$20 Million over the Cap in 2015. What would you do?

Tobias-Reiper · 01-06-2015, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Don't think Galette will be gone,that 12ml roster bonus is fully guaranteed

NFL Breaking down Galette's contract - ESPN

It's a roster bonus. It is only "fully guaranteed" if he is on the roster.

blackangold · 01-06-2015, 09:56 AM

Restructure Brees: save 15 mil
Restructure Gallete: save 10 mil

Done your 5 mil under the cap and can still make other moves to get more FA signings... that was easy.

Stop worrying about the CAP.

vtiger72 · 01-06-2015, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

It's a roster bonus. It is only "fully guaranteed" if he is on the roster.

It's a fully guaranteed roster bonus, which only specifies when it is paid. It being written as a roster bonus just means he gets it paid on March 12 rather than paid as salary over the season.

It's a fully guranteed roster bonus. Now, if it wasn't guaranteed, you would be right and it would be paid only if he is on the roster. But writing the guaranteed money as a roster bonus only changes the way it is paid and accounted for.

voodooido · 01-06-2015, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jonboy

The numbers on the left indicates the cap savings (gain) if we release the player after June 1, 2015. The numbers on the right indicates the dead money cap hit (loss) to release the player.

Listed here are players who may be considered for contract reconstruction or possibly cut to save cap room. Something has to be done. What would you do here? If you make a cut, who would replace that player?

Jarhi Evans +$7,500,000 -$3,500,000
Ben Grubs +$6,600,000 -$3,000,000
Marques Colston +$7,000,000 -$3,000,000
Brodrick Bunkley +$4,500,000 -$1,612,000
David Hawthrone +$4,500,000 -$1,510,000
Pierrie Thomas +$2,150,000 -$415,000
Ben Watson +$1,500,000 -$400,000

Here are some players that could consider a contract reconstruction, but most people would be in favor of them not getting cut.

Drew Brews $26,400,000 (Cap Hit for 2015)
Curtis Lofton $9,000,000 (Cap Hit for 2015)

Would you resign any of our key free agents? Mark Ingram, Patrick Robinson?

Are there any players you would consider trading? Jimmy Graham, Jairus Byrd, Kenny Vaccaro?

Colston's hit is more like 9 million, Grubbs is 8 and Evans is 9 million. They will not be cut. They will not save enough. Colston will probably cut his pay to 4 million a year. Grubbs 6 and Evans 6. That would save them about 10 million. Add Brees fixing that mess of a contract and we will be fine.

hagan714 · 01-07-2015, 07:53 AM

Colston Grubbs and Evens in 2016 are huge cap causality targets and they know it

cut bait before 2016 in savings

Evens around 8 mill
Grubbs around 7 mill
Colston about 7 mill

if i remember correctly.

so redoing their contracts would behoove them all because odds are they will never see that year of the contract. Which they already knew.

that is why i say address OL now in the draft early. you have some serious depth for players with that RT/OG ability. top of the draft we have not seen two in years. shame to miss out on youth with solid low risk high reward players.

you save more redoing those contracts this year than cutting

same goes for Curtis Lofton but his cut bait date 2017. but i am expecting him to redo that contract also.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-07-2015, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

It's a fully guaranteed roster bonus, which only specifies when it is paid. It being written as a roster bonus just means he gets it paid on March 12 rather than paid as salary over the season.

It's a fully guranteed roster bonus. Now, if it wasn't guaranteed, you would be right and it would be paid only if he is on the roster. But writing the guaranteed money as a roster bonus only changes the way it is paid and accounted for.

Then it is not a roster bonus?

A roster bonus is a bonus that a player gets because he's on the roster on a specific date. Every offseason you hear of players who get cut - i.e., they are removed from the roster - before roster bonuses are due because teams don't want to pay roster bonuses.

01-06-2015, 09:52 AM	#21
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: $20 Million over the Cap in 2015. What would you do? Originally Posted by lee909 Don't think Galette will be gone,that 12ml roster bonus is fully guaranteed NFL Breaking down Galette's contract - ESPN It's a roster bonus. It is only "fully guaranteed" if he is on the roster.

01-06-2015, 09:56 AM	#22
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: $20 Million over the Cap in 2015. What would you do? Restructure Brees: save 15 mil Restructure Gallete: save 10 mil Done your 5 mil under the cap and can still make other moves to get more FA signings... that was easy. Stop worrying about the CAP. hagan714 likes this.

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vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: $20 Million over the Cap in 2015. What would you do? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper It's a roster bonus. It is only "fully guaranteed" if he is on the roster. It's a fully guaranteed roster bonus, which only specifies when it is paid. It being written as a roster bonus just means he gets it paid on March 12 rather than paid as salary over the season. It's a fully guranteed roster bonus. Now, if it wasn't guaranteed, you would be right and it would be paid only if he is on the roster. But writing the guaranteed money as a roster bonus only changes the way it is paid and accounted for.
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01-06-2015, 10:19 PM	#24
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: $20 Million over the Cap in 2015. What would you do? Originally Posted by Jonboy The numbers on the left indicates the cap savings (gain) if we release the player after June 1, 2015. The numbers on the right indicates the dead money cap hit (loss) to release the player. Listed here are players who may be considered for contract reconstruction or possibly cut to save cap room. Something has to be done. What would you do here? If you make a cut, who would replace that player? Jarhi Evans +$7,500,000 -$3,500,000 Ben Grubs +$6,600,000 -$3,000,000 Marques Colston +$7,000,000 -$3,000,000 Brodrick Bunkley +$4,500,000 -$1,612,000 David Hawthrone +$4,500,000 -$1,510,000 Pierrie Thomas +$2,150,000 -$415,000 Ben Watson +$1,500,000 -$400,000 Here are some players that could consider a contract reconstruction, but most people would be in favor of them not getting cut. Drew Brews $26,400,000 (Cap Hit for 2015) Curtis Lofton $9,000,000 (Cap Hit for 2015) Would you resign any of our key free agents? Mark Ingram, Patrick Robinson? Are there any players you would consider trading? Jimmy Graham, Jairus Byrd, Kenny Vaccaro? Colston's hit is more like 9 million, Grubbs is 8 and Evans is 9 million. They will not be cut. They will not save enough. Colston will probably cut his pay to 4 million a year. Grubbs 6 and Evans 6. That would save them about 10 million. Add Brees fixing that mess of a contract and we will be fine. hagan714 likes this.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: $20 Million over the Cap in 2015. What would you do? Colston Grubbs and Evens in 2016 are huge cap causality targets and they know it cut bait before 2016 in savings Evens around 8 mill Grubbs around 7 mill Colston about 7 mill if i remember correctly. so redoing their contracts would behoove them all because odds are they will never see that year of the contract. Which they already knew. that is why i say address OL now in the draft early. you have some serious depth for players with that RT/OG ability. top of the draft we have not seen two in years. shame to miss out on youth with solid low risk high reward players. you save more redoing those contracts this year than cutting same goes for Curtis Lofton but his cut bait date 2017. but i am expecting him to redo that contract also. voodooido likes this.
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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: $20 Million over the Cap in 2015. What would you do? Originally Posted by vtiger72 It's a fully guaranteed roster bonus, which only specifies when it is paid. It being written as a roster bonus just means he gets it paid on March 12 rather than paid as salary over the season. It's a fully guranteed roster bonus. Now, if it wasn't guaranteed, you would be right and it would be paid only if he is on the roster. But writing the guaranteed money as a roster bonus only changes the way it is paid and accounted for. Then it is not a roster bonus? A roster bonus is a bonus that a player gets because he's on the roster on a specific date. Every offseason you hear of players who get cut - i.e., they are removed from the roster - before roster bonuses are due because teams don't want to pay roster bonuses.

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