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hagan714 01-21-2015 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 638128)
The second solves the first.

Not having a quality starting CB killed us from day one. That and injuries.


I agree. a solid #2 CB is out there in FA and the draft. no need to make it a top FA signing or a first round pick this year was more of my point.

same goes for the defense in the draft. no need to spend a bulk of picks on defense. get drew settled first.

keep the defense off the field and when they are on at least it would not be so easy score if you have 2 CB that can handle man coverage.

CharityMike 01-21-2015 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 638120)
Priority 1: a pocket for Drew to sit back in have a lunch and survey the field with out anyone getting a hand on him.

after that go defense all you want

defense is not going to win us anything! make it serviceable and let Drew do the rest

Disagree, offense wins games, defense wins championships.
The days of our offense dominating everyone is in the past. Our offense is good enough for us to get us where we want to go but if we dont get this defense better, we are gonna keep watching the post season from the couch.

halloween 65 01-21-2015 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 638138)
Disagree, offense wins games, defense wins championships.
The days of our offense dominating everyone is in the past. Our offense is good enough for us to get us where we want to go but if we dont get this defense better, we are gonna keep watching the post season from the couch.

I agree D wins championships, I always will believe that. I also agree that our O (with a player or 2 I will add ) is good enough. We could even become a managed O and score enough with Brees to do lots of damage(possible ground and pound) to make a serios run.

brees84 01-21-2015 11:38 AM

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Dick LeBeau will become Cardinals LB coach. Damn...

brees84 01-21-2015 11:46 AM

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Ireland hire is now official. Mickey said it was his decision.

Tobias-Reiper 01-21-2015 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 637986)
Jeff Ireland was one of the worst GM's in the league... I get that he has ties to Sean Payton but that's a tough hire to feel good about.

Oh! Is he going to be the new Saints GM?

dizzle88 01-21-2015 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 638200)
Oh! Is he going to be the new Saints GM?

Loomis is at least making moves, why are people complaining that he's trying to fix the glaring weaknesses on our team?

Whilst Ireland's draft record with the dolphins was kind of hit and miss, its still miles better than ours!

ChrisXVI 01-21-2015 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 638200)
Oh! Is he going to be the new Saints GM?

I don't trust his judgement. That's just me.

saintsfan1976 01-21-2015 05:26 PM

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We wanted change. We got it.

I'm guessing Payton and Loomis understand what changes were needed better than us.

nola_swammi 01-21-2015 06:30 PM

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I am ok with Dennis Allen coming back but I am disappointed that loomis hired that racist ***** Jeff Ireland to help scout

WillSaints81 01-21-2015 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 638152)
I agree D wins championships, I always will believe that. I also agree that our O (with a player or 2 I will add ) is good enough. We could even become a managed O and score enough with Brees to do lots of damage(possible ground and pound) to make a serios run.



If we go run first we will need a strong RB. I just don't know if Ingram is staying and if he doesn't we should franchise tag him and trade him for some extra picks to be able to get a good RB. Our oline is not good enough though and that needs help.

WillSaints81 01-21-2015 09:02 PM

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I'm really concerned about Ireland. Is his track record of drafts really better than ours?

First round picks last year(Seattle vs.us)
No pick vs.Brandin Cooks-Cooks
Paul Richardson and Justin Britt vs.SJB-Paul Richardson and Britt as of now.
Kassius Marsh, Kevin Norwood, Kevin Pierre-Louis vs.Fortt-Fortt is no longer on our team but those guys have not shown anything yet either.
Jimmy Staten, Garrett Stott vs.that Bama guy we drafted(?)...obviously the Bama guy so far.
Eric Pinkins vs.No pick-Pinkins
Kierro Small vs.whoever we drafted with 7th round pick-no clue



Now for Miami vs.us in 2013
Dion Jordan vs.Kenny Vacarro-Vacarro
Jamar Taylor vs.no pick-Taylor
Dallas Thomas vs.Terron Armstead-Armstead
Will Davis vs.John Jenkins-Jenkins
Jelani Jenkins vs.Kenny Stills-Draw
Dion Sims vs.Kenny Stills-Stills
Mike Gillislie vs.who did we draft here?-Gilislie was bad.
Caleb Sturgis vs.who did we draft here?-Sturgis
Don Jones vs.who did we draft here?-not sure how Jones did.
Miami Dolphins: Re-Grading 2013 Draft | Bleacher Report

Please see that page to see how he did when addressing a OL draft.

We can't just hope for things to happen. And half the people here are in denial about Atlanta. Wake up! Atlanta is not going away, they have made all these changes to top us. Thats all they care about! And we do stuff like this!

saintsfan1976 01-22-2015 06:21 AM

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I think it's a mistake to compare drafts at other teams unless you know the circumstance surrounding picks.

Bottom line; Payton has worked with Ireland and is obviously comfortable with his abilities. Again, he won't be the GM, he'll be a talent evaluator - something he excels at.

halloween 65 01-22-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 638229)
If we go run first we will need a strong RB. I just don't know if Ingram is staying and if he doesn't we should franchise tag him and trade him for some extra picks to be able to get a good RB. Our oline is not good enough though and that needs help.

I believe that drafting a C and G in the draft is needed, swing Lelito to G, keep Grubbs, Lelito, Armstead, and Stief with a stud C to start and the drafted G /T to groom. Not replacing to many at once on the front line is key. As far as RB there are some really good FA even if Ingram leaves(I hope we keep him) and a slew of quality RB.'s that can be had in the late, late rounds, some will even go undrafted. This is an excellant year for RB. in the draft but If we would go ground and pound we will need a bruiser type.

saintsfan1976 01-22-2015 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 638277)
I believe that drafting a C and G in the draft is needed, swing Lelito to G, keep Grubbs, Lelito, Armstead, and Stief with a stud C to start and the drafted G /T to groom. Not replacing to many at once on the front line is key. As far as RB there are some really good FA even if Ingram leaves(I hope we keep him) and a slew of quality RB.'s that can be had in the late, late rounds, some will even go undrafted. This is an excellant year for RB. in the draft but If we would go ground and pound we will need a bruiser type.

O Line - "versatility" is needed. Sign it or draft it. But get someone who can fill in if Grubbs, Evans or Strief can't play well enough.

I think Lelito is our C unless a dream scenario happens.

RB is as you said widely available.

Still need upgrades at LB, NT, CB. Possibly even WR...


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