Rob isn't the problem. The positional coaches are a large part of the problem.

I would love to get Vic in here but if he has the same positional coaches I bet we don't improve much. That being said if we go into next season with the same position coaches on defense Ill expect another 8-8 type performance.

Payton and Mickey said there would be major changes... but what's changed? Every ****ty defensive position coach is still hanging around.

if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year?

Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove...

Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again.

If a defense performs only when people think they suck then that's pretty f**kin pathetic. That right there shows that there's a problem and needs to be fixed. We've had new talent from FA and the draft brought in to help this D every year. Either we have the worst luck in the world when it comes to evaluating talent or we need and upgrade on some coaches on our staff. I find it very hard to believe we suck that bad year after year on drafting defensive talent.

Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there.

More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan.

Seems obvious to me...