As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future

03-17-2015, 03:23 PM

Imo..Brees will retire a Saint.

AsylumGuido · 03-17-2015, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

right now our offense is totally depleted. drew doesnt have (in my opinion) any wr'ing threat to throw too, also i saw some declination on drews' behalf for 2 years now. he's not as accurate as he used too and his throws doesnt seems to have that zip to em any more. now is drew still a good qb, of course he is. i just felt we should have been grooming a qb under sp's and drew regime. now with no offensive (wr'ing) threats hey let drew go, free up this money and lets get a young qb with young players around him and who knows we may have an andrew luck or russel wilson awaiting us.

Excuse me? First of all, not only is Brees as accurate as he has always been, but he had the 2nd best completion percentage in the entire league last season. Secondly, the offense is FAR from depleted. With Ingram, Spiller, Robinson and Hightower the Saints have perhaps the best RB bullpen in the NFL, two very good TE's that can actually block and the all-time leading WR in Saints history with a number of long young receivers ready to move up. Oh, and don't forget Brandin Cooks.

As for a Brees decline ... the only decline on the Saints offense involved the offensive line. Bringing in Max Unger at center is a HUGE upgrade. Another year's experience from Armstead and whomever is picked up via the draft will help cement the offensive hole and allow Brees to have the freedom in the pocket to once again be among the very best in every stat once again.

vpheughan · 03-17-2015, 04:51 PM

Think about it, we have too many RB's according to some of the "Eggspurts" Watch and be amazed as we unveil the Wishbone next year!! After all after Brees gets traded all we are going to do is hand off every play. Of course we'll change the name of it to the Gumbeauxnnnnn.

AsylumGuido · 03-17-2015, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

i sure hope so. I really hope the only problem with drew is an ol, but as i see it i saw times where he had time to throw passes and they're either over thrown or under thrown, especially when he try to go deep. i guess its the wr's fault unable to get open but wait he still dont have anyone to throw to so.....

Deep throws depend so much on foot plant. I have read so much about lower body stability transferring to accuracy deep. Pressure will shift the weight and affect the throw. Brees is smart enough to overthrow if rushed. But, he he is even slightly forced to throw off the heel (oncoming pressure) the result would have to be a more highly lofted underthrow.

Danno · 03-17-2015, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Excuse me? First of all, not only is Brees as accurate as he has always been, but he had the 2nd best completion percentage in the entire league last season. Secondly, the offense is FAR from depleted. With Ingram, Spiller, Robinson and Hightower the Saints have perhaps the best RB bullpen in the NFL, two very good TE's that can actually block and the all-time leading WR in Saints history with a number of long young receivers ready to move up. Oh, and don't forget Brandin Cooks.

As for a Brees decline ... the only decline on the Saints offense involved the offensive line. Bringing in Max Unger at center is a HUGE upgrade. Another year's experience from Armstead and whomever is picked up via the draft will help cement the offensive hole and allow Brees to have the freedom in the pocket to once again be among the very best in every stat once again.

Boutte · 03-17-2015, 08:52 PM

Have we really gotten worse compared to last year? Let's look at what we gave up.
1
Jimmy Graham - Definitely one of the best receivers in the league. But he's always injured. Yes he plays through it but he disappeared in some important games last year and he dropped?short armed some important passes last year and now we're hearing that he may have had some attitude issues.

We got, An All-Pro center and a first round draft pick plus we dumped a huge contract that was going to haunt us for years.
I think this deal makes us a better team.

2
Ben Grubbs, at one time he was a top notch guard but he was not that anymore but he was getting paid like it.

We got a 5th and another huge break off the salary. Another win.

3
Curtis Lofton, a great team guy and an excellent 2 down run stuffer. But, he's very limited in the passing game. Can't cover and can't blitz.

All we got out of this is cap relief but hopefully the addition of Eberle will lessen this loss of a class guy and a good football player. This move was unfortunate but necessary.

4
Kenny Stills, a great young prospect who looks to have a bright future ahead of him. Apparently there some attitude issues. There was talk at the end of the season from some of the vets about a lack of professionalism. Gotta believe Kenny was one of the guys they were talking about.

We got a starting caliber LB for a great price and a third round pick. Hard to judge this trade at this point but if PTB judged that it needed to be done I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

5
Cory White, Patrick Robinson, Travis Cadet, Tyrun Walker and probably some other guys I'm forgetting.

Meh

6
Pierre Thomas, WAAAHHH.....

I think we take the division.

st thomas · 03-17-2015, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Imo..Brees will retire a Saint.

and stay here as some part of our franchise , like Elway in Denver, hey why not.

st thomas · 03-17-2015, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

right now our offense is totally depleted. drew doesnt have (in my opinion) any wr'ing threat to throw too, also i saw some declination on drews' behalf for 2 years now. he's not as accurate as he used too and his throws doesnt seems to have that zip to em any more. now is drew still a good qb, of course he is. i just felt we should have been grooming a qb under sp's and drew regime. now with no offensive (wr'ing) threats hey let drew go, free up this money and lets get a young qb with young players around him and who knows we may have an andrew luck or russel wilson awaiting us.

a lot of drews bad plays and hurry ups that cause bad plays are reflextion of the line he has protecting him teddybare. give the man that 1 more second to read and its back to a superbowl.

jeanpierre · 03-17-2015, 10:46 PM

Where does this guy get his information about Rita's intentions?!?

If his sources are the local media with him giving quid pro quo on the national media scene, then that's ****ed because the local media is the epitome of yes men to the Benson Entertainment Machine...

If Rita somehow prevails and throws the golddigger to the curve, I'll laugh my collective arse off when she personally offers Payton a contract extension, for life...

NOLA54 · 03-17-2015, 11:43 PM

The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Only because these talking heads want it to.

03-17-2015, 03:23 PM	#21
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03-17-2015, 03:52 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Originally Posted by teddybarexxx right now our offense is totally depleted. drew doesnt have (in my opinion) any wr'ing threat to throw too, also i saw some declination on drews' behalf for 2 years now. he's not as accurate as he used too and his throws doesnt seems to have that zip to em any more. now is drew still a good qb, of course he is. i just felt we should have been grooming a qb under sp's and drew regime. now with no offensive (wr'ing) threats hey let drew go, free up this money and lets get a young qb with young players around him and who knows we may have an andrew luck or russel wilson awaiting us. Excuse me? First of all, not only is Brees as accurate as he has always been, but he had the 2nd best completion percentage in the entire league last season. Secondly, the offense is FAR from depleted. With Ingram, Spiller, Robinson and Hightower the Saints have perhaps the best RB bullpen in the NFL, two very good TE's that can actually block and the all-time leading WR in Saints history with a number of long young receivers ready to move up. Oh, and don't forget Brandin Cooks. As for a Brees decline ... the only decline on the Saints offense involved the offensive line. Bringing in Max Unger at center is a HUGE upgrade. Another year's experience from Armstead and whomever is picked up via the draft will help cement the offensive hole and allow Brees to have the freedom in the pocket to once again be among the very best in every stat once again. jnormand, Danno, foreverfan and 2 others like this.
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03-17-2015, 04:51 PM	#23
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,515	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Think about it, we have too many RB's according to some of the "Eggspurts" Watch and be amazed as we unveil the Wishbone next year!! After all after Brees gets traded all we are going to do is hand off every play. Of course we'll change the name of it to the Gumbeauxnnnnn.
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03-17-2015, 06:42 PM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Originally Posted by teddybarexxx i sure hope so. I really hope the only problem with drew is an ol, but as i see it i saw times where he had time to throw passes and they're either over thrown or under thrown, especially when he try to go deep. i guess its the wr's fault unable to get open but wait he still dont have anyone to throw to so..... Deep throws depend so much on foot plant. I have read so much about lower body stability transferring to accuracy deep. Pressure will shift the weight and affect the throw. Brees is smart enough to overthrow if rushed. But, he he is even slightly forced to throw off the heel (oncoming pressure) the result would have to be a more highly lofted underthrow. Danno likes this.

03-17-2015, 06:44 PM	#25
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Excuse me? First of all, not only is Brees as accurate as he has always been, but he had the 2nd best completion percentage in the entire league last season. Secondly, the offense is FAR from depleted. With Ingram, Spiller, Robinson and Hightower the Saints have perhaps the best RB bullpen in the NFL, two very good TE's that can actually block and the all-time leading WR in Saints history with a number of long young receivers ready to move up. Oh, and don't forget Brandin Cooks. As for a Brees decline ... the only decline on the Saints offense involved the offensive line. Bringing in Max Unger at center is a HUGE upgrade. Another year's experience from Armstead and whomever is picked up via the draft will help cement the offensive hole and allow Brees to have the freedom in the pocket to once again be among the very best in every stat once again. jnormand likes this.

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03-17-2015, 08:52 PM	#26
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Have we really gotten worse compared to last year? Let's look at what we gave up. 1 Jimmy Graham - Definitely one of the best receivers in the league. But he's always injured. Yes he plays through it but he disappeared in some important games last year and he dropped?short armed some important passes last year and now we're hearing that he may have had some attitude issues. We got, An All-Pro center and a first round draft pick plus we dumped a huge contract that was going to haunt us for years. I think this deal makes us a better team. 2 Ben Grubbs, at one time he was a top notch guard but he was not that anymore but he was getting paid like it. We got a 5th and another huge break off the salary. Another win. 3 Curtis Lofton, a great team guy and an excellent 2 down run stuffer. But, he's very limited in the passing game. Can't cover and can't blitz. All we got out of this is cap relief but hopefully the addition of Eberle will lessen this loss of a class guy and a good football player. This move was unfortunate but necessary. 4 Kenny Stills, a great young prospect who looks to have a bright future ahead of him. Apparently there some attitude issues. There was talk at the end of the season from some of the vets about a lack of professionalism. Gotta believe Kenny was one of the guys they were talking about. We got a starting caliber LB for a great price and a third round pick. Hard to judge this trade at this point but if PTB judged that it needed to be done I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. 5 Cory White, Patrick Robinson, Travis Cadet, Tyrun Walker and probably some other guys I'm forgetting. Meh 6 Pierre Thomas, WAAAHHH..... I think we take the division.

03-17-2015, 09:17 PM	#27
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Originally Posted by CharityMike Imo..Brees will retire a Saint. and stay here as some part of our franchise , like Elway in Denver, hey why not. CharityMike likes this.

03-17-2015, 09:23 PM	#28
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Originally Posted by teddybarexxx right now our offense is totally depleted. drew doesnt have (in my opinion) any wr'ing threat to throw too, also i saw some declination on drews' behalf for 2 years now. he's not as accurate as he used too and his throws doesnt seems to have that zip to em any more. now is drew still a good qb, of course he is. i just felt we should have been grooming a qb under sp's and drew regime. now with no offensive (wr'ing) threats hey let drew go, free up this money and lets get a young qb with young players around him and who knows we may have an andrew luck or russel wilson awaiting us. a lot of drews bad plays and hurry ups that cause bad plays are reflextion of the line he has protecting him teddybare. give the man that 1 more second to read and its back to a superbowl.

03-17-2015, 10:46 PM	#29
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future Where does this guy get his information about Rita's intentions?!? If his sources are the local media with him giving quid pro quo on the national media scene, then that's ****ed because the local media is the epitome of yes men to the Benson Entertainment Machine... If Rita somehow prevails and throws the golddigger to the curve, I'll laugh my collective arse off when she personally offers Payton a contract extension, for life...

03-17-2015, 11:43 PM	#30
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: As Sean Payton remakes roster, big questions arise about Saints' future The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Only because these talking heads want it to.

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