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Lenny100 04-27-2015 11:11 PM

Saints Move into Top 5 via Trade with AFC Team
 
How & Why Saints Should Acquire a Top 5 Pick:

The New Orleans Saints are not going to draft Randy Gregory, Dorial Green-Beckham or Marcus Peters. Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis have made broad, sweeping changes to the culture, atmosphere and locker room leadership this off season with a strong emphasis on professionalism and performance. Gregory, Green-Beckham and Peters do not exemplify the leadership and maturity Payton and Loomis insist on having inside the Saints facilities, on the practice fields and away from the game. Therefore, the Saints will not draft any one of these three perceived character risks in this year’s draft.

I believe it’s in the Saints best interests to trade DE Cameron Jordan, DT Broderick Bunkley and SS Rafael Bush – and possibly more – to a team in the top 5 of this year’s draft. Here’s why.

Jordan is expecting top-end money similar to that of Robert Quinn who received a four-year deal with almost $42M guaranteed with about $66M in potential earnings. Jordan is making $7M this season through his fifth-year option while his counterpart at RDE, Junior Gallette, is enjoying a four-year agreement that is worth up to $41.5M with about $17M guaranteed. Various NFL media reporters state Jordan and his agent are in discussions with the Saints about a new long-term deal. Payton has acknowledged the same. However, it appears the two sides have a gulf between them in terms of dollars and cents. As a result, it may be ideal time to get full market value for Jordan while acquiring a high pick for him.

Playing alongside the aforementioned Jordan is the underperforming DT Broderick Bunkley. With a mere 8 solo tackles, 9 assists and a whopping zero sacks in 2014, it’s time to cut bait with Bunkley and send him to a team that employs a 4-3 standard base defense…like the Titans, Jaguars or Raiders. Trading Bunkley would save the Saints $4.5M against the 2016 salary cap, too. Given Bunkley played for Raiders head coach Jack Del Rio while the two were in Denver together, the Black Hole may be receptive to Bunkley wearing the silver and black as part of its DT rotation. The Raiders depth chart indicates Shelby Harris is the starting LDE. Who? That’s what I said. Harris has all of one game to his career belt and a pair of tackles. That’s it. Cameron Jordan would be a massive upgrade for the left defensive end spot. OLB Sio Moore is the starting weak side linebacker. This spot needs an upgrade as well. Charles Woodson is now 65 years old and collecting Social Security. He’s like old gray (silver?) mare because he ain’t what he used to be. The Raiders need a younger safety to spell Woodson.

Now we come to SS Rafael Bush. The Saints have no less than nine (9) safeties on the roster and Bush is unlikely to be a starter given Byrd and Vaccaro as the incumbents. There was market interest for Bush a year ago before he signed a three-year accord for $3.8M with a fraction guaranteed. Trading Rafael Bush frees up $2M in cap space this year. Bush is not under contract for 2016 and could walk, anyway.

If these three defensive players, all of whom may be able to start for the Titans, Jaguars or Raiders, are not enough to strike a deal in the top 5, I present either LB David Hawthorne or a 6th round pick to sweeten the pot and formalize a mutually beneficial transaction between the Saints and an AFC team.

Hawthorne, an eight-year undrafted veteran out of TCU, will be 30 years old when mini-camp starts next month. With the addition of Danelle Ellerbe from the Dolphins in the Kenny Stills trade, Hawthorne seems expendable especially if the Saints play more 4-3 fronts to deter the run. Hawthorne played for Jaguars head coach Gus Bradley while the two were in Seattle a few years ago. The Jaguars let go LB Geno Hayes and need a pass rushing defensive end, an upgrade at safety and more depth at DT. Jacksonville could be an ideal trade partner with the Saints. The Jags also covet a pass rushing specialist (Jordan) and secondary help (Bush). See the fit?

Further, should the Saints land the #2 overall (Titans), #3 overall (Jaguars) or #4 overall (Raiders) pick in this year’s NFL draft, it opens up a myriad of trade-down options as well as opportunities to acquire the best defensive players in the draft this year. Notice I used the plural form – players. Let’s turn loose our imaginations as we’ve all been told many times since kindergarten. Shall we?

Let’s say the Titans, another team in need of a pass rusher, defensive tackle, inside linebacker and secondary depth, trade the #2 overall pick to the Saints for Jordan, Bunkley, Hawthorne and Bush. The Titans get three starts and a reserve (Bush) who can play special teams quite capably. This seems like a fair and reasonable trade given the fact Tennessee may take Leonard Williams or Dante’ Fowler, Jr. with the second pick or trade it for Phillip Rivers. In either case, the Saints four players seem to make more impact both immediately and long term for the Titans franchise. Rivers has but a couple of years left in him and Mariota is far from proven.

Likewise, trading the #2 overall to the Browns for the #12 and #19 spots yields two lesser players for the Titans with no better than a 33% chance each would “make it” in the NFL. Hence, the Saints deal seems attractive.

If Tennessee declines to play nicely, I believe the Jaguars would. The Jags have some offensive weaponry and can get a skilled WR or RB in the top of the second round to help Bortles and bunch. However, the Jaguars defense is porous and the four Saints players would all likely start and play significant roles. If the Jaguars chose to get Jordan to sign a long-term extension and they like what Hawthorne and Bush give them, the Jaguars would be better off with this trade then taking Fowler, Leonard Williams or any other defensive player. Neither of these guys is a “sure thing” in the NFL. Most experts like Bill Polian insist there is no such thing as a “sure thing” in the NFL and trading high picks for multiple “proven” players in the NFL is often very sensible and wise.

What do the Saints do with the #2 overall pick, let’s say? Trade it to the Browns or Jets. If Cleveland, insist on the #12, #19 and #43 overall. The Saints may need to throw in that 6th round pick to conclude this exchange. With these picks, the Saints could look at a draft haul something like this:

#12 Trae Waynes, CB Michigan State
#13 Shane Ray, OLB/DE Missouri
#19 La’el Collins OG/OT LSU
#31 Eddie Goldman, DT Florida State
#43 Denzel Perryman, ILB U-Miami
#44 Jaelen Strong, WR Arizona State

If the Saints get the #3 pick from the Jaguars, they can trade down with the Jets or Bears and pick up an additional second round choice. This swap (or one with the Raiders) could result in something like this:

#7 Bud Dupree, DE Kentucky
#13 Trae Waynes, CB Michigan State
#31 Cameron Irving, OG/C Florida State
#39 Eli Harold, OLB Virginia
#43 Jordan Phillips, DT Oklahoma

Selections like these would allow Danell Ellerbe to play in the middle with Parys Haralson on the weak side linebacker spot with Harold on the strong. The other combination depending on draft picks could place Perryman in the middle with Ellerbe on the strong side. I also sense Brandon Browner could step into the SLB spot given his physical style of play and ability to manhandle big receivers and tight ends at the line of scrimmage. This would allow Keenan Lewis to play LCB opposite Trae Waynes at RCB. Let’s not forget DE/OLB Anthony Spencer is in the mix and would complement a 3-man DE rotation as applicable.

Vaulting into the top 5 at the expense of four defensive players and possibly a late-round pick makes sense both on the field and in the accounting ledgers. The aforementioned trade scenarios free up almost $10M in cap space this year and about $15M next year. Granted, the additional draft picks will absorb pieces of those amounts. Nonetheless, the end result would give the Saints younger, faster, and more talented players at several positions who are overall less expensive and more cap friendly in the future.

If the Saints can pull the trigger in the top 5 in the coming days and enhance the roster appreciably through a plethora of first-round and second-round draft picks, I believe the team’s future is brighter and chances of success in 2015, 2016 and years to come substantially improved.

Naturally, if the Saints do get a top 5 pick and there’s a flurry of activity on draft day, the Saints could trade down twice if not three times in the first round and wind up with 3-4 first round picks AND 3-4 second round picks depending on which players are selected and when by other teams. Needless to say, shipping Jordan, Bunkley, Bush and Hawthorne disembarks proven defensive talent. Yet, one must surrender value in order to receive value at this level of professional sports. Trading this quartet for a premium first makes solid sense.

What happens if the Eagles step into the fray to get Mariota and sit at the 20th pick overall? Good question. The Saints could make this potential deal happen, too. I don’t think the Saints want the oft-injured Sam Bradford in return as part of a package to move from #20 to second (presumably). What do the Eagles have the Saints could want and use? A couple of players and draft picks. Most notably, the Saints could probably use OLB Connor Barwin. He’s young, highly productive (14.5 sacks last year), and under a reasonable contract for four more years. He could start at OLB or edge rusher for New Orleans alongside Spencer or a highly-touted rookie.

The Eagles, for some reason, don’t particularly want 33-year-old road grader of a left guard Evan Mathis. This guy has been to the last two Pro Bowls for the NFC and is highly acclaimed as a locker room leader and true professional who has worked his craft well to get where he is today. Even at his age, he’d be a strong left guard option for another 2-3 years. He and Barwin would be the two starters recouped in an Eagles trade. Yet, there’s more to the mix. I’m guessing the Eagles would have to also surrender their #20 overall pick and their second round choice that is #52 overall. The Saints can still land a solid LB, WR or DL in the latter spot and an opening day starter with the Eagles first-round spot.

I see abundant opportunities to improve both sides of the ball for the Saints if they’re willing to part ways with Cameron Jordan, Broderick Bunkley, Rafael Bush, David Hawthorne and possibly a late selection in 2015. They can do just fine if they stay where they are and choose wisely. However, given the ages, contract situations and abundance of talent and depth in this year’s draft, it makes far more sense to proactively transact players.

The show in Chicago will be a fun one to watch regardless of where the Saints draft and how many times.

In fact, I believe it'll only be a matter of time before someone (ESPN?) starts a FFL that is centered around the NFL Draft. Eight teams in a league with each owner having four picks in each of the 7 rounds for a total of 28 rookies. Each rookie is graded for production every week. Skill players get points for yardage, TDs, and the usual. Linemen get demerits (points deducted) for penalties, etc. Number of starts, games played, and total plays on the field during the season are also grading factors that merit points for each applicable player. At the end of the year, the best "Owner/GM" is declared the winner based on total points his rookies were awarded.

There's a million-dollar idea someone can run with. :-)

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saintfan 04-27-2015 11:49 PM

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My left brain is now beating the crap out of my right brain and I'm too tired to attempt to break it up...

lee909 04-28-2015 09:10 AM

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Cam and pick 13 for Leonard Williams would keep great cap room next year and have a great young DE locked up for 5 years cheap without loosing a pick. Spend the 8ml+ on Jordan cap next year on another player and we look good. I like Cam but he is going to want a big deal,Raiders can afford it

blackangold 04-28-2015 11:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 651298)
My left brain is now beating the crap out of my right brain and I'm too tired to attempt to break it up...

You should take the time as it's a good read.

K Major 04-28-2015 12:28 PM

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Oak, is that you? ... Just kidding.

Welcome aboard Lenny100 :bng:

voodooido 04-28-2015 03:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 651328)
Cam and pick 13 for Leonard Williams would keep great cap room next year and have a great young DE locked up for 5 years cheap without loosing a pick. Spend the 8ml+ on Jordan cap next year on another player and we look good. I like Cam but he is going to want a big deal,Raiders can afford it


This would be one heck of a deal! The best d-line in the draft for Jordan and #13. He would start from the get go and be just as good if not better than Jordan. Not to mention 7 million a year cheaper over the next 4 years.
With that being said it will never happen. No way the Jags or Titans agree to this. Also Jordan is not under the franchise tag, he is under the 5th year option which is roughly 5.8 million instead of 13 million he would receive under the tag. Bush has been our best safety so he stays put. Bunkley was hurt last year and that is why his stats are crap. Jordan and the #13 for #3 that would be great. The rest, ah not so much.

RaginCajun83 04-28-2015 03:09 PM

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how about we throw in a "rumor", "speculation" in the title? That isn't happening anyways. This isn't Draft Day or Madden so just stop

halloween 65 04-28-2015 03:28 PM

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Good read!!

Seer1 04-28-2015 04:24 PM

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Love it all except for Waynes. Watched him a lot last year. He was great against the lesser talent , but the games against tOSU and Baylor exposed him as fairly mediocre. We already have the SJB "project" occupying our bench. Put a linebacker in there instead.

foreverfan 04-28-2015 05:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 651298)
My left brain is now beating the crap out of my right brain and I'm too tired to attempt to break it up...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...19/604/7a1.gif

Beastmode 04-28-2015 06:29 PM

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Prepared to eat crow, but we are moving up. That will become evident when the Bucs pass on Winston. We are going to get the best defender we can get. I don't know who that is at this point but the tea leaves to me say it would be stupid not to do this. We will do whatever it takes to grab as high as we can.

Lenny100 04-28-2015 06:47 PM

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I could go for the LB in the #13 spot, as well.

Thanks for weighing in.

Lenny100 04-28-2015 06:49 PM

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Nothing surprises me with Loomis. I believe he's traded up unnecessarily for Ingram and Cooks when both very likely would've still been available where the Saints' selections spots were.

The rule of thumb is when you have a deep draft (like this one) and not a great spread of talent between #16 and #50 (for example) you trade DOWN and not UP. Of course, Loomis leaves a lot to be desired (imo).

Lenny100 04-28-2015 06:50 PM

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Gracias. I can see you are a person of good journalistic taste.

Lenny100 04-28-2015 06:51 PM

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Thank you.

saintsfan1976 04-28-2015 07:16 PM

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We don't need drastic moves in the draft to be in the playoffs again.

Rugby Saint II 04-28-2015 07:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 651414)
We don't need drastic moves in the draft to be in the playoffs again.

No. We need talent on the roster. Smart drafting not semi-smart gambles is what we need.

Marlboro Man 04-28-2015 07:39 PM

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I can tell you put a lot of thought, research and effort into this post, and you make some very interesting points for your arguments. That being said, I get VERY NERVOUS when the Saints make trades. They invariably give up too much and don't demand enough in return for what they ask. Just look at the trade with Seattle as an example. We should NEVER have given up our 4th round pick in that deal. Seeing your examples of how we can replace certain players that we would trade, I don't necessarily agree with the players you picked us to draft. I can see Leonard Williams, but then I'd want Scherff in that same round if possible, as well as some other players that I feel are better at their positions than some listed. I'd like to see what you could come up with such as multiple trades, ie at least 2, with two different teams in the first round that could make the above happen. Otherwise a good post and a good read. Thanks

Lenny100 04-28-2015 08:11 PM

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Marlboro Man:

Thank you very much...and I like your way of thinking, too.

Tedi Bruschi said today that Jets DE Muhammad Wilkerson is 'worth more than the #1 overall pick this year' when commenting on ESPN. If that's the case, what are Jordan's and Gallette's respective values on the open market if they were "available" as Wilkerson appears to be?

Bear in mind, Wilkerson is under the same $7M fifth-year option compensation clause Cameron Jordan is. What could the Saints get for either Jordan or Gallette based on Bruschi's valuation conjecture/opinion?

I think it's wise for the Saints to explore DE values this year given the two contracts in place for Gallette and Jordan and the deep draft in DL.

I also think Dallas could become a trade partner with #27 overall and a need for DE, SS, and LB...the parts mentioned in this hypothetical offering for discussion and retorts.

Lenny100 04-28-2015 08:14 PM

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Of course, the "goal" is not merely to be in the playoffs again. The goal is, if I'm not mistaken, to field one highly competitive and championship-caliber NFL team each and every season using all possible means necessary.

Personnel changes, financial prudence, and thinking outside the box with calculated risks/rewards are all parts of the equation in my estimation.

K Major 04-28-2015 09:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 651416)
No. We need talent on the roster. Smart drafting not semi-smart gambles is what we need.

This is why I think we should stay put at 13 and 31.

We need as many young, talented, driven players as possible. With the addition of Jeff Ireland and his scout team, I'm sure we will do the right thing on Thursday night.

NOLA54 04-28-2015 09:55 PM

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I'll be glad when the draft is done.

RaginCajun83 04-28-2015 10:28 PM

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i'm thinking of going off the grid until 7pm Thursday

burningmetal 04-28-2015 10:39 PM

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I didn't read the whole thing, but I'll just say what I think about the first part of it. I don't see a trade of Cam Jordan happening. He's been very inconsistent thus far, but you still have to hope that he figures it out, because if he doesn't and you get rid of him then essentially you're trying to replace him in the draft instead of adding someone to go with him. Because we already know that he IS capable, even if he is lacking consistency, it doesn't make much sense to trade him unless we got a proven player back... There's no such player in the draft.

from the other teams' perspective, if Jordan wants a crap load of money (which he'll have a difficult time getting if he doesn't establish himself better) then why give away draft picks for the guy AND have to turn around and pay him a ton of money. This isn't baseball, you need to have more long term control of a player if you're going to pay a high price.

I'd rather trade Galette if it's all about freeing cap space down the road. But again, who wants to trade for these guys? I suppose anything is possible, but it would be pretty dumb on the part of any team that fell for a deal like that. Sometimes it happens, though.

hagan714 04-28-2015 11:55 PM

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solid work and food for thought.

@13 for sale in my book for any 1at in 2016. doping up the draft board has screwed us big time/ wrong draft to have 2 1st in.

we are not out of the reach for the best bets in the first round. Seattle looks to have been the smart one in the Jimmy trade after all

selling it to move down is more likely.

i am liking a package deal so philly can move up but a future #1 is more important than ever not veteran players. hell a pick in 2017 would work for me. we can trade that on draft day in 2017. bail out 1 all together. keep pick 31. even then that is up for sale for a better pick in round 2 than 44;

this draft blows for first round talent. some of the better Jr did come out.

nola_swammi 04-29-2015 01:42 AM

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I believe Byron jones is the best cornerback coming out in this year draft and I think we can get him at the 31 pick. It's a gamble but with Brandon Browner, Keenan Lewis starters and Brian Dixon, Delvin Breaux at back up, then Stanley Jean Baptiste might be ready to contribute this year I'll hope they take the risk.

lee909 04-29-2015 01:59 AM

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Its the slot CB i want sorted.
Wouldn't mind taking Jones but Golson in the mid rounds is the guy i want for the slot.

hagan714 04-29-2015 02:45 AM

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Byron Jones i have one question for you. how does going from a 6/7 prospect at the end of the year to a 1/2 ranking really makes sense? granted i thought he was more of a round 3/4 type myself at season end not the 6/7. I would not be surprised to see him on the board at 44. kinda of amazed if we see him by 75. 44 might be the realistic spot for him.

In my book he is in the top 5 of over hyped player in the draft.

13 BPA all the way needs are not in play with that pick.

I still say bail and salvage what you can for 2016

halloween 65 04-29-2015 04:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 651473)
Its the slot CB i want sorted.
Wouldn't mind taking Jones but Golson in the mid rounds is the guy i want for the slot.

Golston is the only CB in this draft I would take because he can be had in the 3rd. Safer pick in my book.

SaintsBro 04-29-2015 07:42 AM

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I hate these threads with titles that act like something has already happened when it clearly hasn't and probably won't.

voodooido 04-29-2015 07:43 AM

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Senquez Golson will be a steal if he is there late in the 3rd. Very under rated because of his size. May go in rd 2 or fall to rd 5.

Euphoria 04-29-2015 07:54 AM

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I don't see moving up. One player in the top 5 isn't going to change our our team much. We need to reload on younger talent and snagging as many as we can.

st thomas 04-29-2015 08:07 AM

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people 'people look here. what the hells going to happen if colston don't wake up from old age syndrome like last year, cook, okay if he makes it through the whole season, morgan-question mark .toon if he wakes up and b. coleman. reach. pick 13 ? white, cooper imo will go first parker will be there . strong ? b. perrimenbeckom , leave him alone, agholar second round for sure, what do we do if white is there I say no brainer. don't give me that never pick a wr in the first ala beckem jr. nyg. white is polished goes right into starter of opening day. scherff if there its our pick, maybe irving flor. st. l. Collins, don't see payton and lsu in the mix. we need a opening day starter, no less than that.

lee909 04-29-2015 08:09 AM

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Parker wont be there at 13 imo
Dorsett at 31
Darren Waller 5th

Lenny100 04-29-2015 09:51 AM

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K Major:

I do see the benefits of staying put, as well, especially if certain chips fall favorably for the Saints ahead of pick #13 and pick #31.

Jeff Ireland? He did draft Dion Jordan with #3 overall and the Ellerbe contract isn't nearly as appealing as originally reported.

My jury is still out on Jeff and this draft will tell us lots about him.

xan 04-29-2015 12:06 PM

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Stay put. Wiggling and jiggling is only going to upset the bacon gods. Pull a pint, grab some snacks and let go.

mighty12 04-29-2015 05:43 PM

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It is very in depth and I applaud the thought and time it took to post this....twice...but as RajunCajun83 said this ain't Madden, so this won't happen.

I am however getting more comfortable with trading our two 1s and a 3 for the 3rd(JAX) or 4th(OAK) pick and a 4. I don't have the handy dandy trade book to see if those add up to a good trade but I do know getting the best player in the draft(I have heard Suh caliber) and still having the rest of our original draft is enticing.

Danno 04-29-2015 06:03 PM

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While I prefer to stay put, if we did trade up I'd hope it would be for Leonard Williams or Dante Fowler.

I don't think anyone else is worth it.

Maybe Cooper, White or Beasley if its only a few spots and doesn't cost us much.

Rugby Saint II 04-29-2015 07:06 PM

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If we are going to move up let's keep both of our first round and our second round picks.

We might have the ammunition to get back in the second round a couple of times if we package our third, our fifth and one of our late round picks. That still leaves us with a third, fifth and a sixth or seventh round draft pick where we can stay put and swing for the fences or we package one more time and pick in the second again. That won't happen, but........:bng:

WillSaints81 04-30-2015 01:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 651477)
Byron Jones i have one question for you. how does going from a 6/7 prospect at the end of the year to a 1/2 ranking really makes sense? granted i thought he was more of a round 3/4 type myself at season end not the 6/7. I would not be surprised to see him on the board at 44. kinda of amazed if we see him by 75. 44 might be the realistic spot for him.

In my book he is in the top 5 of over hyped player in the draft.

13 BPA all the way needs are not in play with that pick.

I still say bail and salvage what you can for 2016


2016? Thats too late. We want to win this year!


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