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RaginCajun83 01-08-2015 02:10 PM

Bears name Ryan Pace new GM
 
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@AdamSchefter: Bears named Ryan Pace their GM.

Chicago Bears hire Ryan Pace as general manager - ESPN Chicago

blackangold 01-08-2015 02:21 PM

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Good for him!

And good for us too, we need some new blood in the scouting department.

CharityMike 01-08-2015 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 636822)
Good for him!

And good for us too, we need some new blood in the scouting department.

Agreed!

VegasSaint9 01-08-2015 03:31 PM

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I honestly don't know his true role for us, but if he was in charge of scouting he's responsible for a lot of busts, but also maybe responsible for the small school finds like colston, strief, and evans. If we get better at drafting due to different scouting info this could end up being a good thing.

hagan714 01-08-2015 03:46 PM

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well next? maybe SP should take the job

Jack Vegas 01-08-2015 03:46 PM

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I am sure some will be thrilled, but I'm not sure this is a good thing. Without knowing the exact structure of the scouting department, I would say that all those low-round picks and UDFA's that we consistently find are probably in large part because of Pace. Anybody can scout the top 2 rounds.

B_Dub_Saint 01-08-2015 04:40 PM

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So who's out there to replace him?

VegasSaint9 01-08-2015 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636832)
I am sure some will be thrilled, but I'm not sure this is a good thing. Without knowing the exact structure of the scouting department, I would say that all those low-round picks and UDFA's that we consistently find are probably in large part because of Pace. Anybody can scout the top 2 rounds.

Exactly, i feel since he was so highly praised he found our small school guys for us. But could also be responsible for some busts we've had as well. This makes me believe that Mickey was more of a numbers guy than the guy who finds most of the talent and decides who comes to Nola

blackangold 01-08-2015 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636832)
I am sure some will be thrilled, but I'm not sure this is a good thing. Without knowing the exact structure of the scouting department, I would say that all those low-round picks and UDFA's that we consistently find are probably in large part because of Pace. Anybody can scout the top 2 rounds.

What proven UDFAs are great that still play for us outside PT?

Jack Vegas 01-08-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 636845)
What proven UDFAs are great that still play for us outside PT?

Khiry Robinson, Glenn Foster, Tyrunn Walker. Edebali, Pierre Warren, Lelito, Griffin, Josh Hill, Travaris Cadet just in the last 2 years. All contributors. I'm sure you will say they are not "great" but most of them have plenty of potential with more playing time and/or have already been solid contributors one way or another. Probably more that I haven't thought about. Point is you need those picks and signings to work out so you can fill out the roster with solid players who don't cost much. I'd say the Saints have done maybe a better job than any team in the league except maybe the Patriots with that.

dizzle88 01-08-2015 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636846)
Khiry Robinson, Glenn Foster, Tyrunn Walker. Edebali, Pierre Warren, Lelito, Griffin, Josh Hill, Travaris Cadet just in the last 2 years. All contributors. I'm sure you will say they are not "great" but most of them have plenty of potential with more playing time and/or have already been solid contributors one way or another. Probably more that I haven't thought about. Point is you need those picks and signings to work out so you can fill out the roster with solid players who don't cost much. I'd say the Saints have done maybe a better job than any team in the league except maybe the Patriots with that.

I'd agree with all of them except Cadet

He is literally useless and a waste of a roster spot in my opinion.

Danno 01-08-2015 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 636848)
I'd agree with all of them except Cadet

He is literally useless and a waste of a roster spot in my opinion.

So basically a 4th string RB who plays every special teams unit, averages nearly 8 yards per catch all while making NFL minimum wage is what you consider useless and a waste of a roster spot?

I'm not seeing that one at all.

Halo 01-08-2015 06:05 PM

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Sounds like his right hand man will be taking over for him. Great to have some fresh blood and eyes doing some different things.

SmashMouth 01-08-2015 06:29 PM

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Saints' 'little secret' out as Ryan Pace becomes NFL's youngest GM: Larry Holder | NOLA.com

SmashMouth 01-08-2015 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636832)
I am sure some will be thrilled, but I'm not sure this is a good thing. Without knowing the exact structure of the scouting department, I would say that all those low-round picks and UDFA's that we consistently find are probably in large part because of Pace. Anybody can scout the top 2 rounds.

Not us, evidently.... please recheck our stellar early round track record in the last few years.:confused:

papz 01-08-2015 06:59 PM

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Good for Pace. All the poaching that's been going on for the past few years are a testament of our well run and respected our organization has been. Now while the results aren't always there... not everyone can be the Patriots.

Rugby Saint II 01-08-2015 07:02 PM

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Out with the old and in with the new.

blackangold 01-08-2015 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636846)
Khiry Robinson, Glenn Foster, Tyrunn Walker. Edebali, Pierre Warren, Lelito, Griffin, Josh Hill, Travaris Cadet just in the last 2 years. All contributors. I'm sure you will say they are not "great" but most of them have plenty of potential with more playing time and/or have already been solid contributors one way or another. Probably more that I haven't thought about. Point is you need those picks and signings to work out so you can fill out the roster with solid players who don't cost much. I'd say the Saints have done maybe a better job than any team in the league except maybe the Patriots with that.

Key word was proven. None of those players are "finds" or "steals" beyond what every other team does.

Also, you missed the best UDFA we have on the team right now. He is the only one that I would consider proven.

blackangold 01-08-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 636850)
So basically a 4th string RB who plays every special teams unit, averages nearly 8 yards per catch all while making NFL minimum wage is what you consider useless and a waste of a roster spot?

I'm not seeing that one at all.

Yes.

I think he is talking about the guy that fumbles every other time he gets the ball.

dizzle88 01-08-2015 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 636850)
So basically a 4th string RB who plays every special teams unit, averages nearly 8 yards per catch all while making NFL minimum wage is what you consider useless and a waste of a roster spot?

I'm not seeing that one at all.

Bairing in mind he makes absolutely zero impact on gameday, yeah I'd say we could use the roster spot better.

Maybe for a DB or LB or an extra O lineman.

Danno 01-08-2015 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 636864)
Yes.

I think he is talking about the guy that fumbles every other time he gets the ball.

I see you know nothing about him either. Care to make some other BS up?

Danno 01-08-2015 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 636865)
Bairing in mind he makes absolutely zero impact on gameday, yeah I'd say we could use the roster spot better.

Maybe for a DB or LB or an extra O lineman.

Try watching the games, it helps

dizzle88 01-08-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 636867)
Try watching the games, it helps

I do watch the games

All I saw was a mediocre return guy that eventually got replaced by Jalen Saunders

But while we're on the subject bear in mind this past season he had 10 carries for 32 yards and 2 lost fumbles, so I wouldn't say he's making BS up at all.

VegasSaint9 01-08-2015 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 636868)
I do watch the games

All I saw was a mediocre return guy that eventually got replaced by Jalen Saunders

But while we're on the subject bear in mind this past season he had 10 carries for 32 yards and 2 lost fumbles, so I wouldn't say he's making BS up at all.

Cadet is beyond expendable. Could be used wisely but i think after the 2010 sean payton always keeps a stable of running backs that HE likes. At least when Cadet gets the ball you know the game is over

blackangold 01-08-2015 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 636866)
I see you know nothing about him either. Care to make some other BS up?

Cadet has touched the ball 56 times on offense and fumbled 3 times, that's 5%, that's awful.

In the pre-season Cadet touched the ball 123 times and fumbled 6 times, that's 4.8%, that's awful.

What else don't I know about him other than he is going to fumble 5% of the time?

Crusader 01-09-2015 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636846)
Khiry Robinson, Glenn Foster, Tyrunn Walker. Edebali, Pierre Warren, Lelito, Griffin, Josh Hill, Travaris Cadet just in the last 2 years. All contributors. I'm sure you will say they are not "great" but most of them have plenty of potential with more playing time and/or have already been solid contributors one way or another. Probably more that I haven't thought about. Point is you need those picks and signings to work out so you can fill out the roster with solid players who don't cost much. I'd say the Saints have done maybe a better job than any team in the league except maybe the Patriots with that.

Foster and Walker are two of my favorites on D-line. Those guys bring it every time they are on the field. Josh Hill is good and has potential to br great.

joker-saint 01-09-2015 07:09 AM

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[QUOTE=blackangold;636822]Good for him!

And good for us too, we need some new blood in the scouting department.[/QUOTEQUOTE

We should start a fan based scouting department. We have plenty of members on here to look deep into colleges that would normally get overlooked. Might he an interesting project just to see who might be uncovered. I read an article by Daniel Kelly, who was a pro scout for the Washington Redskins after being a long time fan of the team that was pretty darn convincing. Fans can make the best scouts, let's prove it!!! Here is the link to his article if anybod is interested. I have also attached a link to test yourselves on scouting lingo just to see where you stand.

Behind the Scenes: What It Takes To Become An NFL Scout - Hogs Haven

Scout's Glossary - NFL.com

Danno 01-09-2015 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 636870)
Cadet has touched the ball 56 times on offense and fumbled 3 times, that's 5%, that's awful.

In the pre-season Cadet touched the ball 123 times and fumbled 6 times, that's 4.8%, that's awful.

What else don't I know about him other than he is going to fumble 5% of the time?

You said he fumbled every other touch. That's 50% not 5%.

Jack Vegas 01-09-2015 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 636864)
Yes.

I think he is talking about the guy that fumbles every other time he gets the ball.

Cadet has touched the ball 108 times in his NFL career, including rushes, receptions, kick and punt returns. He has fumbled 3 times.

Seems every post you make is borderline ridiculous, if not outright ridiculous. I would say Cadet's success rate on the field far outstrips your own on the message board. Maybe you should cut yourself.

|Mitch| 01-09-2015 10:26 AM

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Cadet may seem expendable, until one of our other backs gets injured... Cheap serviceable depth who plays special teams...

dizzle88 01-09-2015 10:31 AM

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He's got more career fumbles (3) than TD's (2)

Jack Vegas 01-09-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 636910)
He's got more career fumbles (3) than TD's (2)

I don't think anybody is here trying to sing Cadet's praises as a great player, but at the very least he's a pretty solid kick returner (26.6 ypa career average) who can fill in at the PT pass-catching role and makes a very small salary. Those are the kinds of guys you need to fill out the bottom of a roster.

blackangold 01-09-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636906)
Cadet has touched the ball 108 times in his NFL career, including rushes, receptions, kick and punt returns. He has fumbled 3 times.

Seems every post you make is borderline ridiculous, if not outright ridiculous. I would say Cadet's success rate on the field far outstrips your own on the message board. Maybe you should cut yourself.

If you can read feel free to look at my reply to Danno.

Cadet fumbles once in every 20 touches. You're looking foolish, and I don't even need to contribute to that.

Also Danno, feel free to look up 'exaggeration'.

|Mitch| 01-09-2015 11:02 AM

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I guess we should sign a back good enough to be a starter for starter money, put him 4th on the depth chart and hope he plays special teams.

Then everyone would be complaining he doesn't get enough carries... :rolleyes:

lee909 01-09-2015 11:05 AM

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There may be a middle ground in this

He is serviceable but easily replaceable
Is he good enough to make the step up the roster and be the third man if Ingram goes?

Not IMO he isnt and if he isnt a better player should be found from the FA/UDFA?late pick backs that will be there.

Jack Vegas 01-09-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 636915)
If you can read feel free to look at my reply to Danno.

Cadet fumbles once in every 20 touches. You're looking foolish, and I don't even need to contribute to that.

Also Danno, feel free to look up 'exaggeration'.

Actually, 108 divided by 3 is 36, by my count. Talk about looking foolish, you can't even do basic math.

Danno 01-09-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 636908)
Cadet may seem expendable, until one of our other backs gets injured... Cheap serviceable depth who plays special teams...


Agreed, but that doesn't mean he can't be upgraded. But we should keep him until we have something better.

blackangold 01-09-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 636919)
Actually, 108 divided by 3 is 36, by my count. Talk about looking foolish, you can't even do basic math.

Your looking at 1 season, while I'm looking at his career and pre-season combination.

Jack Vegas 01-09-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 636921)
Your looking at 1 season, while I'm looking at his career and pre-season combination.

No, I'm looking at all 3 seasons, and preseason doesn't count because preseason is bull**** and everybody knows that. But really, who cares, we're talking about the 45th guy on the roster or something. If you want to go on downing the Saints about anything and everything they do, please do. Just don't be jumping on the bandwagon and saying everything's peachy next year when things are going better.

The overreaction to one bad season on this board would be hilarious, if I had a higher tolerance for complete and total stupidity.

blackangold 01-09-2015 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 636920)
Agreed, but that doesn't mean he can't be upgraded. But we should keep him until we have something better.

I think we have something better in Saunders.

PT should be the guy on 3rd down ... imo.


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