Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line

blackangold · 01-12-2015, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Galette's pass rush numbers were stacked, and they came against reserves...

His best year was the 2013 season and he's done nothing to impress me this past season...

Gallete played well particularly when you consider he had zero help around him. You only game-planned for Gallete because no one else scares you on that line. Yes, 2013 was a good year for him and everyone else on the D, but there was 2 pivotal people we lost which contributed in a major way.

The loss of Tom Johnson and Glenn Foster was huge. Johnson should have been re-signed as he had a great year rushing the passer from the DT spot. In 2013 we had a good push in the middle, and a large part of that was due to these guys playing well and keeping Hicks/Jenkins/Walker fresh.

Danno · 01-12-2015, 12:30 PM

I forgot, add John Jenkins to the list of players who took a step or two backwards this season. He was supposed to be that big body brawler in the middle.

|Mitch| · 01-12-2015, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I forgot, add John Jenkins to the list of players who took a step or two backwards this season. He was supposed to be that big body brawler in the middle.

Wasn't he battling injuries early in the year? I can't remember

Danno · 01-12-2015, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Wasn't he battling injuries early in the year? I can't remember

Yep, tore a pec, and played badly down the stretch. Hopefully we see a much better version next year.

hagan714 · 01-12-2015, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

How about Jordan Phillips of Oklahoma? 6'6" 334 lbs Projected by CBS Sports as a 2nd round pick.

his back still bothers him. i expect he might drop in the draft so a late round risk with short term expectation is acceptable

Dan Williams Cardinals NT 6-2, 327

that is my top FA signing at say $6 million a year

jeanpierre · 01-12-2015, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Gallete played well particularly when you consider he had zero help around him. You only game-planned for Gallete because no one else scares you on that line. Yes, 2013 was a good year for him and everyone else on the D, but there was 2 pivotal people we lost which contributed in a major way.

The loss of Tom Johnson and Glenn Foster was huge. Johnson should have been re-signed as he had a great year rushing the passer from the DT spot. In 2013 we had a good push in the middle, and a large part of that was due to these guys playing well and keeping Hicks/Jenkins/Walker fresh.

Don't know about Tom Johnson, but definitely spot-on that we missed Glenn Foster and his pass rush situations...

Having to shut down Jenkins, Bunkley at the nose was a big part of what happened...

As far as Galette not having help, sorry, I can't buy that as I saw too many one-on-one blocks on him and it seemed he had the same move out of the same stance all year long; no variety whatsoever...

He's done a great job of parlaying his opportunity into where he is, but there's no ****ing way I'd paid him that much in that way...

Want to see us move to a true 3-4 base package with true 3-4 linebackers; we're now in year 3 of this transition and it's taking way too long because of salary cap and poor draft management...

dizzle88 · 01-12-2015, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Don't know about Tom Johnson, but definitely spot-on that we missed Glenn Foster and his pass rush situations...

Tom Johnson had 6.5 sacks this season in a situational role

We were paying him league minimum while he was here and all he did was produce whenever he was in the game

A damn sight better than our current D lineman

blackangold · 01-13-2015, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

As far as Galette not having help, sorry, I can't buy that as I saw too many one-on-one blocks on him and it seemed he had the same move out of the same stance all year long; no variety whatsoever...

He's done a great job of parlaying his opportunity into where he is, but there's no ****ing way I'd paid him that much in that way...

Want to see us move to a true 3-4 base package with true 3-4 linebackers; we're now in year 3 of this transition and it's taking way too long because of salary cap and poor draft management...

Gallete did well with the most QB pressures, more than JJ Watt.

I don't think he should have been compensated the way we was considering he was still under contract for 2 years.

100% agree on the true 3-4... I still don't know what our base package is. The only ones confused by this seem to be our defense.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2015, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I thought Hicks was very disappointing this year. He was a big part of the "no push" in the middle problem, so I dont think he is the solution.

I personally think getting major upgrades at the DT/NT position is the best way to improve the D. Gallete had a good year rushing the passer with the most pressures in the league. Cam couldn't win the 1v1 battles and isn't worth a big contract, even with that said we had zero pressure from the middle, QBs could step up all day and wait for coverage to break down.

Hard to say why, but yes I was disappointed with his overall performance as well.

That doesn't mean he couldn't line up over a center and win one-on-one. Do you recall seeing him absolutely steamroll a few centers this year? I do!

Look, I'm not saying he's our one and only 3 down NT but if we have guys better suited to be DEs than NTs then let's put the big man in there during camp like they did his rookie season and see what he can do.

Danno · 01-13-2015, 09:01 AM

Hicks is a DE, I don't think he's better suited for the NT position.
He can probably play it, but DE is his best spot.

01-12-2015, 12:08 PM	#11
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by jeanpierre Galette's pass rush numbers were stacked, and they came against reserves... His best year was the 2013 season and he's done nothing to impress me this past season... Gallete played well particularly when you consider he had zero help around him. You only game-planned for Gallete because no one else scares you on that line. Yes, 2013 was a good year for him and everyone else on the D, but there was 2 pivotal people we lost which contributed in a major way. The loss of Tom Johnson and Glenn Foster was huge. Johnson should have been re-signed as he had a great year rushing the passer from the DT spot. In 2013 we had a good push in the middle, and a large part of that was due to these guys playing well and keeping Hicks/Jenkins/Walker fresh.

01-12-2015, 12:30 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line I forgot, add John Jenkins to the list of players who took a step or two backwards this season. He was supposed to be that big body brawler in the middle.

01-12-2015, 12:40 PM	#13
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by Danno I forgot, add John Jenkins to the list of players who took a step or two backwards this season. He was supposed to be that big body brawler in the middle. Wasn't he battling injuries early in the year? I can't remember

01-12-2015, 12:52 PM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Wasn't he battling injuries early in the year? I can't remember Yep, tore a pec, and played badly down the stretch. Hopefully we see a much better version next year. \|Mitch\| likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by jcp026 How about Jordan Phillips of Oklahoma? 6'6" 334 lbs Projected by CBS Sports as a 2nd round pick. his back still bothers him. i expect he might drop in the draft so a late round risk with short term expectation is acceptable Dan Williams Cardinals NT 6-2, 327 that is my top FA signing at say $6 million a year

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by blackangold Gallete played well particularly when you consider he had zero help around him. You only game-planned for Gallete because no one else scares you on that line. Yes, 2013 was a good year for him and everyone else on the D, but there was 2 pivotal people we lost which contributed in a major way. The loss of Tom Johnson and Glenn Foster was huge. Johnson should have been re-signed as he had a great year rushing the passer from the DT spot. In 2013 we had a good push in the middle, and a large part of that was due to these guys playing well and keeping Hicks/Jenkins/Walker fresh. Don't know about Tom Johnson, but definitely spot-on that we missed Glenn Foster and his pass rush situations... Having to shut down Jenkins, Bunkley at the nose was a big part of what happened... As far as Galette not having help, sorry, I can't buy that as I saw too many one-on-one blocks on him and it seemed he had the same move out of the same stance all year long; no variety whatsoever... He's done a great job of parlaying his opportunity into where he is, but there's no ****ing way I'd paid him that much in that way... Want to see us move to a true 3-4 base package with true 3-4 linebackers; we're now in year 3 of this transition and it's taking way too long because of salary cap and poor draft management... K Major likes this.
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by jeanpierre Don't know about Tom Johnson, but definitely spot-on that we missed Glenn Foster and his pass rush situations... Tom Johnson had 6.5 sacks this season in a situational role We were paying him league minimum while he was here and all he did was produce whenever he was in the game A damn sight better than our current D lineman

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by jeanpierre As far as Galette not having help, sorry, I can't buy that as I saw too many one-on-one blocks on him and it seemed he had the same move out of the same stance all year long; no variety whatsoever... He's done a great job of parlaying his opportunity into where he is, but there's no ****ing way I'd paid him that much in that way... Want to see us move to a true 3-4 base package with true 3-4 linebackers; we're now in year 3 of this transition and it's taking way too long because of salary cap and poor draft management... Gallete did well with the most QB pressures, more than JJ Watt. I don't think he should have been compensated the way we was considering he was still under contract for 2 years. 100% agree on the true 3-4... I still don't know what our base package is. The only ones confused by this seem to be our defense.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 4: Big-Body Brawler on the D-Line Originally Posted by blackangold I thought Hicks was very disappointing this year. He was a big part of the "no push" in the middle problem, so I dont think he is the solution. I personally think getting major upgrades at the DT/NT position is the best way to improve the D. Gallete had a good year rushing the passer with the most pressures in the league. Cam couldn't win the 1v1 battles and isn't worth a big contract, even with that said we had zero pressure from the middle, QBs could step up all day and wait for coverage to break down. Hard to say why, but yes I was disappointed with his overall performance as well. That doesn't mean he couldn't line up over a center and win one-on-one. Do you recall seeing him absolutely steamroll a few centers this year? I do! Look, I'm not saying he's our one and only 3 down NT but if we have guys better suited to be DEs than NTs then let's put the big man in there during camp like they did his rookie season and see what he can do.

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