Ryan Pace

Jack Vegas · 01-06-2015, 01:16 PM

Disagree vehemently with the OP. In the past three drafts we've taken Hicks, White, Vaccaro, Jenkins, Rufus Johnson, SJB, Fortt, Powell, Sunseri as defensive players. We don't know much about the guys from this year except Sunseri and Powell are good special teamers with potential to be role players on the D.

But 4 out of 5 picks from the previous two years have been regular contributors. Two regulars from each draft.

This scouting dept also got steals in Armstead, Stills on offense and it appears Toon is ready to step into a bigger role too. And that's without having a lot of picks available. nevermind all the UDFA's like Foster, Robinson, Josh Hill, Walker, etc. who appear to be pretty solid role players.

These overreaction threads are getting ridiculous. We could very possibly go 10-6 or better next year and then you'll be all like "our scouting dept rules!"

SaintsBro · 01-06-2015, 01:49 PM

I think the weakness is not so much the people doing the picking, as it is maybe the philosophy.

Just in general, as a philosophy, we have soooo many of these projects, reaches, stretches, long shot picks and riverboat gambling type draft picks and free agent acquisitions on our team these days. And in the beginning, it worked really really well, with guys like Colston, Nicks, PT, etc. But now, they keep on reaching, and groping ever further, and signing these weird, obscure guys, small school unknowns, minor school programs, or guys like Gallette who come to the team with obvious baggage and red flags.

Look around the defense: you have all these minor, journeyman, barely-NFL-caliber guys from no-name schools sprinkled around in this defense...and everyone is saying they lack leadership and they can't figure out the schemes and learn the system or whatever the excuses are. Well, anybody wonder why? You don't learn that stuff or how to be a locker room leader, at the City University of Saskatoon or John Jay Haircutting College or if you only played one football season as a senior, and majored in curling or badminton in college instead of football.

I feel like they need to veer back to the center, and balance the reaches and the stretches and project players with more solid, well-coached guys from BIG TIME college football programs and reliable, solid VETERAN free agents from other teams, who know how to lead the locker room or fire the team up on the field -- like the Jon Vilma, or Jeremy Schockey type guys used to have that leadership role on the team.

Jack Vegas · 01-06-2015, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I feel like they need to veer back to the center, and balance the reaches and the stretches and project players with more solid, well-coached guys from BIG TIME college football programs and reliable, solid VETERAN free agents from other teams, who know how to lead the locker room or fire the team up on the field -- like the Jon Vilma, or Jeremy Schockey type guys used to have that leadership role on the team.

This year we drafted players from Nebraska, Alabama, Oregon St., Florida and Kansas. Last year we drafted players from Texas, Oklahoma and Georgia. In 2012 we took players from Nebraska, Syracuse and Wisconsin.

The only small school players we've drafted in the last three drafts were Corey White, Terron Armstead, Akiem Hicks and Rufus Johnson. Three of those are regular contributors, two of them have performed at a very high level.

Danno · 01-06-2015, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I think the weakness is not so much the people doing the picking, as it is maybe the philosophy.

Just in general, as a philosophy, we have soooo many of these projects, reaches, stretches, long shot picks and riverboat gambling type draft picks and free agent acquisitions on our team these days. And in the beginning, it worked really really well, with guys like Colston, Nicks, PT, etc. But now, they keep on reaching, and groping ever further, and signing these weird, obscure guys, small school unknowns, minor school programs, or guys like Gallette who come to the team with obvious baggage and red flags.

Look around the defense: you have all these minor, journeyman, barely-NFL-caliber guys from no-name schools sprinkled around in this defense...and everyone is saying they lack leadership and they can't figure out the schemes and learn the system or whatever the excuses are. Well, anybody wonder why? You don't learn that stuff or how to be a locker room leader, at the City University of Saskatoon or John Jay Haircutting College or if you only played one football season as a senior, and majored in curling or badminton in college instead of football.

I feel like they need to veer back to the center, and balance the reaches and the stretches and project players with more solid, well-coached guys from BIG TIME college football programs and reliable, solid VETERAN free agents from other teams, who know how to lead the locker room or fire the team up on the field -- like the Jon Vilma, or Jeremy Schockey type guys used to have that leadership role on the team.

I'd agree with that. It seems like they're trying to get too cute with some of the non-mainstream selections.

Also, I'd like to see us settle on a base scheme, and pick players that fit that scheme.

No more 4-3 types if we're running mostly 3-4 and vise-versa. Round peg, meet round hole!

And how about a LB in the first three freakin rounds of the draft?
And how about a OL in the first three freakin rounds of the draft?
And how about picking some players who don't need 3 freakin years to develop?
And how about we not pick a RB in the first three freakin rounds of the draft?
And if we're gonna play man coverage, how about picking a CB who plays freakin man coverage?
And how about less clothes on the freakin Saintsations too?

Rugby Saint II · 01-06-2015, 07:30 PM

Less clothes for the Saintsaitions................I like it!

01-06-2015, 01:16 PM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Ryan Pace Disagree vehemently with the OP. In the past three drafts we've taken Hicks, White, Vaccaro, Jenkins, Rufus Johnson, SJB, Fortt, Powell, Sunseri as defensive players. We don't know much about the guys from this year except Sunseri and Powell are good special teamers with potential to be role players on the D. But 4 out of 5 picks from the previous two years have been regular contributors. Two regulars from each draft. This scouting dept also got steals in Armstead, Stills on offense and it appears Toon is ready to step into a bigger role too. And that's without having a lot of picks available. nevermind all the UDFA's like Foster, Robinson, Josh Hill, Walker, etc. who appear to be pretty solid role players. These overreaction threads are getting ridiculous. We could very possibly go 10-6 or better next year and then you'll be all like "our scouting dept rules!"
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01-06-2015, 01:49 PM	#2
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ryan Pace I think the weakness is not so much the people doing the picking, as it is maybe the philosophy. Just in general, as a philosophy, we have soooo many of these projects, reaches, stretches, long shot picks and riverboat gambling type draft picks and free agent acquisitions on our team these days. And in the beginning, it worked really really well, with guys like Colston, Nicks, PT, etc. But now, they keep on reaching, and groping ever further, and signing these weird, obscure guys, small school unknowns, minor school programs, or guys like Gallette who come to the team with obvious baggage and red flags. Look around the defense: you have all these minor, journeyman, barely-NFL-caliber guys from no-name schools sprinkled around in this defense...and everyone is saying they lack leadership and they can't figure out the schemes and learn the system or whatever the excuses are. Well, anybody wonder why? You don't learn that stuff or how to be a locker room leader, at the City University of Saskatoon or John Jay Haircutting College or if you only played one football season as a senior, and majored in curling or badminton in college instead of football. I feel like they need to veer back to the center, and balance the reaches and the stretches and project players with more solid, well-coached guys from BIG TIME college football programs and reliable, solid VETERAN free agents from other teams, who know how to lead the locker room or fire the team up on the field -- like the Jon Vilma, or Jeremy Schockey type guys used to have that leadership role on the team. ScottF likes this.
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01-06-2015, 01:59 PM	#3
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Ryan Pace Originally Posted by SaintsBro I feel like they need to veer back to the center, and balance the reaches and the stretches and project players with more solid, well-coached guys from BIG TIME college football programs and reliable, solid VETERAN free agents from other teams, who know how to lead the locker room or fire the team up on the field -- like the Jon Vilma, or Jeremy Schockey type guys used to have that leadership role on the team. This year we drafted players from Nebraska, Alabama, Oregon St., Florida and Kansas. Last year we drafted players from Texas, Oklahoma and Georgia. In 2012 we took players from Nebraska, Syracuse and Wisconsin. The only small school players we've drafted in the last three drafts were Corey White, Terron Armstead, Akiem Hicks and Rufus Johnson. Three of those are regular contributors, two of them have performed at a very high level.
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01-06-2015, 02:03 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Ryan Pace Originally Posted by SaintsBro I think the weakness is not so much the people doing the picking, as it is maybe the philosophy. Just in general, as a philosophy, we have soooo many of these projects, reaches, stretches, long shot picks and riverboat gambling type draft picks and free agent acquisitions on our team these days. And in the beginning, it worked really really well, with guys like Colston, Nicks, PT, etc. But now, they keep on reaching, and groping ever further, and signing these weird, obscure guys, small school unknowns, minor school programs, or guys like Gallette who come to the team with obvious baggage and red flags. Look around the defense: you have all these minor, journeyman, barely-NFL-caliber guys from no-name schools sprinkled around in this defense...and everyone is saying they lack leadership and they can't figure out the schemes and learn the system or whatever the excuses are. Well, anybody wonder why? You don't learn that stuff or how to be a locker room leader, at the City University of Saskatoon or John Jay Haircutting College or if you only played one football season as a senior, and majored in curling or badminton in college instead of football. I feel like they need to veer back to the center, and balance the reaches and the stretches and project players with more solid, well-coached guys from BIG TIME college football programs and reliable, solid VETERAN free agents from other teams, who know how to lead the locker room or fire the team up on the field -- like the Jon Vilma, or Jeremy Schockey type guys used to have that leadership role on the team. I'd agree with that. It seems like they're trying to get too cute with some of the non-mainstream selections. Also, I'd like to see us settle on a base scheme, and pick players that fit that scheme. No more 4-3 types if we're running mostly 3-4 and vise-versa. Round peg, meet round hole! And how about a LB in the first three freakin rounds of the draft? And how about a OL in the first three freakin rounds of the draft? And how about picking some players who don't need 3 freakin years to develop? And how about we not pick a RB in the first three freakin rounds of the draft? And if we're gonna play man coverage, how about picking a CB who plays freakin man coverage? And how about less clothes on the freakin Saintsations too? Rugby Saint II, blackangold and halloween 65 like this.

01-06-2015, 07:30 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Ryan Pace Less clothes for the Saintsaitions................I like it! halloween 65 likes this.

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