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Mr.Riaton 02-20-2015 06:26 AM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 641081)
Your line of logic doesn't make sense.

This is a completely different team then 09. Hell, by 2011 when Sproles was brought on we only had 10 players remaining from the SB roster. We won a Superbowl without Cooks, Jimmy, Stills, Ingram so we might as well get rid of all of them... Oh wait Goodwin won a Superbowl with us so obviously we should keep him, can we bring Shanle back too?

Not trying to be a Douche, but I do feel I'm pointing out the obvious.

Lastly, Colston didn't say the offense could function without him, he just said they were different and less effective without him.

You did not point out the obvious,you responded with sarcasm because my comment wasn't logical to you. I understand your thinking,but you're looking way to deep into my comment. It was just a simple comment towards Colston's BS remark. It comes across to me like he's making excuses. If you disagree with me,that's fine but if you still don't understand,then just let it go.

jeanpierre 02-20-2015 06:35 AM

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Problem is simple football, Line of Scrimmage...

And when we took on what was then upstarts like Seattle, San Fran in the playoffs they weren't intimidated by our offense...

We had a very, very effective offensive line that could smack teams in the mouth in the past...

Nicks left, Evans and Strief got older, like Parcells, Madden et al would say, it starts upfront...

We get to where we can easily pick up two downs by just snapping the ball, which...

Having a powerful offensive line 'masks' inefficiencs of our defense, because...

Or having that lunch pail front seven type on defense that could scrap and scrape and weren't wore out from losing the time of possession...

But fixing the offensive line can happen real fast this offseason cause it's like having a group of bullies that have the ball and no one can get to it because it's protected...

I mean look at what Dallas achieved and they have Romo at quarterback; and Dallas smacked Seattle this season...

Fix the offensive line. Fix the defensive front seven. Celebrate Lombardi Gras again...

saintsfan1976 02-20-2015 07:36 AM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
I wonder what an upgrade at center would do for Grubbs?

And the D line has excellent your talent in Jordan and Hicks.

dizzle88 02-20-2015 07:38 AM

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I still don't understand why Goodwin got started over Lelito

Every game that Lelito played centre, he was clearly the better player

The consensus on how to stop Brees is to get A gap pressure so he can't step up and fire, with Goodwin in at centre, the blitz was constantly in Brees' face.

halloween 65 02-20-2015 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 641099)
I still don't understand why Goodwin got started over Lelito

Every game that Lelito played centre, he was clearly the better player

The consensus on how to stop Brees is to get A gap pressure so he can't step up and fire, with Goodwin in at centre, the blitz was constantly in Brees' face.

Exactly!! Stud C and replace 1 of the 2 G we have with a stud G and we are back in buisness. Of the 2 G Evans and Grubbs to me Evans got pushed around way more than Grubbs. I'm not saying Grubbs play was satisfactory in the least but put a stud C and stud G to go along with Grubbs would be smart. He does need to take a big paycut though.

jeanpierre 02-20-2015 10:15 AM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 641098)
I wonder what an upgrade at center would do for Grubbs?

Not a damn thing; seen that guy get thrown like a doll...

Remember that home game against Miami when Sproles bailed us out on those wheel routes?!?

Those young Dolphins were treating Grubbs like a b****!!!

Get that big boy Boling in his place at a better cap number, younger, and with more nastiness!!!

Would love to see Boling pancake one of those Seattle pass rushers...

Mr.Riaton 02-20-2015 12:04 PM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 641133)
Not a damn thing; seen that guy get thrown like a doll...

Remember that home game against Miami when Sproles bailed us out on those wheel routes?!?

Those young Dolphins were treating Grubbs like a b****!!!

Get that big boy Boling in his place at a better cap number, younger, and with more nastiness!!!

Would love to see Boling pancake one of those Seattle pass rushers...

I really like your idea of fixing the o line through FA,but if we can't afford a CB then I would rather see us pick up the Raiders center and maybe Jackson from the Texans. We can pick up Sherff or Collins if Sherff isn't there. But it would be nice to get a center,guard and corner in FA so we can draft heavily on the defensive side.

RaginCajun83 02-20-2015 12:59 PM

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BIL is a Texans fan and he told me Jackson isn't worth the money, he's been way to inconsistent for anyone to throw big money at him

Mr.Riaton 02-20-2015 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 641143)
BIL is a Texans fan and he told me Jackson isn't worth the money, he's been way to inconsistent for anyone to throw big money at him

Hmmm...didn't realize that. Well,my first choice has always been Maxwell,but I think he'll be too expensive. But then again,I thought Byrd was too expensive and we fit him in. I guess what Sean wants,Sean gets and I know he's very aware of the CB situation.

JPPT1974 02-20-2015 04:38 PM

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Sadly what is the Saints loss is the Eagles gain. But if it is any consolation, at least Philly did not make the playoffs.

st thomas 02-24-2015 01:11 PM

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sproles started with a bang in philly , but as the season went he was being figured out, not counting being beat up like in new Orleans.

Mardigras9 02-24-2015 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 641057)
Come home Reggie Bush.

Definitely need a dislike button, no thank you for Bush.

Not sure that Sproles would have helped. Lack of protection for Brees was one of the biggest factors. In his last season with us, teams had figured out our Sproles plays.

NonieT 02-25-2015 05:43 PM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
I wonder what led to all the passes he dropped and the fumbles he committed?

dizzle88 02-25-2015 05:47 PM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
For the right price I'd welcome Reggie back, he's an automatic upgrade on Cadet and could help draw coverages away from other players.

Danno 02-25-2015 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 641660)
For the right price I'd welcome Reggie back, he's an automatic upgrade on Cadet and could help draw coverages away from other players.

I don't think he's much of a significant upgrade anymore and any scat back draws coverages away from other players.

I think there are probably better options out there.

OldMaid 02-25-2015 07:53 PM

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Yes, Sproles was factor. A factor of many factors.

There were mayn, many other factors.

For resigning Reggie Bush, no.
His best and better days are over.
I liked him for all he did here and , perhaps, there would have been no SB win without him that year. HE was a BIG factor in that year and the years leading up to the SB year. He was part of just the right mx at just the right time.

I like RBush. He was a pretty guy on and off the field.
All the best to him. I hope he just retires. N.O.-Saints--MiamiDolphins---DetLions. Just retire. He had a great college football run and a good run in the NFL. He should leave it before it leaves him.

Rugby Saint II 03-06-2015 02:37 PM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 641659)
I wonder what led to all the passes he dropped and the fumbles he committed?

An eye exam might do wonders for Colstons game.

billyt81 03-06-2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 641033)
Sproles production dropped off, everyone on the D side knew how to play their D when Sproles was on the field, he was Brees go to guy. Now since he's gone Brees go to guy is Graham and just like when Sproles was on the field the D knows just how to game plan for the Brees to Graham connection. Our drop-off on the O-line has made things alot worse and believe this ,if that line don't get fixed and our high dollar TE don't start fighting off 189lb. CB's it's going to be a very long season. At Brees age ( window closing) a great ground game is going to be needed to compliment him. I would agree 100% our play calling has gone stale and been figured out by alot of D's. The O-line is fixable, I don't think that high dollar TE we have is.

I agree with all of this 100%. Graham shows pitiful effort and I can't help but wonder if it's contagious. He doesn't block, break tackles or try hard to catch off-target passes. He is one of the highest paid players on the team. It's time for his effort to match his talent. I know he is one of the most dangerous pass-catchers in the league, and has sometimes looked like an NFL MVP, but this isn't basketball and if Jimmy wants to be remembered as a great football player, he's gonna have to start playing a little meaner and nastier.

dizzle88 03-06-2015 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 642746)
I agree with all of this 100%. Graham shows pitiful effort and I can't help but wonder if it's contagious. He doesn't block, break tackles or try hard to catch off-target passes. He is one of the highest paid players on the team. It's time for his effort to match his talent. I know he is one of the most dangerous pass-catchers in the league, and has sometimes looked like an NFL MVP, but this isn't basketball and if Jimmy wants to be remembered as a great football player, he's gonna have to start playing a little meaner and nastier.

Very true

If a pass isn't directly heading towards his chest Jimmy puts little effort in to catch it, most of the time he just sticks one hand out and bats the ball up into the air resulting in a pick.

The worst thing was when Jimmy started a fight pregame vs Seattle in the playoffs talking about how good he was, then he went on to catch 1 pass for 5 yards, with 3 drops and flinched every time he saw earl Thomas.

Danno 03-06-2015 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 642746)
I agree with all of this 100%. Graham shows pitiful effort and I can't help but wonder if it's contagious. He doesn't block, break tackles or try hard to catch off-target passes. He is one of the highest paid players on the team. It's time for his effort to match his talent. I know he is one of the most dangerous pass-catchers in the league, and has sometimes looked like an NFL MVP, but this isn't basketball and if Jimmy wants to be remembered as a great football player, he's gonna have to start playing a little meaner and nastier.

Good grief. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.:rolleyes:

dizzle88 03-06-2015 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642750)
Good grief. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.:rolleyes:

He's certainly got better at blocking but I don't think he tries that hard to catch off target passes

E.g the one vs browns, Brees overthrew it a little, Jimmy still could have caught it but let it go straight through his hands and it got picked, whilst the browns ran it back Jimmy just walked away.

Danno 03-06-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 642752)
He's certainly got better at blocking but I don't think he tries that hard to catch off target passes

E.g the one vs browns, Brees overthrew it a little, Jimmy still could have caught it but let it go straight through his hands and it got picked, whilst the browns ran it back Jimmy just walked away.

I've seen Colston alligator arm a few off target passes too. Is he soft? Does he lack effort?

dizzle88 03-06-2015 07:00 PM

Re: Saints wide receiver Marques Colston says loss of Darren Sproles contributed to offensive struggles
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642754)
I've seen Colston alligator arm a few off target passes too. Is he soft? Does he lack effort?

Colston in his prime didn't disappear at the very moment that DB's get a little physical with him.

New England showed the league that if you hit Jimmy at the line he loses interest and lacks effort making the catch.

Boutte 03-06-2015 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 641072)
Then why didn't you ask me instead of being a douche? My point is not that complicated...we won a Super Bowl without him and now all of a sudden our offense can't function because he left? We all know what contributed to our problems,and losing Sproles isn't one of them.

Listen to yourself. You're basically saying that you know more about this team than a guy who's been playing here his entire career.

As far as anyone here knowing who's a leader for this team it's laughable. You me and anyone who isn't a player or a coach for this team knows exactly squat about what makes a team tick. (or not tick) Get over yourselves. It's fine to have an opinion but that's all it is. And not a well informed one at that.

Beastmode 03-06-2015 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 642752)
He's certainly got better at blocking but I don't think he tries that hard to catch off target passes

E.g the one vs browns, Brees overthrew it a little, Jimmy still could have caught it but let it go straight through his hands and it got picked, whilst the browns ran it back Jimmy just walked away.

I remember than one, there was another one this season where he also quit on a fumble I believe, can't recall the game but he could have totally tacked the guy but just stood there. I was shocked to be honest. Very sloppy play on that level. Always make an effort, even if you think it's not a turnover. We have to fix those details next season or it will be more of the same.

Also pushing off FTW when all eyes or on you. Can't do that ever. Almost a given you're not going to get away with it, even with a slight push off.

billyt81 03-06-2015 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642750)
Good grief. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.:rolleyes:

Where am I so wrong? You can't tell me it doesn't bother you when Graham has a corner in front of him and instead of fighting for every yard, steps out of bounds. His blocking is poor at best and by the end of last season we saw Jimmy playing almost exclusively at WR playing often with Watson on the field in the TE position. I wondered often last year if Graham really has a personal problem with Brees possibly stemming from Brees public stance on Graham's position status. Last year there were multiple times when Graham was thrown less than perfect passes and made almost no effort to catch the ball. The one against Cleveland was unforgiveable. It went right between his hands. Dropping a pass when it's right on target is one thing, but not even touching it.......C'MON MAN!

billyt81 03-06-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642754)
I've seen Colston alligator arm a few off target passes too. Is he soft? Does he lack effort?

I've never seen Colston not show 100% effort to catch the ball. When did Colston have a chance to catch a pass and neglect to try for it? I cry B.S. You dismiss my point by saying,"well Colston did it too" which is a weak point anyway considering Graham's contract, when in fact Colston has probably never missed a reception due to lack of effort

RaginCajun83 03-06-2015 11:19 PM

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I remember Colston slamming his helmet after the fumble that cost the game in week 1, that was the most emotion I think he's ever shown and it was pure sometimes I think Graham is putting on a show and I still don't get how someone of Graham's size gets thrown around like he's Sproles out there. One thing I also didn't get was 1st drive against the Ravens, not a single pass to Graham from the 2 yard line .... really?


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