Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney
 

Those are the two players I have my eye on for us in the upcoming draft. Fowler is a straight up, edge rusher. McKinney is an ILB with defensive back speed, a sure tackler, can cover in space, and a true leader.

If I has to choose, I want Mckinney.

Who are y'all hoping we target?

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McKinney at 6'5 has the size, has a massive wing span to bat those balls down across the middle...

But not to worry; Payton won't draft a LB until we get a great "upside" project in the 4th or 5th... :rofl:

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He's a ridiculous athlete.

Let's say McKinney and Shaq Thompson are there at the same time, who you taking?

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That's easy; Bernardrick McKinney

He's got the size advantage

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Yeah I like McKinley too. But is he going in the first or second? I'd like to get Collins and him.

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Here is an excerpt of what Mel Kiper recently said of McKinney ...

The 6-foot-5, 245-pound McKinney is huge, athletic, and doesn't mind doing the dirty work in the trenches, though he isn't elite in space or in pass coverage. Wed, Dec 17, 2014 08:02:00 PM
Source: ESPN Insider

I would choose McKinney of the two but my question is with the current cast of coaches, can we develop this kid to his full potential?

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They'd have a lot better chance with this kid, than trying to develop a mid to late round "project" like Powell or Fortt...

We have no idea, when's the last time we drafted an early round LB?

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MicKinley played in the SEC and helped MSU's defense hold the higher teams to lesser points than they usually score. Teams in the SEC that play like that are going to adjust quickly in the NFL. He is not a project or else he would not have made MSU a top defense.

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Martez. But, in the 3rd in 2011.

And the pick should've been ROT Jah Reid (now starting for the Ravens) because Tez was released in 2013 to protect an undrafted QB from the Practice Squad.

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I consider 3rd a mid round pick...

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We need an ILB'er more than anything else on defense........give me McKinney! :bng:

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Watched Fowler yesterday in the Gator's bowl game against Pirates and while he had three sacks, I also saw he took alot of plays off...

We already have Junior Galette, so I'd like to review McKinney more...

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Lol. He is extremely Junior-eque.

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Was Martez in the SEC?

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no; Illinois...

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at 13? neither.

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McKinney. End of Discussion. I swear, if we blow this...

Although, we can trade back and get him later in the 1st round. Depends on his Combine numbers, too.

If McKinney kills it at the Combine, 13th may be the perfect spot. His body of work at My Dirt Farmer Cow College it pretty good.

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we need oline help, we need a new guard. I don't think he'll e there but if that big boy from iowa is there it should be a no brainer

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Walterfootball.com has McKinney going to the Texans in the 2nd Round...behind us. Hmmmm....

Wouldn't that be something if we got us a talented BIG UGLY in the 1st Round in the middle then got us a McKinney at MLB in the 2nd Round?

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McKinney going to the Texans in the 2nd Round? hell yeah you make the pick

the more i watch him the more i came away question him as top 20 talent. sure i see the hype and i got caught up in at early on but since that time i just do not see game changer impact plays out of him.

not to say passing on the hype is something many teams would regret down the road would be silly of me also.

Flowers i never understood myself. like JP said dude takes mini vacation and goes missing for long stretches in a game. yet another media sack happy media darling that appears to be a one trick pony in the pros

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I was just about to post this. While he did make plays, man he took quit a few plays off.

1. Shaq Thompson
2. Bernaderick McKinney
3. Vic Beasley
4. Trea Waynes

Assuming Shane Ray and Leonard Williams are gone. Anyone of these ill be happy.

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I can not shake Trea Waynes as the pick to make the most impact on the defense in year one, i like the way he plays. i watch a lot of big ten and for two years in row this guy just is steady as a rock. does not use his hands to cover either, IMO that is huge with all the rule changes. best feet in the draft.

next is Kevin Johnson out wake forest. another CB that knows how to cover with out his hands

After Trea Waynes i have to go OT as the best picks on the board that are proven commodities IMO.

all the others make me a bit nervous. one year wonders and/or injury history. I hear the word foot with a WR and i always pause.

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I still am not understanding all the love for a OLB to rush, we need help in the middle our OLB are good enough although JR needs to get better at setting the edge. A NT and ILB are needed way more than 1 trick pony's.I would take McKinny over the other guy but he isn't my first choice at ILB not saying if we drafted him that I would hate it but Miami has a stud ILB just sitting there getting no love at all.

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Hey Halloween, I agree with you completely however the OP asked which player you would rather take. I too think the Perryman from UM (Univ of Miami) will become a better pro and is actually better than McKinney in pass coverage at this stage of their respected careers. In some scouting reports, Perryman is rated top LB in the country.

I'm definitely not sleeping on Denzel Perryman from the U.

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What we'd like about McKinney is that the man was a 3-star QB out of high school with 1 offer (My Cow College).

In other words, he was passed over coming out of high school but ended up being a 2nd Team All-SEC Linebacker and a projected 2nd Round NFL Draft Pick...you would think Coach Payton likes players that worked hard in college to get where he's at and with chips on their shoulders. If he stayed for his senior year, he'd be an All-American 2015...Saints need to catch him early. If y'all can't tell, I'm a bit biased.

He worked his tail off to learn how to play ILB & sculpt that body but still maintain the speed & power. Great work ethic...sign him up. Extra bonus if we can get him in the 2nd.

While we're at it at LB'er, let's grab Bama ILB'er Trey DePriest in the later rounds...smart & fundamentally sound player though not the fastest, but I like him. If Bama's Ragland declares for the draft, we gotta get him in the middle rounds...no question. Load'em up on that Front 7 and get after Scam Newton & their RB's if we're serious about getting this division back.

I ain't joking, because our middle linebackers were small, slow & were exposed all year. They were the joke of this 2014 defense...all except Lofton, that is.

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McKinney could very easily make a lot of people look foolish passing on him i agree,

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I watched Ragland as careful as I could , I feel he needs to stay in school for another year, he was exposed a little to much for my liking during the Ohio State game not saying he's bad but another year at Bama would do him well just a little to raw.

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Oh, forgot...McKinney was a Freshman All-American LB'er. Been at it for 3 years. Not a "Project Pick"...Battle-Tested.

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Jut because someone did not work out from the big 12 does not mean thats the case withe the SEC. The SEC isn't winning the title this year but the conference still gets the recruits and provides NFL level talent that when someone plays well against them it should stand out.

I mean Vacarro is not bad but he is not a game changer and that should be because looking back that was a weak draft class and Texas guys just don't translate well in the pros. No I would not pass on McKinnley. Not at all.

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OSU has a HC that won two titles in the SEC and beat Saban in his first championship caliber season back in college. There is appearing to be a difference in work ethic and all with OSU that was not there when Tressell was there.

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We will have to see who is left at the 13th pick.

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Can we develop anyone defensively to their full potential? I mean lofton & hawthorne are perfect examples of good young defensive players who havent quite reached what they probably could've. Loftons good but he was better in atlanta because he could actually cover then, same with hawthorne...now it looks kenny vaccaro isn't going to live up to his potential as well. It just seems like a common theme for our team...something needs to be changed.

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Earl thomas went to texas....

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Fowler could be the extra pass rusher we need. We just need a stud OLB ILB or DT in this draft. 2/3 and we're golden. We better have a hell of a draft.

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Exactly ... so did Brian Orakpo, Jamaal Charles, Alex Okafor, Derrick Johnson etc. Pretty weak argument if you ask me.

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I've read conflicting reports in McKinney. 13 seems to high for me for him id rather take eithee a top notch pass rusher or OT/G like Collins. Take Perryman in 2 or Kendricks in R3 instead

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:bng:

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Vaccarro? Three of those guys were drafted before 2009 just before the SEC starting hogging all the recruits. LSU and Alabama were at the top of recruiting classes every year.

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I wouldn't mind either Fowler or McKinney, but I don't think Fowler will be there. Other few options I'm interested in are La'el Collins, Brandon Scherff, and Melvin Gordon... though I'd would trade back if I was considering Gordon.

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I will be angry is we take a RB at 13 or even in the first round to be honest.