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SmashMouth 05-18-2015 12:18 PM

Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
During the Saints’ rookie minicamp over the weekend, offensive line coach Bret Ingalls said it was possible that first-round pick Andrus Peat could start his NFL career at guard if that means putting the team’s best five linemen on the field at the same time.

That approach is a possibility because the Saints are unsettled on a starter at left guard after trading Ben Grubbs to Kansas City. Peat was drafted as a tackle, though, and Zach Strief thinks he knows that the rookie is ultimately going to take over for him at right tackle.

“He’s taking my job eventually,” Strief said, via the New Orleans Times-Picayune. “That is definitely happening. At some point, that’s happening. My job and my role is to make that take as long as possible. And that’s how I’ll approach it. … I don’t know that ultimately anything really changes this year for me, or for him. And maybe it does, and that’s fine too. Because at the end of the day I think that’s a result of your performance and the fair way is generally the right way.”

If Peat were to beat out Strief, the possibility of a move to guard could shift to the veteran. It’s not something he expects to happen — “a lot of people don’t know is how good [guards] Tim Lelito and Senio Kelemete are” — but if the Saints are committed to playing the best five regardless of current positions it would seem everything is on the table in New Orleans.

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RaginCajun83 05-18-2015 01:08 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
I really hope its sooner rather than later

Rugby Saint II 05-18-2015 01:24 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
Peat is too tall to play guard in front of Drew. The two UDFA's Gombrell(?) and the other new guy(too many names to keep up with) look promising.

Strief worked his way into a starting job and is a team first guy. So he understands how the system works. He may not start but he'll get playing time as tackle eligible and jumbo packages. He could play a couple of more years in a reduced role and will be a heck of a back up.

Danno 05-18-2015 01:29 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 655853)
Peat is too tall to play guard in front of Drew. The two UDFA's Gombrell(?) and the other new guy(too many names to keep up with) look promising.

As is Strief, they're both 6'-7

Yes they could do it, but its probably gonna create some problems with a 5-11 QB.

saintsfan1976 05-18-2015 01:35 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
Love me some Strief man. Always been a solid dude...


In the meantime, it's nice to know that if either of our tackles goes down we have Peat to fill in until he takes over RT.

|Mitch| 05-18-2015 01:57 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
I personally don't think we spent the #13th pick on a player who will sit any. I'm thinking Peats' athleticism wins him the RT spot immediately...

SmashMouth 05-18-2015 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 655853)
Peat is too tall to play guard in front of Drew. The two UDFA's Gombrell(?) and the other new guy(too many names to keep up with) look promising.

Strief worked his way into a starting job and is a team first guy. So he understands how the system works. He may not start but he'll get playing time as tackle eligible and jumbo packages. He could play a couple of more years in a reduced role and will be a heck of a back up.

We might alright at guard. Kelemente and Lelito and whatever backups we can come up with.

saintsfan1976 05-18-2015 02:08 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 655860)
I personally don't think we spent the #13th pick on a player who will sit any. I'm thinking Peats' athleticism wins him the RT spot immediately...

Not necessarily. Had Shelton not been picked at #12 he would be a Saint.

Peat still has to prove he's better than Strief and until that happens, well...

|Mitch| 05-18-2015 02:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 655862)
Not necessarily. Had Shelton not been picked at #12 he would be a Saint.

Peat still has to prove he's better than Strief and until that happens, well...

That's what I'm saying; Peats' athleticism makes him better than Strief...

And the Shelton theory is speculation at it's best

jeanpierre 05-18-2015 02:54 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
I'd plug these guys in like this:

LT Andrus Peat
LG Tim Lelito
C Max Unger
RG Jahri Evans
RT Terron Armstead

RL Zach Strief

Crusader 05-18-2015 04:10 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 655860)
I personally don't think we spent the #13th pick on a player who will sit any. I'm thinking Peats' athleticism wins him the RT spot immediately...

But athleticism only gets you so far. He needs to have the technique and the mental part of the game down too.

saintsfan1976 05-18-2015 04:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 655863)
That's what I'm saying; Peats' athleticism makes him better than Strief...

Garrett Grayson looks more athletic than Drew Brees. Does that make him a better QB?

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 655863)
And the Shelton theory is speculation at it's best

Quote:

Ian Rapoport retweeted
Mike Triplett ‏ @ MikeTriplett 24m 24 minutes ago
# Saints Sean Payton said NT Danny Shelton would have been pick if # Browns took Andrus Peat at No. 12.
Was Triplett speculating that Sean Payton spoke those words to him?

NonieT 05-18-2015 05:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 655873)
Was Triplett speculating that Sean Payton spoke those words to him?


Yeah, but what if they had not taken Peat and did not take Shelton, Saints may have still taken Peat. I believe that is what he is saying.

hagan714 05-18-2015 05:38 PM

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I am not sold on peat till he proves he can handle the speed rush at the NFL level. he needs coaching on this aspect of his game. he will get there but how soon is the question. 1 camp? mid season? or next year?

either way as long as he is the first option of the bench i good with it. spot duty is not a concern in year one.

Danno 05-18-2015 05:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 655882)
I am not sold on peat till he proves he can handle the speed rush at the NFL level. he needs coaching on this aspect of his game. he will get there but how soon is the question. 1 camp? mid season? or next year?

either way as long as he is the first option of the bench i good with it. spot duty is not a concern in year one.

Which is why for now he's purely a RT prospect, and a damn good one.

saintsfan1976 05-18-2015 06:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 655876)
Yeah, but what if they had not taken Peat and did not take Shelton, Saints may have still taken Peat. I believe that is what he is saying.

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NOLA54 05-18-2015 06:46 PM

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I appreciate his attitude.

SmashMouth 05-18-2015 07:08 PM

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Even after the Saints traded Ben Grubbs and drafted Andrus Peat, the offensive line’s returnees don’t expect major revamping | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

ScottF 05-18-2015 08:32 PM

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I will not be remotely surprised if Strief starts at guard and Peat RT.
If Peat struggles, in comes Lelito and Zach takes two steps to his right.

saintsfan1976 05-18-2015 08:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 655923)
I will not be remotely surprised if Strief starts at guard and Peat RT.
If Peat struggles, in comes Lelito and Zach takes two steps to his right.

See I think the opposite to start the season, at least.

LT - Armstead
LG - Lelito
C - Unger
RG - Evans
RT - Strief


If (when) Armstead or Strief misses time - and let's hope that's not for 8-10 games in - Peat is a plug and play without much drop off.

hagan714 05-19-2015 04:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 655887)
Which is why for now he's purely a RT prospect, and a damn good one.

purely a RT prospect?????

he was the best pure LT prospect in the draft. he has never played RT. If the saints drafted him to play RT they truly miss scouted this kid. that also would make even more concerned with the saints pegging Collins as a OG. if right tackle is the spot they are envisioning him to play then i really think he wont be starting right out of camp or the saints believe he has to learn on the job and stepping up into the pocket will be huge. So the jimmy trade makes even more sense now.

So Zach Strief saying: "Andrus Peat will take my job eventually"

The eventually part marks absolute sense. it will take longer for him to learn RT and learn to deal with the speed of the NFL than training him up for LT and sliding Terron over to RT.

Do not get me wrong I like the kid. i thought the giants would take him or Collins. At the same time I would not have been shocked to see him on the board when the panthers picked either. due to inconsistencies in his play

Talent and size are there but the kid really needs some serious polish work done to his game.

I do not see him starting. I see plenty of playing time without a doubt. I am happy with that senior for year 1. years 2 he should be ready to step right in. anything early will be a pleasant surprise.

next years draft could be fun to see what the saints pick. OL again? The Peat pick really has me wondering what the overall strategy the saints are using for the future up front.

hagan714 05-19-2015 04:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 655860)
I personally don't think we spent the #13th pick on a player who will sit any. I'm thinking Peats' athleticism wins him the RT spot immediately...

See i think the old school way of thinking about RT has to be thrown out the window much like the old school thinking of SS has been.

Top ten defenses are what you build to compete against. want a super bowl push? you can not do it with an old school RT anymore.

Pass happy offenses have led to more sub packages on defenses than any standard defensive set. That means speed on both ends on the field easily 70% of the time. Especially when the elite defenses take the field. So your RT like Zach and i hate to say it are becoming a thing of the past very quickly.

Peat needs some work sure but he has everything you look for in a POWER LOT. As a ZONE blocking OT that still needs to work on that. He should pick that part up pretty quickly. It's the foot work at OT i worry about the most right now. It needs work. even more if he is to start at RT. But the upside indicates he just needs some time and coaching that is all and he will be ready to go. how quick he picks it up? i give it max a year

Like i said before next year should be the year we are really able to cash in on the kid. Anything earlier is a nice bonus.

hagan714 05-19-2015 05:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 655866)
I'd plug these guys in like this:

LT Andrus Peat
LG Tim Lelito
C Max Unger
RG Jahri Evans
RT Terron Armstead

RL Zach Strief

2016? right?

player on my IR watch that would plug in nicely 2016 nfl draft
round 2 LOT/ROG LeRaven Clark Texas Tech

Some great talent for the OL in round 1 but i have my eyes on
Jaylon Smith Notre Dame OLB/ILB best 3 down LB in the draft?

jeanpierre 05-19-2015 06:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 655873)
Was Triplett speculating that Sean Payton spoke those words to him?

Payton talking about if Shelton had fell past Cleveland...

Sean Payton envisions Andrus Peat playing right tackle - NFL.com

saintsfan1976 05-19-2015 06:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 655946)
Payton talking about if Shelton had fell past Cleveland...

Sean Payton envisions Andrus Peat playing right tackle - NFL.com

Yes, there would have been a discussion. I'm happy we took Peat and furthermore, I hope we land a stud OG in next year's draft as well.

Mr.Riaton 05-19-2015 07:40 AM

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I watched an interview with Peat and he said alot of things are the same as what they did at Stanford just the terminology is different. Coming from a pro style offense, this kid might be more pro ready that we think. Preseason performance will give us a better idea of what may happen. Taking Strief off the field may not be the best idea right now because he is a captain, but Unger may fill that void.

saintsfan1976 05-19-2015 07:51 AM

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Terron Armstead didn't break through until later in 2013.

ScottF 05-19-2015 08:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 655924)
See I think the opposite to start the season, at least.

LT - Armstead
LG - Lelito
C - Unger
RG - Evans
RT - Strief


If (when) Armstead or Strief misses time - and let's hope that's not for 8-10 games in - Peat is a plug and play without much drop off.

I'd be good with that too, although two inexperienced starters game 1 is a little scary. 20 career starts divided between 3 guys... I'd say start Strief and let one or the other develop.
Great to have options other than pulling a guy from PS and having him start, eh?

saintsfan1976 05-19-2015 08:29 AM

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By 2016 we could have one of the most formidable o lines in the league

Danno 05-19-2015 08:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 655936)
purely a RT prospect?????

he was the best pure LT prospect in the draft. he has never played RT. If the saints drafted him to play RT they truly miss scouted this kid. that also would make even more concerned with the saints pegging Collins as a OG. if right tackle is the spot they are envisioning him to play then i really think he wont be starting right out of camp or the saints believe he has to learn on the job and stepping up into the pocket will be huge. So the jimmy trade makes even more sense now.

So Zach Strief saying: "Andrus Peat will take my job eventually"

The eventually part marks absolute sense. it will take longer for him to learn RT and learn to deal with the speed of the NFL than training him up for LT and sliding Terron over to RT.

Do not get me wrong I like the kid. i thought the giants would take him or Collins. At the same time I would not have been shocked to see him on the board when the panthers picked either. due to inconsistencies in his play

Talent and size are there but the kid really needs some serious polish work done to his game.

I do not see him starting. I see plenty of playing time without a doubt. I am happy with that senior for year 1. years 2 he should be ready to step right in. anything early will be a pleasant surprise.

next years draft could be fun to see what the saints pick. OL again? The Peat pick really has me wondering what the overall strategy the saints are using for the future up front.

Good points, bad choice of words for me. I think 2015 he is purely gonna play RT, and likely 2016, and play it very very well. Especially if Armstead continues to shine. Willie Roaf started on the right, then moved to left. I think many OT's started on the right before moving to the left.

I don't think Armstead is a fit at RT at all. He looks like a LT, has LT feet and LT athleticism. I don't think he'd succeed at RT at all.

BUT...

as you said, todays NFL is much different. Having a RT with LT skills may be a good idea on a pass happy team like we are. Maybe there's no longer a need for that power blocking RT anymore. And in a zone blocking scheme athleticism plays a much bigger role than power does. So maybe Armstead to RT isn't as bad as I think. Yeah Payton is talking about running more, again. I'll believe that when we see it.

No matter how it shakes out, I'm sold that we made the right choice in Peat.

Here's my prediction (for 2015)
LT-Armstead (Peat IF Armstead gets hurt again)
LG-Lelito
C-Unger
RG-Evans
RT-Strief (Peat by mid season, or if Strief gets hurt)

burningmetal 05-19-2015 08:58 AM

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I'm extremely skeptical of Peat, period. I can see where there is potential, but then you could say that about most first rounders. I feel like he's too much of a project, but we'll see. Playing guard, though? No freaking way. At his height DT's will swim underneath him way too easily. I'm not worried about him being in front of Drew. The issue is totally about leverage, and the reason Tackles are always taller than guards is because you can use that height as leverage on edge rushers. But on the inside those defenders are trying to get underneath you and push back the pocket, so you need to be on their level as a guard. The QB's vision would be another reason for it, but again, that isn't my biggest problem with the idea.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but it's quite rare, and Peat doesn't fit the mold for guard in my opinion.

RaginCajun83 05-19-2015 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 655958)
I'm extremely skeptical of Peat, period. I can see where there is potential, but then you could say that about most first rounders. I feel like he's too much of a project, but we'll see. Playing guard, though? No freaking way. At his height DT's will swim underneath him way too easily. I'm not worried about him being in front of Drew. The issue is totally about leverage, and the reason Tackles are always taller than guards is because you can use that height as leverage on edge rushers. But on the inside those defenders are trying to get underneath you and push back the pocket, so you need to be on their level as a guard. The QB's vision would be another reason for it, but again, that isn't my biggest problem with the idea.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but it's quite rare, and Peat doesn't fit the mold for guard in my opinion.

if I could like this post more I would, its why I played center and guard since I was only 5'6 and "husky" when I played

AsylumGuido 05-19-2015 10:52 AM

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Both Payton and Loomis said they were looking for players that could start right away in the very early rounds. That is exactly what I am expecting from both Peat and Anthony. Payton said they are working Peat at RT and i expect him to be the day one starter there. Strief would be there to back up both OT positions and come in on the tackle eligible plays.

Remember, Payton said prior to the draft that he did not want "project" players early. He wanted plug and play.

AsylumGuido 05-19-2015 11:10 AM

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Danno 05-19-2015 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 655973)

http://prod.images.saints.clubs.nflc...620&height=465

No kidding. Tree trunks

ScottF 05-19-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 655974)

and look at the arms...
The guy actually had me looking away from Danno's avatar. For half a second.

RaginCajun83 05-19-2015 11:43 AM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
I'm even more excited to see him on the field now

jeanpierre 05-19-2015 05:18 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
Bet he could really drop the hammer with those triceps...Mountain of a Man...

If it's really going to be a straight up competition, I like Peat to be the starting left tackle...

Armstead's skill set, especially with Spiller in the fold now, that'd be an amazing bubble screen to the right...

I'd let old faithful and Lelito compete for the left guard position...

That'd be a pretty formidable line...

darksoul35 05-19-2015 06:26 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
I love Striefs attitude and I agree. May the best man win the spot.

hagan714 05-20-2015 06:43 AM

Re: Zach Strief: Andrus Peat will take my job eventually
 
I'm not that extremely skeptical of Peat at all. I have faith in the long run he was a solid pick and can have a shot at being a willie roaf type of player. still would have gone WR lol

Striefs whats not to like. blue collar, lunch pail toting, team player, that has excellent value for this team.

can not think of a better setup for Peat to learn and work on his finer points of his game.

Starter right out of the gate? that still is to be seen


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