Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

darksoul35 · 03-10-2015, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

What the hell! This is disturbing. The entire football world thinks we are crazy. Why did we bother to pay him last year when we knew it was going to hurt the salary cap this year.
They better come up with something big to make up for this loss and let's hope we don't have to play Jimmy & the Hawks in the playoffs.

Not to mention how we have done in the past with first round picks. Im a saints fan no matter what but to me this sucks.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-10-2015, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

What the hell! This is disturbing. The entire football world thinks we are crazy. Why did we bother to pay him last year when we knew it was going to hurt the salary cap this year.

Because he was an All-Pro tight end. The contract last year wasn't signed with the expectation that he would be traded a year later. It was signed with the expectation that he would be a healthy All-Pro game changer for the length of the contract. 2014 simply did not turn out that way.

They better come up with something big to make up for this loss and let's hope we don't have to play Jimmy & the Hawks in the playoffs.

Let me correct that for you:

They better come up with something big on the defensive side of the ball...

No matter how much one likes fantasy the math hasn't changed:

Top 10 offense in points and yards
Bottom 5 defense.

SFIAH

lee909 · 03-10-2015, 05:24 PM

Should make both teams happy

Saints take a short term hit for 5 years of a round one rookie deal.
Might hurt us this year all the changes but long term we shoudl hit next year at worst with a high draft pick and a tonne of cap room after the big deals are cutble

Seahawks12th · 03-10-2015, 05:32 PM

WARNING TO ALL SAINTS FANS
Hopefully Drew doesn't love Shotty because every single one of Ungers snaps are in the dirt. IT WILL DRIVE YOU CRAZZZZYYYYYYYYYY

arsaint · 03-10-2015, 05:33 PM

Brees TD-INT ratio just improved 10%

lee909 · 03-10-2015, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

Brees TD-INT ratio just improved 10%

As did Colston fantasy value,and i have him on every dynasty league im in,

Seahawks12th · 03-10-2015, 05:36 PM

One thing I did notice with The Saints last year. Graham on the field... Paaaaaassssssss. Graham off the field.. run. Was your OC a little too predictable last year?

dizzle88 · 03-10-2015, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Seahawks12th

One thing I did notice with The Saints last year. Graham on the field... Paaaaaassssssss. Graham off the field.. run. Was your OC a little too predictable last year?

You should have seen it on 3rd down, 11 players could cover Graham and Brees would still force it there

Our offense performed better without Graham, Brees is at his best when he has time and when he can spread the ball around

The ball was constantly forced to Graham because the pocket kept collapsing too quick.

lee909 · 03-10-2015, 05:41 PM

We have been getting predictable for a couple of years imo.

I think the grades from Walterfootball are spot on

Seahawks acquire TE Jimmy Graham, 4th-round pick from Saints for C Max Unger, 1st-round pick
Remember a year ago when the Saints gave Jimmy Graham all that money? It's amazing how quickly things can change in the NFL. Graham is now gone to the Pacific Northwest, and the Saints acquired Max Unger and a first-round choice in return.

I don't think there's a concise winner in this deal, as it makes sense for both teams. For Seattle, throwing the ball to Graham in the end zone makes a lot more sense than targeting Ricardo Lockette, or any of the other mediocre targets Seattle had. Graham's presence on the field will also open things up for Marshawn Lynch, who won't face stacked boxes anymore. More importantly, Wilson finally has a stud weapon to work with, so he'll be even better in his fourth season.

Wilson, however, loses a center, but that's not a huge deal because of how mobile he is. It would mean far more for a pocket-passing quarterback, but the offensive line isn't as prevalent for Wilson. It is for Drew Brees, who was beaten up last year because center Jonathan Goodwin was incompetent. Unger is a huge upgrade, and the Saints are getting a first-round pick on top of it.

Brees does lose Graham though, which is huge. Perhaps the Saints will use their second opening-round draft selection on a replacement in Maxx Williams, who fits the range at the end of the first round, though I currently have Williams going in the second frame. For more, check out my 2015 NFL Mock Draft, which was updated today.

Grade for Seahawks - B+
Grade for Saints - B+

Seahawks12th · 03-10-2015, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

We have been getting predictable for a couple of years imo.

I think the grades from Walterfootball are spot on

Seahawks acquire TE Jimmy Graham, 4th-round pick from Saints for C Max Unger, 1st-round pick
Remember a year ago when the Saints gave Jimmy Graham all that money? It's amazing how quickly things can change in the NFL. Graham is now gone to the Pacific Northwest, and the Saints acquired Max Unger and a first-round choice in return.

I don't think there's a concise winner in this deal, as it makes sense for both teams. For Seattle, throwing the ball to Graham in the end zone makes a lot more sense than targeting Ricardo Lockette, or any of the other mediocre targets Seattle had. Graham's presence on the field will also open things up for Marshawn Lynch, who won't face stacked boxes anymore. More importantly, Wilson finally has a stud weapon to work with, so he'll be even better in his fourth season.

Wilson, however, loses a center, but that's not a huge deal because of how mobile he is. It would mean far more for a pocket-passing quarterback, but the offensive line isn't as prevalent for Wilson. It is for Drew Brees, who was beaten up last year because center Jonathan Goodwin was incompetent. Unger is a huge upgrade, and the Saints are getting a first-round pick on top of it.

Brees does lose Graham though, which is huge. Perhaps the Saints will use their second opening-round draft selection on a replacement in Maxx Williams, who fits the range at the end of the first round, though I currently have Williams going in the second frame. For more, check out my 2015 NFL Mock Draft, which was updated today.

Grade for Seahawks - B+
Grade for Saints - B+

I agree with this totally. I hope Unger stays healthy; he is a great player and will be missed in Seattle. He has had injuries but to be honest, he has had some bad luck. I will probably be a closet Saints fan next year and I really hope you take it to Dan Quinn.

03-10-2015, 05:33 PM	#1
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by NOLA54 What the hell! This is disturbing. The entire football world thinks we are crazy. Why did we bother to pay him last year when we knew it was going to hurt the salary cap this year. They better come up with something big to make up for this loss and let's hope we don't have to play Jimmy & the Hawks in the playoffs. Not to mention how we have done in the past with first round picks. Im a saints fan no matter what but to me this sucks. nola_swammi likes this.
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03-10-2015, 06:10 PM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by NOLA54 What the hell! This is disturbing. The entire football world thinks we are crazy. Why did we bother to pay him last year when we knew it was going to hurt the salary cap this year. Because he was an All-Pro tight end. The contract last year wasn't signed with the expectation that he would be traded a year later. It was signed with the expectation that he would be a healthy All-Pro game changer for the length of the contract. 2014 simply did not turn out that way. They better come up with something big to make up for this loss and let's hope we don't have to play Jimmy & the Hawks in the playoffs. Let me correct that for you: They better come up with something big on the defensive side of the ball... No matter how much one likes fantasy the math hasn't changed: Top 10 offense in points and yards Bottom 5 defense. SFIAH Halo, saintsfan1976, K Major and 1 others like this.

03-10-2015, 05:24 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Should make both teams happy Saints take a short term hit for 5 years of a round one rookie deal. Might hurt us this year all the changes but long term we shoudl hit next year at worst with a high draft pick and a tonne of cap room after the big deals are cutble

03-10-2015, 05:32 PM	#4
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks WARNING TO ALL SAINTS FANS Hopefully Drew doesn't love Shotty because every single one of Ungers snaps are in the dirt. IT WILL DRIVE YOU CRAZZZZYYYYYYYYYY

03-10-2015, 05:33 PM	#5
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Brees TD-INT ratio just improved 10%

03-10-2015, 05:34 PM	#6
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by arsaint Brees TD-INT ratio just improved 10% As did Colston fantasy value,and i have him on every dynasty league im in,

03-10-2015, 05:36 PM	#7
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks One thing I did notice with The Saints last year. Graham on the field... Paaaaaassssssss. Graham off the field.. run. Was your OC a little too predictable last year?

03-10-2015, 05:39 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,521	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by Seahawks12th One thing I did notice with The Saints last year. Graham on the field... Paaaaaassssssss. Graham off the field.. run. Was your OC a little too predictable last year? You should have seen it on 3rd down, 11 players could cover Graham and Brees would still force it there Our offense performed better without Graham, Brees is at his best when he has time and when he can spread the ball around The ball was constantly forced to Graham because the pocket kept collapsing too quick.

03-10-2015, 05:41 PM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks We have been getting predictable for a couple of years imo. I think the grades from Walterfootball are spot on Seahawks acquire TE Jimmy Graham, 4th-round pick from Saints for C Max Unger, 1st-round pick Remember a year ago when the Saints gave Jimmy Graham all that money? It's amazing how quickly things can change in the NFL. Graham is now gone to the Pacific Northwest, and the Saints acquired Max Unger and a first-round choice in return. I don't think there's a concise winner in this deal, as it makes sense for both teams. For Seattle, throwing the ball to Graham in the end zone makes a lot more sense than targeting Ricardo Lockette, or any of the other mediocre targets Seattle had. Graham's presence on the field will also open things up for Marshawn Lynch, who won't face stacked boxes anymore. More importantly, Wilson finally has a stud weapon to work with, so he'll be even better in his fourth season. Wilson, however, loses a center, but that's not a huge deal because of how mobile he is. It would mean far more for a pocket-passing quarterback, but the offensive line isn't as prevalent for Wilson. It is for Drew Brees, who was beaten up last year because center Jonathan Goodwin was incompetent. Unger is a huge upgrade, and the Saints are getting a first-round pick on top of it. Brees does lose Graham though, which is huge. Perhaps the Saints will use their second opening-round draft selection on a replacement in Maxx Williams, who fits the range at the end of the first round, though I currently have Williams going in the second frame. For more, check out my 2015 NFL Mock Draft, which was updated today. Grade for Seahawks - B+ Grade for Saints - B+ spkb25, hagan714 and OldMaid like this.
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03-10-2015, 05:49 PM	#10
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by lee909 We have been getting predictable for a couple of years imo. I think the grades from Walterfootball are spot on Seahawks acquire TE Jimmy Graham, 4th-round pick from Saints for C Max Unger, 1st-round pick Remember a year ago when the Saints gave Jimmy Graham all that money? It's amazing how quickly things can change in the NFL. Graham is now gone to the Pacific Northwest, and the Saints acquired Max Unger and a first-round choice in return. I don't think there's a concise winner in this deal, as it makes sense for both teams. For Seattle, throwing the ball to Graham in the end zone makes a lot more sense than targeting Ricardo Lockette, or any of the other mediocre targets Seattle had. Graham's presence on the field will also open things up for Marshawn Lynch, who won't face stacked boxes anymore. More importantly, Wilson finally has a stud weapon to work with, so he'll be even better in his fourth season. Wilson, however, loses a center, but that's not a huge deal because of how mobile he is. It would mean far more for a pocket-passing quarterback, but the offensive line isn't as prevalent for Wilson. It is for Drew Brees, who was beaten up last year because center Jonathan Goodwin was incompetent. Unger is a huge upgrade, and the Saints are getting a first-round pick on top of it. Brees does lose Graham though, which is huge. Perhaps the Saints will use their second opening-round draft selection on a replacement in Maxx Williams, who fits the range at the end of the first round, though I currently have Williams going in the second frame. For more, check out my 2015 NFL Mock Draft, which was updated today. Grade for Seahawks - B+ Grade for Saints - B+ I agree with this totally. I hope Unger stays healthy; he is a great player and will be missed in Seattle. He has had injuries but to be honest, he has had some bad luck. I will probably be a closet Saints fan next year and I really hope you take it to Dan Quinn. ChrisXVI and frydaddy like this.

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