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as an auburn fan-I'll tell you straight up..he's a less arrogant aaron brooks-inconsistent as sin...

this guy is going to be a bust for someone.

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Key words: Also I think you are way off about him being inconsistent. Here are his career stats.

PASSING G Att- Cmp- Int Yds TD Lg Pct Avg/P Avg/G Effic
2001................ 9 142- 89- 4 1117 4 72 62.7 7.9 124.1 132.4
2002................ 13 149- 94- 5 1215 11 54 63.1 8.2 93.5 149.2
2003................ 13 293- 181- 8 2267 10 68 61.8 7.7 174.4 132.6
2004................ 13 270- 188- 7 2700 20 87 69.6 10.0 207.7 172.9
TOTAL............... 48 854- 552- 24 7299 45 87 64.6 8.5 152.1 148.2

Look at his efficiency, TD to INT ratio and completion percentages. He is ALWAYS over 60% and this year close to 70. He would be a great 3rd round pick for the Saints and an immediate challenge to the incumbent. I would love to have him.

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don\'t look at the overall stats-look at his individual game stats and watch him play in the game footage-he is not a very good decision maker and has been very inconsisent while at auburn.

Cambell has very much benifited from a good group of wideouts and good rb\'s--rudy johnson, brown, and cadillac. This has been cambells most effective year-and still in the big games he comes up short--like versus virgina tech-in the red zone three times-over throws the ball two of them...fails to score in all three.

During the bama game he looked like ned in the first reader in the first half..he came on in the second..but was awfull in the first.

Cambell is also not a leader-he isnt\' very vocal, and didn\'t lead that offense-or pull them back together during games.

Cambell has the physical gifts-but I have followed him since high school waiting for those to translate onto the feild-and they haven\'t-don\'t mistake one good season for a good player. just like, I hope we don\'t look at someone like Greene who has enjoyed alot of success, but doens\'t have the physical makeup.

cambell is a very nice guy...but he isn\'t football savy enough to really translate into more than a talented backup player in the pros.


[Edited on 21/1/2005 by baronm]

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He looks more like a 5th - 6th rounder to me. Does anyone still remember Damian Craig? This is his clone.

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Bring an LSU fan, I have seen Campbell play and I like him. You said:

This is Leon to a, BUT he is an arrogant jerk.

Here is Campbell\'s individual game stats from this year:

Played very well against LSU, UGA, and Tenn twice, all top flight schools. And I would prefer overthrows in the red zone to INTs and funmbles which lend to zero points. I also want a guy the team likes under center, not a self-centered self promoter. Like I said, I strongly disagree. I think Campbell would be an excellent choice if he is there in the 3rd. Even if he is Leon without the arrogance, I count that as a plus.

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Saw Damayeune Craig play as well. No way is he in the same league as Campbell. Craig was a bonehead, and much much much more inconsistent than Campbell.

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definitly better than craig and a nicer person than leard....

IN the third or fourth I would go with him...maybe-he would be on par with brooks talent wise, but smarter and a better person cambell would be. I\'m just afraid that some team-like us-will try to pick him up with a higher pick...which I guess was what my point was...and I think that would be a mistake.

honestly-i don\'t like any of the sec quarterbacks this year..and could very well be fooled about cambell-it could be more tubberville than cambell\'s fault (which is possible)--hey, I was fooled by crouch...

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I agree, we should not go after him early. At any cost. But if he is there in the 3rd, that would be a no brainer pick to me. We need someone under center with at least accountability and a concept of what \"TEAM\" is. I am tired of these guys with little character on the team. I am ready for a change, no matter how much \"talent\" this player is supposed to have. Let\'s get some character guys who understand that the players around them are there to fight with them, not to take the balme for their faults and be thrown under the bus. And I am tiredof this no competition for Leon thing. Enough. Let that smug punk face a challenge for his job and see how he reacts. No more free rides.

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well-when does potential become bust? I mean brooks has been QB for how long now? the definition on insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results.

I really hope we go for atleast one qb in this draft and don\'t ship him off..better yet, draft a qb then spend some FA money on a decent if not spectacular qb-kilna maybe.

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Both Campbell and Craig were mobile, threw a fabolous deep ball, accurate, and a gun for an arm. Don\'t get me wrong I\'m not comparing Campbell to Craig as an insult, because I was very high on Craig when he got drafted as a Panther. What I meant is I feel Campbell is going to get the same fate as Craig. I feel the are two of the same mold.

One thing about Campbell is he\'s not a fiery guy. I don\'t think that w/o a running game, he can win a game with his arm. He to me looks like a career backup w/ all the potential in the world a la Craig, Davey, etc... I honestly can\'t rank him above Frye, Orlovsky, or Walters. So basically unless someone pulls a Quincy Carter like Dallas did a year ago, I see him getting picked up in the second day. Third? Just my opinion is a little high. 4th-6th a little more likely. I get a bigger margin for error since you guys are intent of him going higher! :cool:

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Oh yea one more thing, I don\'t think we have to worry about the Saints drafting a quality quarterback. If we remember we did draft Bulger in the 6th I believe? and O\'Sullivan 5-7th rounder? I don\'t recall but it was somewhere late late in the draft. It\'s just a matter of KEEPING OUR TALENT RATHER THAN LET THEM START FOR SOMEONE ELSE! Horrible decision making letting them go by our front office. If we have the balls to draft them, don\'t let them succeed somewhere else. Bulger, Delhomme, O\'Sullivan.... sigh...

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baronm, no argument from me. I know what Leon is and what he isn\'t, and that\'s why O am ready for a change.

papz, does Leon seem like a fiery guy to you? Not at all, never. Never happens. Joe Montana wasn\'t a fiery guy either. Worked out well for him. On Campbell and Craig, Campbell is already better than Craig, and has shown improvement year to year. That to me is a big factor as to why he will fare better in the NFL. Campbell is also better than Rohan Davey, who by the way lit the world on fire in the Europe league ala Jake Delhomme and whom New England, the best team in football, are quite confident in as their back-up. I\'ll take that.

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agreed-we should have kept delhomme and traded brooks.

I don\'t think-in cambells case-it\'s a lack of intensity..i think it\'s that he has never been taught how to be a quarterback-he ran the ball in high school mostly, then when he got to college he showed an arm-but has never showed that he can be the leader of the team.

the virginia tech and alabama first half fiascos this year were directly cambell not making good decisions--we did fine when we ran the ball, just not when cambell was asked to throw it.

as one evaluator put it:

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Trust me I follow Davey and I know he lit the NFL Europe league apart. Saying Campbell is better is a little premature don\'t you think? He had a breakout year as a senior kind of too early to hype him up so much. Davey has proved himself not only in college but NFL Europe while Campbell only has his senior year.

Let\'s not use Montana and Campbell in the same sentence. That doesn\'t sound right. Campbell is just not a leader to me. AU was solid because of their two first round running back and outstanding defense. Like I said he has had only one great year, his senior year. I don\'t feel as if it\'s good enough to dramatically raise his draft stock. If he were to leave last year, I\'m pretty sure he wouldn\'t have even got drafted. Barring great workouts, low round pick. Hey but everyone has their views and we just feel strongly about our opinions. ;)

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I think cambell will wow somebody in his workouts and they will pick him 3rd or 4th round..maybe higher with some of the GMs out there.

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Very good point baronm, I was going to state the Virginia Tech game in my opinion but I thought I was going to be bias so I didn\'t. But now since you agree, that\'s exactly how I feel and the quote from the evaluator is also what I\'m saying.

Remember his physical gifts are there, but he doesn\'t have it all together and it\'s still raw. Therefore he won\'t go high. Just like Talman Gardner we drafted in the 7th round. The guy runs a 4.4 and he\'s 6\'1 with great hands. You can\'t draft just on potential therefore he went late.

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Okay papz. Let\'s get deep. I am saying Campbell as a college qb is better than Davey was as a college qb, then I said look how Davey turned out. No reason to believe since Campbell is a better college qb than Davey, he won;t develop into a good pro.

Also on Montana, you said Campbell isn\'t a fiery leader. I said Montana wasn\'t also. I didn\'t say Campbell could win or throw or lead like Montana, I said he wasn\'t a fiery leader and he turned out okay. Just making a point about fiery and not fiery leaders. I understand Jeff George to be a fiery leader, where has that gotten him?

Third, Alabama has a good D, as well as Va. Tech. But in essence, you are saying Campbell should NEVER have a bad game. Okay. Name me a college qb who has NEVER had a bad game. Campbell was pretty damn good against UGA, LSU and Tenn twice.

Also, I can name several qbs who had 1 good year in college and went first round. Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, Carson Palmer, David Carr. All got put on the map cause of their senior seasons. So to say the 3rd is a stretch, well, these guys went in the first and weren\'t on undefeated teams.

Talman Gardner had many off the field problems before he was drafted. That\'s why he dropped. Randy Moss didn\'t go until the 20th pick for the same reason. And Talman ain\'t no Randy.

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You make very valid points and entitled to your opinions. I respect that. Just my opinion on him. Do you honestly believe he can carry a team on his shoulders? I really don\'t so therefore I don\'t consider him a 3rd rounder.

The difference is those quarterbacks you listed were HIGHLY touted and had wonderful pre-draft workouts. It\'s still premature and you could be right. If he has great workouts, I mean he definately has the talent, he might shoot up the draft boards and become a second rounder. Let\'s just wait and see... because I\'m definately not a Campbell hater. If he can do it, great for him I\'m all for it. Everyone has to start somewhere no matter where they are drafted.

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Also, I can name several qbs who had 1 good year in college and went first round. Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, Carson Palmer, David Carr. All got put on the map cause of their senior seasons. So to say the 3rd is a stretch, well, these guys went in the first and weren\'t on undefeated teams.

In responce to this point, I want to say I agree completely. When a QB has \"potential\" in college all it seems to take is one good senior year. One other point I would like to make is Campbell finally had a good OC in Auburn this year. A good QB Coach made the difference for Boller and Palmer. It is hard for a QB to have consistency when the offence as a whole doesn\'t. Campbel has had a Different OC the last 4 years. He excelled under the West Coast offence, that featured a good running game. Isn\'t that what the Saints run? I think he would be a good draft pick on the first day.

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I\'d put money on him not going on the first day ;) ...or rather Saints tickets.

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He will go on the first day, and it better be to us. Hopefully we can acquire more picks by working out a franchise and trade for Darren Howard then we better take a shot at him.

And SaintsCraig makes good points about him having 4 different OCs in 4 years, and this year he put it together in an NFL type offense. I am loving this kid more and more.

Also papz ask youself, when has Leon put this team on his shoulders? He only seems able to blame them for his faults. Brad Johnson didn\'t have the Bucs on his shoulders. Jake didn\'t have the Panthers on his shoulders until the Superbowl, where he was outstanding. Trent Dilfer didn\'t have Baltimore on his shoulders at any point. The Steelers aren\'t on the shoulders of Ben. So I have to wonder if that really matters.

[Edited on 21/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

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Screw Leon dammit! LOL!

Brad Johnson went to the ProBowl... Dilfer had the best defense... Ben has a great defense... Campbell to Saints in the 3rd = poop. And look at Jake\'s stats in the superbowl...

Franchising Howard and then trading is a very good idea. At least we won\'t lose him and get no compensation like what happened with Joe Johnson.

Let\'s just wait til the draft and see where he lands. Like I said before I\'m all for him being drafted high, but I don\'t think he will. Pre-draft workouts is all I have to say. If it makes you guys feel better, I hope he proves me wrong because he does have a lot of \"potential.\"

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We don\'t need another AB look alike.

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I don\'t like Jason Campbell. Sure, he had a nice season this year, but does anyone remember how he looked just last year? Even my friends who are Auburn fans were cursing him at every turn.

He simply falls apart under pressure, much like our buddy AB. This year, Auburn managed to find a way to reduce the pressure put on him - largely by finally utilizing their RB talent and allowing Campbell to make quick, short passes - and he responded with his first solid season.

He indeed has posted a few nice stat lines, but we\'ve all agreed (when discussing AB) that stats don\'t necessarily make the man. Campbell\'s a screw-up ... I\'d rather see how that Kingsbury kid develops...

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We normally agree mutey, but I have to disagree on this one. If anything the kid grew up this year. And if he is AB without the attitude and bone-headed plays, why wouldn\'t we want that? Instant upgrade. 4 different OCs and offeensive philosophies will doom anyone. In the majority of the big games, he showed up, unlike Leon. I think the kid has a definite future and would love to see it be here.

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Yeah whodi, it was about time we disagreed again. ;)

There\'s just something about JC that makes me leary of him, and I think it\'s simply a hangup. I know he had a great season this year - and I\'m willing to accept that as growing up - but I just remember how awful he looked in 2003. Granted, that had much to do with the lack of protection and the failure to utilize the strengths of Auburn\'s offense (the RB\'s, most obviously), but he really didn\'t handle pressure well prior to the 2004 season. Al Bourgis was a godsend to Campbell\'s career, as we\'d not even be talking about JC if Auburn hadn\'t hired him before this season.

It\'s tough to knock a QB who went 13-0, especially when that QB is in the SEC. I\'m willing to give JC a chance, just don\'t want to reach too high for him. I wouldn\'t draft him before round 4. His one good season simply wasn\'t enough to make me forget his earlier fiascos.

I\'ll also acknowledge that JC kept his job in spite of 4 different OC\'s in his college days ... a stunning accomplishment. At least it\'s certain he was the best QB on the plains the last 4 years. And as a Crimson Tide fan, I can\'t deny that JC\'s posted an impressive record against us.

I\'m absolutely willing to give JC a chance, I\'m simply afraid he won\'t make it. A 3rd round pick seems a little high to me...

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I hear what you are saying, but look at his career stats. Even with the ever changing offensive philosophies, he still ALWAYS completed over 60% of his passes, and this year it was close to 70. That is huge. As I pointed out earlier, many qbs who have been drafted FIRST ROUND used excellent senior seasons to attain that status. Main example is Kyle Boller, but I gave a few others. I will agree he appears to be in AB\'s mold, but even in the big games I didn\'t see him make the stupid mistakes. I am just looking for a qb who will minimize mistakes and run the offense, I am not looking for Vick or Manning or McNabb. We don\'t have that right now anyway, I just don\'t see from what I saw out of Campbell how it could be WORSE.

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Although he you don\'t see him making mistakes, like I said before, nor could he carry his team on his shoulders. 4th - 5th rounder is the best bet. My sentiments exactly mutineer10.

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Show me when the qb we have has carried this team on his shoulders. Then show me when Delhomme did it other than the Superbowl. Then show me when Bard Johnson and Trent Dilfer did it. Notice a trend? You don\'t need a qb qith the team on his shoulders, basically you need a qb who avoids the dumb mistakes and does his job. The qb we have fails on both fronts. I have yet to see this from Campbell. So as teams recently have won superbowls with less than dominant qbs, that carry a team on his shoulders deal carries no weight for me.

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Fitzpatrick from Harvard is a better pick than Cambell...much better!

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agreed-we should have kept delhomme and traded brooks.




yea if we could have traded for the panthers D. Jake or Ab we would still have the same results. They had a top 3 D last year and the top special teams unit. That is what got em to the SB!