we should not draft cambell

baronm · 01-21-2005, 10:23 AM

as an auburn fan-I'll tell you straight up..he's a less arrogant aaron brooks-inconsistent as sin...

this guy is going to be a bust for someone.

saintswhodi · 01-21-2005, 10:48 AM

Key words:

less arrogant

Also I think you are way off about him being inconsistent. Here are his career stats.

PASSING G Att- Cmp- Int Yds TD Lg Pct Avg/P Avg/G Effic
2001................ 9 142- 89- 4 1117 4 72 62.7 7.9 124.1 132.4
2002................ 13 149- 94- 5 1215 11 54 63.1 8.2 93.5 149.2
2003................ 13 293- 181- 8 2267 10 68 61.8 7.7 174.4 132.6
2004................ 13 270- 188- 7 2700 20 87 69.6 10.0 207.7 172.9
TOTAL............... 48 854- 552- 24 7299 45 87 64.6 8.5 152.1 148.2

Look at his efficiency, TD to INT ratio and completion percentages. He is ALWAYS over 60% and this year close to 70. He would be a great 3rd round pick for the Saints and an immediate challenge to the incumbent. I would love to have him.

baronm · 01-21-2005, 10:55 AM

don\'t look at the overall stats-look at his individual game stats and watch him play in the game footage-he is not a very good decision maker and has been very inconsisent while at auburn.

Cambell has very much benifited from a good group of wideouts and good rb\'s--rudy johnson, brown, and cadillac. This has been cambells most effective year-and still in the big games he comes up short--like versus virgina tech-in the red zone three times-over throws the ball two of them...fails to score in all three.

During the bama game he looked like ned in the first reader in the first half..he came on in the second..but was awfull in the first.

Cambell is also not a leader-he isnt\' very vocal, and didn\'t lead that offense-or pull them back together during games.

Cambell has the physical gifts-but I have followed him since high school waiting for those to translate onto the feild-and they haven\'t-don\'t mistake one good season for a good player. just like, I hope we don\'t look at someone like Greene who has enjoyed alot of success, but doens\'t have the physical makeup.

cambell is a very nice guy...but he isn\'t football savy enough to really translate into more than a talented backup player in the pros.

[Edited on 21/1/2005 by baronm]

papz · 01-21-2005, 11:00 AM

He looks more like a 5th - 6th rounder to me. Does anyone still remember Damian Craig? This is his clone.

saintswhodi · 01-21-2005, 11:01 AM

Bring an LSU fan, I have seen Campbell play and I like him. You said:

Cambell is also not a leader-he isnt\' very vocal, and didn\'t lead that offense-or pull them back together during games.

This is Leon to a, BUT he is an arrogant jerk.

Here is Campbell\'s individual game stats from this year:

#17 Jason Campbell Att Comp Int Pct Yards TD Long Sack-Yds Effic
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ULM................... 18 11 1 61.1 110 2 32 1-10 138.00
Mississippi State..... 17 8 0 47.1 139 3 58 0-0 173.98
LSU................... 27 16 0 59.3 170 1 30 2-14 124.37
Citadel............... 14 11 0 78.6 194 0 42 0-0 194.97
Tennessee............. 23 16 1 69.6 252 2 46 1-6 181.60
Louisiana Tech........ 18 13 0 72.2 201 2 87 3-26 202.69
Arkansas.............. 19 17 0 89.5 297 3 67 0-0 272.88
Kentucky.............. 15 11 0 73.3 127 0 25 2-19 144.45
Ole Miss.............. 22 11 1 50.0 234 1 57 0-0 145.25
UGA................... 22 18 1 81.8 189 1 34 0-0 159.89
Alabama Crimson Tide.. 24 18 1 75.0 224 1 51 1-5 158.82
Tennessee............. 35 27 1 77.1 374 3 56 1-5 189.47
Virginia Tech......... 16 11 1 68.8 189 1 53 2-17 176.10
TOTALS................ 270 188 7 69.6 2700 20 87 13-102 172.89

Played very well against LSU, UGA, and Tenn twice, all top flight schools. And I would prefer overthrows in the red zone to INTs and funmbles which lend to zero points. I also want a guy the team likes under center, not a self-centered self promoter. Like I said, I strongly disagree. I think Campbell would be an excellent choice if he is there in the 3rd. Even if he is Leon without the arrogance, I count that as a plus.

saintswhodi · 01-21-2005, 11:02 AM

Saw Damayeune Craig play as well. No way is he in the same league as Campbell. Craig was a bonehead, and much much much more inconsistent than Campbell.

baronm · 01-21-2005, 11:09 AM

definitly better than craig and a nicer person than leard....

IN the third or fourth I would go with him...maybe-he would be on par with brooks talent wise, but smarter and a better person cambell would be. I\'m just afraid that some team-like us-will try to pick him up with a higher pick...which I guess was what my point was...and I think that would be a mistake.

honestly-i don\'t like any of the sec quarterbacks this year..and could very well be fooled about cambell-it could be more tubberville than cambell\'s fault (which is possible)--hey, I was fooled by crouch...

saintswhodi · 01-21-2005, 11:15 AM

I agree, we should not go after him early. At any cost. But if he is there in the 3rd, that would be a no brainer pick to me. We need someone under center with at least accountability and a concept of what \"TEAM\" is. I am tired of these guys with little character on the team. I am ready for a change, no matter how much \"talent\" this player is supposed to have. Let\'s get some character guys who understand that the players around them are there to fight with them, not to take the balme for their faults and be thrown under the bus. And I am tiredof this no competition for Leon thing. Enough. Let that smug punk face a challenge for his job and see how he reacts. No more free rides.

baronm · 01-21-2005, 11:22 AM

well-when does potential become bust? I mean brooks has been QB for how long now? the definition on insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results.

I really hope we go for atleast one qb in this draft and don\'t ship him off..better yet, draft a qb then spend some FA money on a decent if not spectacular qb-kilna maybe.

papz · 01-21-2005, 11:23 AM

Both Campbell and Craig were mobile, threw a fabolous deep ball, accurate, and a gun for an arm. Don\'t get me wrong I\'m not comparing Campbell to Craig as an insult, because I was very high on Craig when he got drafted as a Panther. What I meant is I feel Campbell is going to get the same fate as Craig. I feel the are two of the same mold.

One thing about Campbell is he\'s not a fiery guy. I don\'t think that w/o a running game, he can win a game with his arm. He to me looks like a career backup w/ all the potential in the world a la Craig, Davey, etc... I honestly can\'t rank him above Frye, Orlovsky, or Walters. So basically unless someone pulls a Quincy Carter like Dallas did a year ago, I see him getting picked up in the second day. Third? Just my opinion is a little high. 4th-6th a little more likely. I get a bigger margin for error since you guys are intent of him going higher!

01-21-2005, 10:23 AM	#1
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	we should not draft cambell as an auburn fan-I'll tell you straight up..he's a less arrogant aaron brooks-inconsistent as sin... this guy is going to be a bust for someone.
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01-21-2005, 10:48 AM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	we should not draft cambell Key words: less arrogant Also I think you are way off about him being inconsistent. Here are his career stats. PASSING G Att- Cmp- Int Yds TD Lg Pct Avg/P Avg/G Effic 2001................ 9 142- 89- 4 1117 4 72 62.7 7.9 124.1 132.4 2002................ 13 149- 94- 5 1215 11 54 63.1 8.2 93.5 149.2 2003................ 13 293- 181- 8 2267 10 68 61.8 7.7 174.4 132.6 2004................ 13 270- 188- 7 2700 20 87 69.6 10.0 207.7 172.9 TOTAL............... 48 854- 552- 24 7299 45 87 64.6 8.5 152.1 148.2 Look at his efficiency, TD to INT ratio and completion percentages. He is ALWAYS over 60% and this year close to 70. He would be a great 3rd round pick for the Saints and an immediate challenge to the incumbent. I would love to have him.

01-21-2005, 10:55 AM	#3
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	we should not draft cambell don\'t look at the overall stats-look at his individual game stats and watch him play in the game footage-he is not a very good decision maker and has been very inconsisent while at auburn. Cambell has very much benifited from a good group of wideouts and good rb\'s--rudy johnson, brown, and cadillac. This has been cambells most effective year-and still in the big games he comes up short--like versus virgina tech-in the red zone three times-over throws the ball two of them...fails to score in all three. During the bama game he looked like ned in the first reader in the first half..he came on in the second..but was awfull in the first. Cambell is also not a leader-he isnt\' very vocal, and didn\'t lead that offense-or pull them back together during games. Cambell has the physical gifts-but I have followed him since high school waiting for those to translate onto the feild-and they haven\'t-don\'t mistake one good season for a good player. just like, I hope we don\'t look at someone like Greene who has enjoyed alot of success, but doens\'t have the physical makeup. cambell is a very nice guy...but he isn\'t football savy enough to really translate into more than a talented backup player in the pros. [Edited on 21/1/2005 by baronm]
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01-21-2005, 11:00 AM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,755	we should not draft cambell He looks more like a 5th - 6th rounder to me. Does anyone still remember Damian Craig? This is his clone.

01-21-2005, 11:01 AM	#5
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	we should not draft cambell Bring an LSU fan, I have seen Campbell play and I like him. You said: Cambell is also not a leader-he isnt\' very vocal, and didn\'t lead that offense-or pull them back together during games. This is Leon to a, BUT he is an arrogant jerk. Here is Campbell\'s individual game stats from this year: #17 Jason Campbell Att Comp Int Pct Yards TD Long Sack-Yds Effic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ULM................... 18 11 1 61.1 110 2 32 1-10 138.00 Mississippi State..... 17 8 0 47.1 139 3 58 0-0 173.98 LSU................... 27 16 0 59.3 170 1 30 2-14 124.37 Citadel............... 14 11 0 78.6 194 0 42 0-0 194.97 Tennessee............. 23 16 1 69.6 252 2 46 1-6 181.60 Louisiana Tech........ 18 13 0 72.2 201 2 87 3-26 202.69 Arkansas.............. 19 17 0 89.5 297 3 67 0-0 272.88 Kentucky.............. 15 11 0 73.3 127 0 25 2-19 144.45 Ole Miss.............. 22 11 1 50.0 234 1 57 0-0 145.25 UGA................... 22 18 1 81.8 189 1 34 0-0 159.89 Alabama Crimson Tide.. 24 18 1 75.0 224 1 51 1-5 158.82 Tennessee............. 35 27 1 77.1 374 3 56 1-5 189.47 Virginia Tech......... 16 11 1 68.8 189 1 53 2-17 176.10 TOTALS................ 270 188 7 69.6 2700 20 87 13-102 172.89 Played very well against LSU, UGA, and Tenn twice, all top flight schools. And I would prefer overthrows in the red zone to INTs and funmbles which lend to zero points. I also want a guy the team likes under center, not a self-centered self promoter. Like I said, I strongly disagree. I think Campbell would be an excellent choice if he is there in the 3rd. Even if he is Leon without the arrogance, I count that as a plus.

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01-21-2005, 11:02 AM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	we should not draft cambell Saw Damayeune Craig play as well. No way is he in the same league as Campbell. Craig was a bonehead, and much much much more inconsistent than Campbell.

01-21-2005, 11:09 AM	#7
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	we should not draft cambell definitly better than craig and a nicer person than leard.... IN the third or fourth I would go with him...maybe-he would be on par with brooks talent wise, but smarter and a better person cambell would be. I\'m just afraid that some team-like us-will try to pick him up with a higher pick...which I guess was what my point was...and I think that would be a mistake. honestly-i don\'t like any of the sec quarterbacks this year..and could very well be fooled about cambell-it could be more tubberville than cambell\'s fault (which is possible)--hey, I was fooled by crouch...
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01-21-2005, 11:15 AM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	we should not draft cambell I agree, we should not go after him early. At any cost. But if he is there in the 3rd, that would be a no brainer pick to me. We need someone under center with at least accountability and a concept of what \"TEAM\" is. I am tired of these guys with little character on the team. I am ready for a change, no matter how much \"talent\" this player is supposed to have. Let\'s get some character guys who understand that the players around them are there to fight with them, not to take the balme for their faults and be thrown under the bus. And I am tiredof this no competition for Leon thing. Enough. Let that smug punk face a challenge for his job and see how he reacts. No more free rides.

01-21-2005, 11:22 AM	#9
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	we should not draft cambell well-when does potential become bust? I mean brooks has been QB for how long now? the definition on insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results. I really hope we go for atleast one qb in this draft and don\'t ship him off..better yet, draft a qb then spend some FA money on a decent if not spectacular qb-kilna maybe.
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01-21-2005, 11:23 AM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,755	we should not draft cambell Both Campbell and Craig were mobile, threw a fabolous deep ball, accurate, and a gun for an arm. Don\'t get me wrong I\'m not comparing Campbell to Craig as an insult, because I was very high on Craig when he got drafted as a Panther. What I meant is I feel Campbell is going to get the same fate as Craig. I feel the are two of the same mold. One thing about Campbell is he\'s not a fiery guy. I don\'t think that w/o a running game, he can win a game with his arm. He to me looks like a career backup w/ all the potential in the world a la Craig, Davey, etc... I honestly can\'t rank him above Frye, Orlovsky, or Walters. So basically unless someone pulls a Quincy Carter like Dallas did a year ago, I see him getting picked up in the second day. Third? Just my opinion is a little high. 4th-6th a little more likely. I get a bigger margin for error since you guys are intent of him going higher!
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