Shane Ray, Pot

lee909 · 04-28-2015, 08:09 AM

I still have issues with Beasley. Pre combine he was a pick 10-20 then post good numbers and suddenly is a potential top 5 pick. Also his weight,its one think putting on 15lb for the combine its another holding that weigjt through the season. I dont like the thought of giving up two first rounders that it could well take.

hagan714 · 04-28-2015, 09:46 AM

bad news is with all them doping the draft up all the players we talk about will be off the board.

so trading down from 13 seems to be a better idea with each passing day.

I am liking the round 1 talent more and more in 2016. so stocking piling picks in 2016 looks to be more appealing than ever as this draft goes up in smoke with all the head cases in 2015

I am to the point trade both round 1. get firsts and seconds in 2016 and load up with 2nd round picks this year which is about were this draft talent really should start at

arsaint · 04-28-2015, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I am to the point trade both round 1. get firsts and seconds in 2016 and load up with 2nd round picks this year which is about were this draft talent really should start at

While the argument could be made for this, I can't see Loomis/Payton basically bowing out on the 1st round following a 7-9 campaign.

Not to say either is on the hot seat, but if they do what you are suggesting and the team struggles again with this more favorable schedule, they could find their seats warm in 2016.

Brees will be gone after 2015 if 2015 doesn't result in a minimum of 2 playoff games for the Saints.

Then you're really pressed to win - trying to find a QB that can hold his jock

|Mitch| · 04-28-2015, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

Brees will be gone after 2015 if 2015 doesn't result in a minimum of 2 playoff games for the Saints.

Disagree; Brees will be here until he decides to retire... Even after he retires as a player, he will have the opportunity to be in the organization if he so chooses

brees84 · 04-28-2015, 12:31 PM

"Dion Jordan, 3rd pick in 2013, is being suspended for 2015 season for another substance abuse policy violation, league sources told ESPN."

Yeah, draft these guys (ray...) What could go wrong?

|Mitch| · 04-28-2015, 12:36 PM

NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Total picks: 9
Top-50 picks: 3
Top-100 picks: 5

Outlook: The Saints paid a price to have five picks among the top 78 selections, trading away Pro Bowl tight end Jimmy Graham and a promising young receiver in Kenny Stills. So the team has added need at those positions. And word around the league is that Sean Payton has put a renewed emphasis this year on finding the right type of guys, from a character standpoint, which could be a little limiting. But there's no question that Payton and GM Mickey Loomis are in prime position to rebuild the defense and the interior of the offensive line -- and maybe move around the board some, too -- with this impressive war chest of draft capital.

I don't think we have to worry about "issues", not this year...

Mr.Riaton · 04-28-2015, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

"Dion Jordan, 3rd pick in 2013, is being suspended for 2015 season for another substance abuse policy violation, league sources told ESPN."

Yeah, draft these guys (ray...) What could go wrong?

Truth is,anybody we draft can have problems that nobody knows about until one day during their career something comes up.We've had our share of issues on our team in the past with players. Will Smith was suspended at least once that I can think of for using PED's and was in the news for domestic abouse,and who knew Joe Morgan was an alcoholic?lol But as far as Ray...I really didn't want the Saints picking him anyway.

voodooido · 04-28-2015, 01:09 PM

I would love Ray at 31.

13: Gregory DE/OLB
31:Ray DE/OLB
rd 2: AJ Cann OG-----SC
rd 3: Paul Dawson ILB-----TCU
rd 3: Tyler Lockett WR-----KSU
rd 5:Senquez Golson CB-----Ole Miss
rd 5:Antwan Goodley WR-----Baylor
rd 6:Justin Hamilton DT-----ULL
rd 7:Blaine Causell OT/OG-----Miss St.
rd 7:Justin Manton PK-----ULM

spkb25 · 04-28-2015, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Truth is,anybody we draft can have problems that nobody knows about until one day during their career something comes up.We've had our share of issues on our team in the past with players. Will Smith was suspended at least once that I can think of for using PED's and was in the news for domestic abouse,and who knew Joe Morgan was an alcoholic?lol But as far as Ray...I really didn't want the Saints picking him anyway.

that's true, and why it is even worse if you select someone knowing they come to you wit past issues, youre just begging for thm to screw you.

Wasn't Smith's PED thing overturned or something or it was starcaps or some crap?

nola_swammi · 04-29-2015, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

that's true, and why it is even worse if you select someone knowing they come to you wit past issues, youre just begging for thm to screw you.

Wasn't Smith's PED thing overturned or something or it was starcaps or some crap?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_...(defensive_end)

On December 2, 2008, Smith was one of six players suspended for use of Bumetanide a diuretic, which can be used as a masking agent for steroid use. It is believed that the diuretic was found in StarCaps, a weight-loss supplement that he had been taking.

04-28-2015, 08:09 AM	#1
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Shane Ray, Pot I still have issues with Beasley. Pre combine he was a pick 10-20 then post good numbers and suddenly is a potential top 5 pick. Also his weight,its one think putting on 15lb for the combine its another holding that weigjt through the season. I dont like the thought of giving up two first rounders that it could well take. Danno likes this.

04-28-2015, 09:46 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Shane Ray, Pot bad news is with all them doping the draft up all the players we talk about will be off the board. so trading down from 13 seems to be a better idea with each passing day. I am liking the round 1 talent more and more in 2016. so stocking piling picks in 2016 looks to be more appealing than ever as this draft goes up in smoke with all the head cases in 2015 I am to the point trade both round 1. get firsts and seconds in 2016 and load up with 2nd round picks this year which is about were this draft talent really should start at foreverfan likes this.
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04-28-2015, 11:13 AM	#3
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,742	Re: Shane Ray, Pot Originally Posted by hagan714 I am to the point trade both round 1. get firsts and seconds in 2016 and load up with 2nd round picks this year which is about were this draft talent really should start at While the argument could be made for this, I can't see Loomis/Payton basically bowing out on the 1st round following a 7-9 campaign. Not to say either is on the hot seat, but if they do what you are suggesting and the team struggles again with this more favorable schedule, they could find their seats warm in 2016. Brees will be gone after 2015 if 2015 doesn't result in a minimum of 2 playoff games for the Saints. Then you're really pressed to win - trying to find a QB that can hold his jock Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-28-2015, 12:28 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Shane Ray, Pot Originally Posted by arsaint Brees will be gone after 2015 if 2015 doesn't result in a minimum of 2 playoff games for the Saints. Disagree; Brees will be here until he decides to retire... Even after he retires as a player, he will have the opportunity to be in the organization if he so chooses

04-28-2015, 12:31 PM	#5
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Shane Ray, Pot "Dion Jordan, 3rd pick in 2013, is being suspended for 2015 season for another substance abuse policy violation, league sources told ESPN." Yeah, draft these guys (ray...) What could go wrong?
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04-28-2015, 12:36 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Shane Ray, Pot NEW ORLEANS SAINTS Total picks: 9 Top-50 picks: 3 Top-100 picks: 5 Outlook: The Saints paid a price to have five picks among the top 78 selections, trading away Pro Bowl tight end Jimmy Graham and a promising young receiver in Kenny Stills. So the team has added need at those positions. *And word around the league is that Sean Payton has put a renewed emphasis this year on finding the right type of guys, from a character standpoint, which could be a little limiting.* But there's no question that Payton and GM Mickey Loomis are in prime position to rebuild the defense and the interior of the offensive line -- and maybe move around the board some, too -- with this impressive war chest of draft capital. I don't think we have to worry about "issues", not this year...

04-28-2015, 12:43 PM	#7
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Shane Ray, Pot Originally Posted by brees84 "Dion Jordan, 3rd pick in 2013, is being suspended for 2015 season for another substance abuse policy violation, league sources told ESPN." Yeah, draft these guys (ray...) What could go wrong? Truth is,anybody we draft can have problems that nobody knows about until one day during their career something comes up.We've had our share of issues on our team in the past with players. Will Smith was suspended at least once that I can think of for using PED's and was in the news for domestic abouse,and who knew Joe Morgan was an alcoholic?lol But as far as Ray...I really didn't want the Saints picking him anyway.

04-28-2015, 01:09 PM	#8
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,842	Re: Shane Ray, Pot I would love Ray at 31. 13: Gregory DE/OLB 31:Ray DE/OLB rd 2: AJ Cann OG-----SC rd 3: Paul Dawson ILB-----TCU rd 3: Tyler Lockett WR-----KSU rd 5:Senquez Golson CB-----Ole Miss rd 5:Antwan Goodley WR-----Baylor rd 6:Justin Hamilton DT-----ULL rd 7:Blaine Causell OT/OG-----Miss St. rd 7:Justin Manton PK-----ULM
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04-28-2015, 07:37 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Shane Ray, Pot Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Truth is,anybody we draft can have problems that nobody knows about until one day during their career something comes up.We've had our share of issues on our team in the past with players. Will Smith was suspended at least once that I can think of for using PED's and was in the news for domestic abouse,and who knew Joe Morgan was an alcoholic?lol But as far as Ray...I really didn't want the Saints picking him anyway. that's true, and why it is even worse if you select someone knowing they come to you wit past issues, youre just begging for thm to screw you. Wasn't Smith's PED thing overturned or something or it was starcaps or some crap?

04-29-2015, 01:24 AM	#10
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Shane Ray, Pot Originally Posted by spkb25 that's true, and why it is even worse if you select someone knowing they come to you wit past issues, youre just begging for thm to screw you. Wasn't Smith's PED thing overturned or something or it was starcaps or some crap? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_...(defensive_end) On December 2, 2008, Smith was one of six players suspended for use of Bumetanide a diuretic, which can be used as a masking agent for steroid use. It is believed that the diuretic was found in StarCaps, a weight-loss supplement that he had been taking. spkb25 likes this.

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