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AsylumGuido 03-05-2015 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 642534)
i have said it before. the saints have always looked to replace pt and never truly respected him.

This past season there was reason, though. There is no doubt he has been a huge part of our success, but now his return on investment doesn't support his return. Above all, the NFL is a business.

Danno 03-05-2015 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 642534)
i have said it before. the saints have always looked to replace pt and never truly respected him.

I could not disagree more with this comment.

RaginCajun83 03-05-2015 06:36 PM

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He's been injury plague the last couple years (I know since I had him on my fantasy team and it killed me) still think it was a shady move that could of been avoided by trimming some dead fat on defense

Schmohams 03-05-2015 06:48 PM

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A few days ago: Sean Payton states lack of player leadership was an issue in 2014

Today: Release and look to trade the leaders we have

Danno 03-05-2015 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 642549)
A few days ago: Sean Payton states lack of player leadership was an issue in 2014

Today: Release and look to trade the leaders we have

Which ones were leaders?

saintsfan1976 03-05-2015 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642559)
Which ones were leaders?

I think people are confusing tenure and stats with leadership.

I clearly remember reading about a rift in the locker room last year that involved PT, Jimmy Graham, Galette and now maybe I'm thinking Lofton too...?

RaginCajun83 03-05-2015 08:30 PM

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Well Gallette has shown time and time again he had no business being a captain, he couldn't keep his mouth shut on twitter and the legal BS could of been the last straw with Payton. I really hope they find a way to move on from him and I like Gallette (the player).

4everSaint 03-05-2015 08:48 PM

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Watch Atlanta Swoop him up.

lee909 03-05-2015 10:01 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats take him if they dont re-sign Vereen

arsaint 03-06-2015 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642406)
We traded him. We didn't release him. And he wasn't really doing much for us. And he mostly shined on special teams for the eagles. He sucked on special teams here.


True, but in effect we got rid of Sproles for LB Ronald Powell (the man drafted with the 5th rounder from the Eagles). Something tells me that Sproles had more value to the team...


As for PT, he was not ran into the ground with lots of touches so I think he had more left in the tank than your typical 30 year old RB.

He knew the system, was a good blocker, a good runner, and a master of the screen pass. Dude gave it 110% on the field at ALL TIMES. I hate to see a guy who was so always who did everything they asked him to. I would argue he was NOT used enough...


If this ends up with us getting a good young back, then whatever. If this $$ goes to resigning Mark Ingram then I have to question what they're smoking. Ingram is not worth a big paycheck and stays hurt too much...

dizzle88 03-06-2015 11:46 AM

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So many good memories of PT, mostly him getting our team going after sluggish starts.

Super bowl 44, the colts could not tackle PT with one player, at one point in the first half 3 players hit him and managed to stay on his feet for another 8 yards afterwards.

2011 NFCCG vs lions - Lions pretty much whooped us the entire first quarter until we started throwing screens to PT, who once again bounced off every tackler the lions could throw at him. One screen play looked like it would lose 3 yards but PT dodged 5 players and got 15 yards from it.


QBREES9 03-06-2015 12:28 PM

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Pierre, Thank You for everything. You will be missed.

Jamessr 03-06-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 642627)
Dude gave it 110% on the field at ALL TIMES. I hate to see a guy who was so always who did everything they asked him to.

^ This

Danno 03-06-2015 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 642627)
True, but in effect we got rid of Sproles for LB Ronald Powell (the man drafted with the 5th rounder from the Eagles). Something tells me that Sproles had more value to the team...

Can't look at it that way. Thats hindsight. We got something for Sproles instead of nothing.

If we had gotten 2 1st rounders for Sproles and both ended up being busts, was it a bad deal to get 2 1st round picks for him?

atltillidie 03-07-2015 09:38 AM

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That man has been killing the Falcons for years. Glad he's gone :P

dizzle88 03-07-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by atltillidie (Post 642817)
That man has been killing the Falcons for years. Glad he's gone :P

We were just saying the same about Harry Douglas! Lol.

K Major 03-07-2015 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 642827)
We were just saying the same about Harry Douglas! Lol.

Last season just about every NFL team killed our defense. It was hard to watch at times.

billyt81 03-08-2015 08:21 AM

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Obviously we plan to sign or draft a back, because PT caught like 45 passes last year with almost half of those being for first downs. PT was cheap and he produced when needed so why cut him. I bet the Saints bring in a Reggie Bush type of 3rd down back. I think we'll have Ingram and Robinson as our thumpers and Payton's got his eyes on one or more in the draft who could all be significant upgrades as a 3rd down back. Probably a small back with blazing speed and great hands. I am convinced this will happen because as of now we still need PT on 3rd down. Who fits this description in this years draft? And can we get him in RD 2,3 or 4?

AsylumGuido 03-08-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 643031)
Obviously we plan to sign or draft a back, because PT caught like 45 passes last year with almost half of those being for first downs. PT was cheap and he produced when needed so why cut him. I bet the Saints bring in a Reggie Bush type of 3rd down back. I think we'll have Ingram and Robinson as our thumpers and Payton's got his eyes on one or more in the draft who could all be significant upgrades as a 3rd down back. Probably a small back with blazing speed and great hands. I am convinced this will happen because as of now we still need PT on 3rd down. Who fits this description in this years draft? And can we get him in RD 2,3 or 4?

What you are describing is what we have used for the last several years. It is getting stale. Defenses have it figured out. It's time to get physical in the run game and Ingram is the one that can do it. He also proved he could catch the ball out of the backfield.

Mr.Riaton 03-08-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 643078)
What you are describing is what we have used for the last several years. It is getting stale. Defenses have it figured out. It's time to get physical in the run game and Ingram is the one that can do it. He also proved he could catch the ball out of the backfield.

Couldn't have said that any better! So many fans want a Sproles replacement or complain about who's gonna run the screen pass now,etc. it's time to move on and change it up a little bit. I seem to remember the screen pass failing a lot more last year than normal. If I can call out most of the plays from my couch,imagine how easy it is for opposing teams. I love Thomas and I'm gonna miss him,but I'm more gonna miss what he used to be for this team.

arsaint 03-08-2015 03:42 PM

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So we dumped PT to throw more coin Ingram's way. BAH!!!

IF he can stay healthy, and IF he doesn't have the typical post-contract letdown, maybe I'll eat crow and say this was for the best.


Right now I feeling like we sold our late 90s model sportscar for a 5 year old Prius...

Danno 03-08-2015 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 643138)
So we dumped PT to throw more coin Ingram's way. BAH!!!..

No, thats not why we dumped PT.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2015 05:17 PM

Re: Pierre Thomas released...
 
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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 643138)
So we dumped PT to throw more coin Ingram's way. BAH!!!

IF he can stay healthy, and IF he doesn't have the typical post-contract letdown, maybe I'll eat crow and say this was for the best.


Right now I feeling like we sold our late 90s model sportscar for a 5 year old Prius...

He stayed FAR healthier than Thomas did last season. This was not a financial decision. It was a production decision.

WhoDat!656 03-08-2015 07:37 PM

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Twelve Saints running backs have 500 or more career rushing attempts.

Pierre Thomas’s average per attempt, 4.6 yards, is a third of a yard better than anybody else on that list.

Pierre Thomas fumbled seven times in 818 rushing attempts.

Rueben Mayes fumbled 14 times in 837 attempts.

Chuck Muncie fumbled 25 times in 788 attempts.

Pierre fumbled less often than any other New Orleans running back. Ever.

Vive la Pierre | B&G

|Mitch| 03-08-2015 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 643239)
Twelve Saints running backs have 500 or more career rushing attempts.

Pierre Thomas’s average per attempt, 4.6 yards, is a third of a yard better than anybody else on that list.

Pierre Thomas fumbled seven times in 818 rushing attempts.

Rueben Mayes fumbled 14 times in 837 attempts.

Chuck Muncie fumbled 25 times in 788 attempts.

Pierre fumbled less often than any other New Orleans running back. Ever.

Vive la Pierre | B&G

Sorry to say it's a "what have you done for me lately" league and Ingram had 700 more yards rushing and 8 more TD's last year

arsaint 03-08-2015 08:01 PM

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If it were ONLY a what have you done for me lately thing, Ingram would have been sacking groceries somewhere a couple of years ago.

Thomas produced when he saw the field. Problem was coach was saving him for SOMETHING - what exactly I'm not sure, maybe carrying his luggage - so naturally Ingram's touches and yards went up.


Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see Mark get 1200 yards and a dozen TDs next year but it ain't happening.

We'll be lucky if he's not on IR by game 6, or worse yet - active and averaging 2 yards and a cloud of dust like he has his entire career (sans 2014).


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