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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Rob isn't the problem. The positional coaches are a large part of the problem. I would love to get Vic in here but if he has the same positional coaches I bet we don't improve much. That being said if ...

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Old 01-18-2015, 12:24 PM   #1
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Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?

Rob isn't the problem. The positional coaches are a large part of the problem.

I would love to get Vic in here but if he has the same positional coaches I bet we don't improve much. That being said if we go into next season with the same position coaches on defense Ill expect another 8-8 type performance.

Payton and Mickey said there would be major changes... but what's changed? Every ****ty defensive position coach is still hanging around.
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Rob isn't the problem. The positional coaches are a large part of the problem.

I would love to get Vic in here but if he has the same positional coaches I bet we don't improve much. That being said if we go into next season with the same position coaches on defense Ill expect another 8-8 type performance.

Payton and Mickey said there would be major changes... but what's changed? Every ****ty defensive position coach is still hanging around.
if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year?
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if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year?
Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there.

More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan.

Seems obvious to me...
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Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove...
Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again.
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Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again.
If a defense performs only when people think they suck then that's pretty f**kin pathetic. That right there shows that there's a problem and needs to be fixed. We've had new talent from FA and the draft brought in to help this D every year. Either we have the worst luck in the world when it comes to evaluating talent or we need and upgrade on some coaches on our staff. I find it very hard to believe we suck that bad year after year on drafting defensive talent.
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If a defense performs only when people think they suck then that's pretty f**kin pathetic. That right there shows that there's a problem and needs to be fixed. We've had new talent from FA and the draft brought in to help this D every year. Either we have the worst luck in the world when it comes to evaluating talent or we need and upgrade on some coaches on our staff. I find it very hard to believe we suck that bad year after year on drafting defensive talent.
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Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there.

More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan.

Seems obvious to me...
I don't know man, defense seems more like an attitude than anything. All the teams I watch that are good play with non-stop motors. IDT it is a fundamentals issue as much as an issue of passion. We had it last season, none this season. We did not need Harper for anything. Watched the dude get ran by like his old slow ass was standing still against Seahawks. Greer was a huge loss
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Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?

exactly what I been saying ,no leadership what so ever just a bunch of hee haw yakking like galete. no one wants to put money where there mouth is as they say.we need big time veteran leadership. or any at all.
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