Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha

blackangold · 05-06-2015, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Scott Shanle was a smart player. If he wasn't he wouldn't have even been on the field because his physical ability was sub par compared to the rest of the league. I always wanted us to upgrade his spot too, but I can't say anything bad about the guy. He did a good job.

I don't think he did a good job.

He was actually fairly bad, but his passion and football IQ shouldn't be questioned. Problem was his body could catch up to what his mind wanted.

rezburna · 05-06-2015, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't think he did a good job.

He was actually fairly bad, but his passion and football IQ shouldn't be questioned. Problem was his body could catch up to what his mind wanted.

98 tackles and 4 sacks his first year as a Saint.

69 tackles and 2 picks in the Super Bowl year. He was straight.

LordOfEntropy · 05-06-2015, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not too sure how accurate that is.

Can't recall any OLB FA signings, nor do I remember the Saints drafting any decent LBs.

You could say Danny Clark was the one big FA signing but he replaced Fujita (and did a pretty good job).

Well, in all fairness I do remember a few LB's being taken in Shanle's time. I can remember Marvin Mitchell, Tez Wilson, Nate Bussey. Tez was a 3rd rounder, and his build could have had him challenging at WLB. I remember Arnoux too, but he was ILB if IIRC, so Arnoux wouldn't count for competition. But I also remember Cassilas (sp?) taking over at WLB some year (Shanle was a will, except for that one year - I think - when he moved to sam, again IIRC).

Bottom line was there was at least -some- competition for Shanle through the years. And he just stayed on.

I personally have pleasant memories of the guy. But he was he a magnet for a lot of unlove from fans.

blackangold · 05-06-2015, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

98 tackles and 4 sacks his first year as a Saint.

69 tackles and 2 picks in the Super Bowl year. He was straight.

Stats are not a very good measure of a player's ability.

Statistically, his first year is the only one that sticks out as good. However, if we base everything on stats Lofton would be the best Saints LB to play the game and we know that's not the case.

blackangold · 05-06-2015, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Well, in all fairness I do remember a few LB's being taken in Shanle's time. I can remember Marvin Mitchell, Tez Wilson, Nate Bussey. Tez was a 3rd rounder, and his build could have had him challenging at WLB. I remember Arnoux too, but he was ILB if IIRC, so Arnoux wouldn't count for competition. But I also remember Cassilas (sp?) taking over at WLB some year (Shanle was a will, except for that one year - I think - when he moved to sam, again IIRC).

Bottom line was there was at least -some- competition for Shanle through the years. And he just stayed on.

I personally have pleasant memories of the guy. But he was he a magnet for a lot of unlove from fans.

Jonathan Casillas was the only actual competition and he was a UDFA, he was athletic enough but apparently didn't have the football IQ.

The rest of the folks you mentioned wouldn't really be fits for the WLB, Wilson was more of a SAM and the rest were MIKEs.

Again though, I am not trying to slam Shanle. I think he played to the best of his ability.

voodooido · 05-06-2015, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

I miss the way Shanle would trot through the camera shot one second after the whistle.

That's all I miss about Scott Shanle. He may be a football genius, but he wasn't much of a football player.

Not much Football in Alaska huh? SS started for a superbowl winning defense but he "was not much of a football player". Give me 2009 SS over our lb's all day long right now.

RaginCajun83 · 05-06-2015, 09:22 PM

Sorry but getting half tackles for being the last player there does not make him a smart football player. He was abused and slow his entire time in New Orleans, sure he would make a play but that normally occurred when the opposing offense did something wrong or if the QB threw a pass behind the TE he was covering. Just because he played during the game doesn't matter, he had little to do with the victory in SB 44

The Dude · 05-06-2015, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

scott was a hard worker and an extremely intelligent player. I respect his opinion

He was also a lot better than most people gave him credit for.

The Dude · 05-06-2015, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Sorry but getting half tackles for being the last player there does not make him a smart football player. He was abused and slow his entire time in New Orleans, sure he would make a play but that normally occurred when the opposing offense did something wrong or if the QB threw a pass behind the TE he was covering. Just because he played during the game doesn't matter, he had little to do with the victory in SB 44

He was ranked number 3 in the nfl right in front of ray Lewis the year we won the super bowl.
NFL Stats: by Player Position

blackangold · 05-07-2015, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He was ranked number 3 in the nfl right in front of ray Lewis the year we won the super bowl.
NFL Stats: by Player Position

Prime example of how you can manipulate stats to make the tell the story you want. You took only post season stats... you realize over half the people on that list only played 1 game...

On another note, I wish Shanle or Vilma would've jumped on as assistant LB coaches.

05-06-2015, 01:35 PM	#31
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by rezburna Scott Shanle was a smart player. If he wasn't he wouldn't have even been on the field because his physical ability was sub par compared to the rest of the league. I always wanted us to upgrade his spot too, but I can't say anything bad about the guy. He did a good job. I don't think he did a good job. He was actually fairly bad, but his passion and football IQ shouldn't be questioned. Problem was his body could catch up to what his mind wanted.

05-06-2015, 02:33 PM	#32
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by blackangold I don't think he did a good job. He was actually fairly bad, but his passion and football IQ shouldn't be questioned. Problem was his body could catch up to what his mind wanted. 98 tackles and 4 sacks his first year as a Saint. 69 tackles and 2 picks in the Super Bowl year. He was straight. SapperSaint and voodooido like this.

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LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by blackangold Not too sure how accurate that is. Can't recall any OLB FA signings, nor do I remember the Saints drafting any decent LBs. You could say Danny Clark was the one big FA signing but he replaced Fujita (and did a pretty good job). Well, in all fairness I do remember a few LB's being taken in Shanle's time. I can remember Marvin Mitchell, Tez Wilson, Nate Bussey. Tez was a 3rd rounder, and his build could have had him challenging at WLB. I remember Arnoux too, but he was ILB if IIRC, so Arnoux wouldn't count for competition. But I also remember Cassilas (sp?) taking over at WLB some year (Shanle was a will, except for that one year - I think - when he moved to sam, again IIRC). Bottom line was there was at least -some- competition for Shanle through the years. And he just stayed on. I personally have pleasant memories of the guy. But he was he a magnet for a lot of unlove from fans. iceshack149 and SapperSaint like this.
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05-06-2015, 07:32 PM	#34
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by rezburna 98 tackles and 4 sacks his first year as a Saint. 69 tackles and 2 picks in the Super Bowl year. He was straight. Stats are not a very good measure of a player's ability. Statistically, his first year is the only one that sticks out as good. However, if we base everything on stats Lofton would be the best Saints LB to play the game and we know that's not the case. RaginCajun83 likes this.

05-06-2015, 07:36 PM	#35
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Well, in all fairness I do remember a few LB's being taken in Shanle's time. I can remember Marvin Mitchell, Tez Wilson, Nate Bussey. Tez was a 3rd rounder, and his build could have had him challenging at WLB. I remember Arnoux too, but he was ILB if IIRC, so Arnoux wouldn't count for competition. But I also remember Cassilas (sp?) taking over at WLB some year (Shanle was a will, except for that one year - I think - when he moved to sam, again IIRC). Bottom line was there was at least -some- competition for Shanle through the years. And he just stayed on. I personally have pleasant memories of the guy. But he was he a magnet for a lot of unlove from fans. Jonathan Casillas was the only actual competition and he was a UDFA, he was athletic enough but apparently didn't have the football IQ. The rest of the folks you mentioned wouldn't really be fits for the WLB, Wilson was more of a SAM and the rest were MIKEs. Again though, I am not trying to slam Shanle. I think he played to the best of his ability.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints I miss the way Shanle would trot through the camera shot one second after the whistle. That's all I miss about Scott Shanle. He may be a football genius, but he wasn't much of a football player. Not much Football in Alaska huh? SS started for a superbowl winning defense but he "was not much of a football player". Give me 2009 SS over our lb's all day long right now.
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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Sorry but getting half tackles for being the last player there does not make him a smart football player. He was abused and slow his entire time in New Orleans, sure he would make a play but that normally occurred when the opposing offense did something wrong or if the QB threw a pass behind the TE he was covering. Just because he played during the game doesn't matter, he had little to do with the victory in SB 44 darksoul35 likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by spkb25 scott was a hard worker and an extremely intelligent player. I respect his opinion He was also a lot better than most people gave him credit for.
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05-06-2015, 11:48 PM	#39
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Sorry but getting half tackles for being the last player there does not make him a smart football player. He was abused and slow his entire time in New Orleans, sure he would make a play but that normally occurred when the opposing offense did something wrong or if the QB threw a pass behind the TE he was covering. Just because he played during the game doesn't matter, he had little to do with the victory in SB 44 He was ranked number 3 in the nfl right in front of ray Lewis the year we won the super bowl. NFL Stats: by Player Position
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05-07-2015, 03:02 AM	#40
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Former Saints LB Scott Shanle 'blown away' after working with Hau'oli Kikaha Originally Posted by The Dude He was ranked number 3 in the nfl right in front of ray Lewis the year we won the super bowl. NFL Stats: by Player Position Prime example of how you can manipulate stats to make the tell the story you want. You took only post season stats... you realize over half the people on that list only played 1 game... On another note, I wish Shanle or Vilma would've jumped on as assistant LB coaches.

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