Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

I am still really high on Vaccaro, and hopefully Byrd can return to the form he showed w the Bills. My question is what's it gonna take for these guys to really shine? There's no reason why we shouldnt have the top-rated secondary in the NFL.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

I think they will be fine as long as we produce a pass rush. Hopefully we can get faster linebackers also. Im still at a loss why we was so bad on D last year.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

That's easy!

Improved pressure from the D-Line, better tackling from the linebackers, and most importantly better play from the corners... If we get solid play from the cornerback position, Byrd will not have to worry about holding P-Rob's or White's hand anymore because they couldn't cover worth a damn...

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

I agree with both of you. My underlying question is whether Rob Ryan is dropping the ball on developing some of these players or developing a solid identity for our D

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

Same things that always help safeties shine... Better pass rush and coverage. Oh, and also officially making Vacarro the nickel CB and using a left/right safety setup with Byrd and Warren would be a good idea.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

Evidently the issue is far deeper the Ryan...I can't think of one defensive player that we have truly developed over the past decade.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

I think that's just kind of the way it is when a team has an offense-minded head coach calling all the shots. Could be worse... The Jets had a defense-minded coach in Rex Ryan and they couldn't develop an offensive player to save their lives. It's hard to find that balance.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

I am still low on Vaccarro. He does have talent, I admit and I love the attitude ha plays with. I hope he proves me wrong. The secondary does look loaded though. Payton's not playing anymore though, he'll have to earn a starting spot. Hopefully the front 7 can get pressure and stop the run. Then the secondary can really shine.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

Ryan is what he is nothing more and do not expect it change.

Byrd needs a little more talent in the secondary to truly start doing his thing. much better than last year so things are looking up.

Hell we have so many SS on the roster we have them playing FS also. One of them has to workout if not start trimming. picks or not

Kenny is an issue that hinders Byrd. THAT needs to improve ASAP. That or get what you can for the guy and bring in some one that helps maximize that contract you are paying Byrd.

I have Kenny on a short leash myself.

Kenny needs to step up or step out of the picture all together.

Saints also need to still add another 1 or 2 quality CB

We need to build in order to get a solid return on the 20 million dollar Byrd man.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

If healthy Kenny Phillips will start at SS. I like Sunseri as Phillips back-up and Warren as Byrds back-up. Vaccaro has to show he can play better than last season or trade him.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

Vaccarro will be fine. Especially with a little help up front and some corners that are half way decent.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

I like Vaccaro but we are deep at SS(not so much with FS though). Surely one of these players can develop into a starter at SS which would make Vaccaro expendable if he has trade value. I hate to use a first round draft pick as a nickel back. Don't get me wrong I still have hope for him to get back to his first years production......but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

KV coming into his 3rd season... Everyone was terrible on D last year.... He will be starting SS I don't think Payton n Ryan have gave up on the guy yet...

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

Those initials "KV" bring back bad memories!

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

I'm not so sure. Kenny V was still tackling (on the tackles he does make) with his head down, looked slow and played out of position. I understand he was coming off an injury but he will be on a short leash this year.

Watch out for Sunseri to make a splash in 2015.

Re: Kenny Vaccaro & Jarius Byrd
 

Don't Byrd, Bush and Warren all play Free Safety? Again, I don't like KV too much. He is an aggressive, hard hitter with decent ball skills, but he lacks speed, takes bad angles a lot and misses tackles way too often. I hope he proves me way wrong, but I think he'll be hard pressed to start this year.