Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

He's probably right. If we see a better interior o-line next year we'll be able to know it for sure.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Has Carl Nicks retired/ or with another team? Would it be worth it to try to re-sign him?

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

If you watch with an honest eye, he's throwing more ducks and his downfield accuracy is no where near what it was three years ago...

His experience has been able to offset his decline to this point...

Also, teams no longer game plan for him to pull the ball down and take off as he's reluctant to do so...

The team's resultant record is a direct correlation to two thing concerning Brees:

One, his contract made it somewhat prohibitive to re-sign Nicks (team should have gone all in then, if they were going to keep Brees at 20mil+, then they should have kept his protection intact as well) and other quality free agents on the offensive line...

Two, teams now stack the upper two thirds of the field now as they are not as threatened of the deep ball when the Saints could easily stretch the field making them so dangerous, as Brees no longer converts deep throws at the rate he used to, you've got congestion on the mid and shorter routes, bumping the receivers off their spots, slowing down the Saints once high-octane offense...

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

The few times they utilized Cooks deep and Brees actually hit him in stride were encouraging

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Drew goes on streaks every year.
Drew never had a cannon for an arm
When Drew gets hot he gets hotter than almost any QB in the NFL.

decline of the OL has not helped. for years now the saints have been playing it too cute with OL and it shows. That is the biggest issue we have, only once in a blue moon do you pro bowl caliber late in the draft. this trying to pull wabbits out of hat year after year has landed us more turds than furs.

Nicks bit is kinda funny. Nicks just started to have issues with being healthy just before his contract came up to be redone. we let him walk.

2011 - was his last 16 game season
2012 - 7
2013 - 2

I say the saints saw the writing on the wall with this move. two thumbs up to the training staff.

Solution stop out thinking yourself. spend the picks now before the OL is ready to be retired and full of bums

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

That MRSA virus that went round the Tampa locker room killed Nicks career.
Having a ongoing injury then contracting that virus must have been a nightmare. The league was a disgrace the way the dealt with that, that virus is as bad as any head injury and it pretty much cost Nicks and Tynes careers,they tried screwing Tynes too by placing him on a non football injury list,they didn't place Nicks on IR either as it would have admitted liability.


Mike Garafolo ✔
Re: Nicks, $6m of his $7m due in '14 was gtd for injury. But remember, he was never IR'd last year. That would've been admitting liability.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Opinion: Yes he has.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Fixing the line fixes Drew.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Accuracy aside, still under throws too many deep balls.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Here's just the records he set in 2014... Yep; he's done :rolleyes: Give the man a decent interior O-Line, will ya?!

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Nobody argues that. However, the question is, is this the result of having the pocket pushed back in his face. I think it is. Brees is a rhythm QB, he needs to have all his fundamentals working to throw it well. When you can't step up in the pocket, set your feet and follow through on your throwing motion you're going to start throwing ducks and missing your target. You can go out in your backyard with a tennis ball and try it yourself.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

And catapults our putrid top 5 offense into the top 2 or 3.:p

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

The weird thing is the line got bad really fast. Evans and Grubbs are both getting older, but they're not that old. We should be open to the idea that this was just a one-off bad year and they'll be fine next season. No way to know for sure right now.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Agreed sort of, it got mediocre real fast, but not bad. They were still a top 10 O-line. But our 6'-0 Brees needs interior excellence more than most taller QB's. Grubbs and Evans became average, and Drew can't step up in the pocket like he used to.

With Brees, I prefer top talent at OG and OC over OT.

Stud interior with decent OT's is his recipe for success.

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We need to bolster and draft O Line. Perhaps taking a&ms left tackle and moving Armstead being how freakishly athletic he is. He'd make a hell of a center , guard or anything else.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

Armstead is a pure LT. Anything else is square peg and round hole.

Re: Opinion: Brees hasn’t changed as much as many think
 

I agree. A stud at C with studs at OG is exactly right. I'm not sold on Lelito a stud C, he might look better with 2 stud G on each side of him.