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Can we send Leon back if Farve retires?
ESPN's 4 quarters opined that Brett Farve was considering retirement. If that's so, can we return Leon North? What a great treat it would be to see Leon post his "great stats" up in the hinterlands.
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thats to funny
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Who would be our QB? I guess Bouman would do....NOT :casstet:
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\"see that dimple?? that\'s my trademark dimple baby.\"
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Maybe we can send Leon up north and get J.T. and our second round draft pick back. I\'d take that.
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God. And you guys blame the team for a \"rush to mediocrity\".
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If you\'re \"mediocre\" (by definition, worse than half the teams in the league, but also by defintition, also BETTER than half the teams in the league), you take steps to better the situation. It\'s usually wise to address the weakest aspect of the team first, because logically that\'s where you have the best shot at making a positive impact towards moving above \"mediocre\". You don\'t make your top priority dumping whoever the guy you personally dislike the most and replacing him with someone who is possibly incrementally better, although there\'s no evidence to suggest that would be the case with anyone mentioned in this thread so far.
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Positions in most need of an upgrade, in order...
1. DT (2-gapper) 2. SLB 3. RT 4. WLB (or MLB and slide Watson over) 5. LT 6. QB 7. TE 8. SS 9. FS 10. CB In my opinion, there a 5 positions I\'d address before I even thought about replacing Brooks. Of course that will change a bit depending on which coordinators come and go. |
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You guys do know this is a trade scenario? Hello. If you trade Brooks, his salary is gone. Then these other needs we know we all have can be addressed. If we get a competent, consistent qb under center, we should be the same if not better on offense. It\'s not a matter of like or dislike. I guess you have seen a different offseason that I have the last 5 years Puddin. Care to show me some impact free agents we pay money to get every year?
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Are you suggesting our team is a pinto Venturi? And Brooks is a V8? I disagree whole heartedly. Now if you mean a new qb would be a V8, I will take that over the 4 cylinder we have now in any car, wouldn\'t you?
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No, you can\'t blame the defensive ranking ALL on a qb, but if it takes your qb a half to get warmed up, at which point you are scoring 0 points and giving numerous possessions to the opposing team putting your defense in bad situations, and you have a qb with a tendency to turn the ball over in the red zone, you aren\'t helping the D any. But no, he can\'t be blamed for the ranking. It\'s a good thing the D won despite him those last few games huh? And before anyone gets on the \"you just hate him\" bandwagon, his passer rating in the Atl game was 62.3, in the Dallas game, 68.2. Team won despite the qb. Now in the Tampa Bay game and Carolina game, ratings over 100. In the Tampa game, it all came in a 14 point 4th quarter explosion. Where was that quarter 1-3? In the Carolina game, Brooks just played a good game start to finish. Now, out of 4 games, I am sorry I can not pin my hopes on a qb who has ratings in the 60\'s in 2, over 100 in one because he got hot in the 4th quarter, and played one overall good game. I a not mad at anyone who can, I just can\'t.
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Trade Brooks, fix the D and get some OT\'s--then play ball control. You don\'t need Peyton Manning for that kind of offense.
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I\'m with you BMG, all the way.
FireVenturi, any and all of those guys would be an upgrade. Who\'s to say Brooks won\'t be WORSE next year after he decides to hold out for more money. At the very least, one can be brought in to compete. I feel strongly enough that Kitna or Volek would be better. Garrard and McMahon, we would have to see if they could beat Brooks out. Plus, any of them could be had for a 3rd rounder or so. They are always \"available.\" And speaking of upgrades, it doesn\'t get much worse than Leon and his 78 something rating PLUS 12 or so fumbles, does it? Brooks was only 3 points higher than Vinny Testaverde for crap sake. And Volek blew him away with worse receivers and Chris Brown hurt the second half of the year. I guess it is all in how you see it. |
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2.If he holds out..screw him, he aint a top notch QB 3. I just feel the only way he should be replaced is for an upgrade, as Volek prob would be an upgrade he ain\'t leavin Tenn. the other guys u mentioned are not an upgrade. Yes AB did have his worst season, but it is not on his shoulders 100%. WR\'s, OL, Off Coor.Wr\'s not including Joe |
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I\'m not gonna get into it, cause everyone besides Leon will get blamed for his ineptitude. Just look at the fumbles last year and the INTs the 2 years before, and the fact that the team was 7-4 without him and 3-3 with him the year they won the playoff game. The fact that he is in his 4th full year as the starter and either A) doesn\'t have the freedom to call audibles or B) calls the wrong audibles regularly, both of which speak to his IQ, or lack thereof. Even Eli Manning gets to call audibles and it won them the game against Dallas. Or you can look at his first hold out and recent proclamation that he is a \"great qb\" WITHOUT HAVING DONE ANYTHING. To me, with the attitude he has, it can\'t get much worse.
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For what it\'s worth, I saw Manning audible to a dive play last weekend when Denver had 9 guys in the box. The play gained...you guessed it...-2 yards. He also threw an interception because his guy ran the wrong route. Oh, he also rarely gets sacked because his line can friggin block. But then I\'d guess you blame our poor blocking on the QB...I think you already have. |
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Are you seriously saying Eli Manning has a line? Seriously? I don\'t know how I can even comment on the rest. They were 5-4 and removed Kurt Warner cause \"he was gonna get killed behind our line with our upcoming schedule.\" Straight from Tom Coughlin. That was just off.
Next, I can\'t count the number of times this year I have seen a team come up into a run blitz and Brooks run the play and Deuce gets slammed for a loss. So you tell me the reason for that. A)he doesn\'t like Deuce so keeps the play call. B) he audibled into a run blitz. C) he doesn;t have the freedom to call blitzes. Explain to me how we call run plays into obvious blitzes if he CAN audible. I don\'t see how that can be, unless he is dumber than previously thought. And i would listen to all this oh it\'s the receivers and the line stuff, but I was at the Dallas game. Zero pressure on Brooks. Line blocked its arse off. Balls thrown into the ground, into double coverage, over the receivers head. Just a ridiculous performance. So don\'t give me that \"it\'s everyone around Brooks\" nonsense cause I saw it live for myself in a situation where he was playing a losing team WITH NO PRESSURE ON HIM. Also, is you read elsewhere, I blame McCarthy for the slow start as much as Brooks. I guess you only show up when I am blasting Brooks. McCarthy obviously couldn;t see it took until the second hald most games for Brooks to get going when we were already down so he should have gameplanned this strategy. Won\'t help when your qb doesn\'t know what a touch pass is or takes 8 step drops into the rush. So obviously no teams scores on every possession, BUT EVERY FIRST QUARTER FOR 13 or 14 STRAIGHT GAMES??? give me a break. |
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Also, if you hadn\'t realized, this thread is ABOUT THE QB. Should I go talk about the Superdome renovation in a thread about the qb? Jeesh man.
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May sound wimpy but I am going to basically going to go middle of the road with the Brooks argument. I believe the guy has loads of talent --- I also believe that his ego is getting in the way of him progressing. One would almost think that he tanks the early parts of games so he gets into the situation that he has to be the star making the plays. Actually his problem (as witht he Saints offense in general) is that they go into the game thinking they are so much better than the other team that they play with no real passion. If you are not 100% ready to play you are going to get spanked. By the time they realize the game is out of reach they start playing for real. Now at the end of the season they perked up because they were so far down (season wise) it was time to play.
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He can\'t be dumber than I previously thought BMG. Just not possible.
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4saints, I can respect that. I have no problem with ANYONE liking Brooks, but the minute I lay his faults out I get the \"it\'s the line, the receivers, the coaches, the playcalling, the hot dog vendors, the parking attendant, the President, Osama Bin Ladin, and the Taliban\" that is keeping him from being successful. It\'s just unreal. Everyone has a right to an opinion, and mine is that Brooks is a sorry excuse for a qb and his free pass is over. Do I have to get railed because of it?
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saintfan, did you notice I didn\'t start this thread? Did you think a thread about trading Leon away, and calling him Leon, was about welcoming him back to the team with open arms next year? Maybe you should understand the topic you are posting under better.
Also since I am \"blasting\" him, can you tell me one thing I have pointed out about him that isn\'t true? [Edited on 11/1/2005 by saintswhodi] |
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The same people that are bashing Aaron Brooks are the same people that will (and always do) say that the Saints always get rid of talent. Now fair enough, he has played terrible sometimes and sometimes he has played brilliantly. But even when the Saints had winning seasons what QB did we have that was better than what we have now? It is proven in this league every year that the most important part of your team is the defense. You can not be successful without atleast middle or higher ranked defense and it shows in the playoff also. Now if Brooks leaves a goes on the be succesful everyone that is bashing him will be bashing the team still because there are a lot more problems than Aaron Brooks on offense like: stupid penaltys, blown blocking assignments, dropped passes(especially at the beginning of the season), and a lack of a running game.
[Edited on 11/1/2005 by Rsanders24] |
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Tick,tock, I smell a lock! You 2 get along.
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Saints always get rid of talent? Let me see:
La\'Roi Glover- Isn\'t he in the pro bowl AGAIN this year? Sammy Knight-First or second in the league in INTs the last 6 years Willie Roaf-Need I say more? Terrelle Smith-Love Karney, but Deuce was a beast behind Smith Kyle Turley-The Rams line has been crap without him. Marc Bulger-How many playoff appearances does he have the last 4 years? Jake Delhomme-Superbowl anyone? Nope, can\'t see why anyone would think the Saints get rid of talent. Let\'s examine talent they simply misjudge: Sullivan-Trufant and Kevin Williams behind him in the draft and Byron Leftwich. Terrell Suggs also I think. Great choice. Henderson-Coulda had Keary Colbert or Donterrius Thomas Stinchcomb-Coulda had Rashean Mathis and several other players I don\'t wanna look up. So, I guess you are right, I don\'t know how anyone who says the Saints get rid of talent doesn\'t fall head over heels for Aaron Brooks. I mean, we got rid of or passed on so much other talent, let\'s stick with Leon and mediocrity cause God forbid we are 4-12 and miss the playoffs instead of 8-9 or 7-9 and miss them. |
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AMEN Joe. Whodi, I suggest you relax but quick. |
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True, but every team has overlook talent let\'s take Sullivan as an example. Even though you and many others may have thought that the Saints reached in taking him with the #6 pick he was still considered a early to early- mid first round pick. When they drafted him did you automatically know that he wouldn\'t come close to living up to that pick? Probably not. And if you did then you need to submit your resume to every team in the league because the draft is nothing but a gamble. A year ago do you really think that the Chargers would have picked Rivers if they knew that Brees would have the year that he had? I doubt it. And everyone that is saying that we should get him would not have said that last year. And as for La\'Roi Glover yes he made it to the Pro Bowl but did he really help his team? No, The same reason Dallas might let him go(check ESPN) is the same reason the Saints let him go he is great against the pass but a liability against the run. Some of the others they coulnd\'t keep anyway. Also, eveyone one does not work in the same system. Players that are good in one system may be horrible in another. And once again how many games did the defense lose for us Aaron Brooks did not lose these game by himself. Why do you mention Jake Delhomme? He isn\'t any better they won last year because of an awesome DEFENSE and a HEALTHLY RUNNING GAME! I didn\'t see Byron Leftwich make to many spectacular plays last year or this year, they one with great defense and a running game unless they had to pass. So, while I see what you are saying mos tof it doesn\'t apply to our situation because eventhough Aaron Brooks didn\'t play spectacular in the final four games we won with a good defense and good offense. ;)
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If Donte had continued his injury bug, Horn\'s knees had deteriorated as many feared, and Pathon continued the dropsies, and Lewis/Gardner regressed the Henderson pick would have looked as awesome as any of the WR\'s selected in the 2004 draft. If your gonna ridicule somebody, at least have your facts straight. ;) |
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saintsfan, say what you will, you came into this thread and railed me. Why do I need to chill? IT was negative about Brooks FROM THE BEGINNING. If you found something positive about Brooks in the title, please explain to me where it is so I can understand. I wanna know where the mix up is and how I minuderstood this to be a we love Brooks thread and how I brought the negativity into it. The point to me is, I don\'t rail anyone about liking Brooks. I explain why I don\'t. Big difference. I have never had a problem with anyone liking Brooks whether I can understand it or not, look a few posts up at what I posted to 4saintsspirit. I have said this numerous times. Others don\'t extend the same courtesy. I have a right to not like Brooks, just as you have a right to like him. I also have a right not to rail anyone about it, like you did to me. If you show me a thread where someone was lauding Brooks and I railed them about it I would love to see it. I bet you will fine MANY where I expressed how I felt about him, but never railed anyone else. RSanders, I remember the Sullivan pick clearly and the look of utter confusion on EVERYONE who was on the ESPN\'s panel including Kiper\'s faces. As a matter of fact, Kiper didn\'t have him in his top 25 so how was he an early to late first pick? They said the Saints coulda got him in the second. He may have become a early first pick cause we made him one. I knew that was a bad pick from the get go and groaned about it. But we have no way of proving it, so it\'s moot. I don\'t get paid to make those decisions, the Saints do. Big difference. If I don\'t like a guy, it doesn\'t affect the Saints. If the Saints make bad picks and bad decisions, it affects a whole region of the country. [Edited on 12/1/2005 by saintswhodi] |
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