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I think the real problem is attacking the knowledge of the front office when there's absolutely no way we know all the facts, and the one's we think we know, we don't really know.

We can criticize a player based on what we know and see on the field. which is probably about 15% to 30% accurate. We don't know what play was called, who was supposed to be where, who recognized a breakdown and tried to compensate and subsequently blamed for the breakdown when it was entirely someone else's fault.

But our knowledge of the business and contract side of the NFL compared to the front office is probably more to the tune of 5% to 10% of what they actually know.

We're merely second guessers. For anyone to suggest they know more than any NFL front office based on anecdotal hits and misses is shortsighted.

Even Jerry Freaking Jones knows more than all of us do!

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Whoa! Take it easy!

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^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

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You should give Loomis a break and extricate yourself from his posterior...

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I rest my case...

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'76, we could only hope the message has been delivered...

I do remember something about Payton wanting to move, release Galette though...


Source(s):

New Orleans Saints exploring Junior Galette trade, according to report | NOLA.com

NFL | Report: Sean Payton wants to cut RE Galette - Rotoworld.com

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cap break down then judge.

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nothing on spottrac or over the cap yet...

He was a $7 million cap hit this year, so expect that to come down, and the deal is really for 55 plus a chance at an additional 5
My guess is that it is cap friendly and that both sides are smiling

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1 of 3 players with 25 sacks and 10 passes defended in the past 3 years.

The other two?
Watt and Houston

Never missed a game his whole career, good sign.

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Don't know why they'd want to bring his cap number down now, get it done and off the books...

Short of a trade, don't see the need as there's no quality free agents of need left to sign...

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Doesn't cap savings carry over to the next year?

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I like the deal, also trust Loomis/Payton. And I don't look at Jordon anything at all like Grant, Smith or Gallette. Oranges and Apples. I was a little surprised at all of the criticism I heard today. Then I heard Mike Detillier talk about it, & felt a lot better. I think he knows his s$%#.

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I really can't understand why you can say this after a total fail at last season. Management is totally responsible for putting together a winning team. 7-9 well thats not doing to well as braintrusts of a professional football team in which many predicted a Superbowl apperance. Bad drafts, wrong schemes, soft players thats surely not my fault. The lb.'er position has needed upgrading for years which alot of people here have been screaming this year in, year out. DId the braintrust? Finally. You criticize some posters here but not the management, thats pretty interesting when the posters on here can look at a glaring weakness the team has but management knows all. I'm one of those that are in that small group and will continue to be just because I know that if I can see what happens on the field other posters can also, at least the ones that don't have on rose colored glasses all the time.

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Love SP and ML, but one word, Jason David. I feel I can offer some criticizing, but after looking at his stats maybe mine is a bit misplaced. 8, 12.5, 7.5 sacks.... 2 of those 3 years were absolutely horrid years for our defense too.

So appears I am just plain wrong about the guy

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this year is not really a big deal. 2016 is the number i want to see the most. 2017 is turn the team on its head year. ton of top cap dollars will be free agents so it will be hard to figure that all out till the dust settles.

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My philosophy is to keep the proven veterans on offense and keep the defense young, with maybe the exception being island corners or a Sam Mills type Mike Linebacker to keep a consistent identity on defense...

Just don't find most defensive linemen maintain a level after they hit ~ 27-28 years of age...

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Yes it is getting more and more common across boards all over. I see the same. It comes from the greater amount of information available, coupled with the greater number of members believing this information, regardless whether the source was a "league source", an equally uninformed blogger or simply an unsupported statement by a forum member.

One thing I have learned from my years digging into all the information that I can is that it impossible to ever know the motivations of management and such. Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte.

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Yes. Any unused portion of current cap is rolled over into the following year as additional cap.

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Who sets those guidelines?!? < That's rhetorical

https://www.google.com/#q=rhetorical

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Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way.

Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting.

Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night.


How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..?

I hear he's pretty good...

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I could not have said that any better Finster. :drink:

Well, I could have but why bother, you nailed it!:p

Excellent post.

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I'm not a huge fan of this deal. His production dropped off drastically, and while it was one year it still lends plenty of doubt for that much money.

He could play himself worthy of it, but this wasn't something that had to be done now. Wait til the end of this upcoming season and see how or if he bounces back. I'm sure people will say "yeah but if he has a great season he'll ask for more money next year". I'll take my chances. It seems like we paid him based on his best season, and the hopes that he can duplicate it again. I don't think he's capable of actually exceeding what he did in '13.

But it's done now, so I hope he at least plays with more consistency.

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IDK I think he is a way above average DE that actually plays both ways. Its hard to really dominate when the whole O-line is focused on you because there are no threats from the LBs. I think our LB core got a lot better and it will help his game.

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He had a down year for sure, but he had plenty of help.

He had an injured Bunkley and injured Jenkins inside that made his job more difficult.

Our best LB was a SF reject in Haralson. Solid player but he isn't worrying anyone. He had Lofton at MIKE, kinda slow, and the worst secondary in the NFL behind him.

But even with all that he should have played better than he did. I expect a bounce back season from him, and everyone else on defense that was associated with our humiliating 2014 season.

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May I cut and paste your quote into the Vaccaro thread?

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I may have already typed the same thing in that thread, and a few others.

Its like a generic "insert player name" observation.

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Fine example of 'Savoir-Faire' !

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Or...... C'est la Vie!

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5 year, $55,000,000
$16,000,000 signing bonus,
$33,469,000 guaranteed,
Average annual salary of $11,000,000.

In 2015,
Jordan will earn a base salary of $969,000 and a signing bonus of $16,000,000.
Cap hit of $4,169,000

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different concepts...

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"The initial comparison I made on this contract was to Calais Campbell, and it looks as if that was a good way to go. Here is the cash flow comparisons on the two contracts.

Year	Jordan	Campbell
Year 0	$10,000,000	$0
Year 1	$19,600,000	$17,000,000
Year 2	$26,700,000	$30,250,000
Year 3	$36,000,000	$36,000,000
Year 4	$45,100,000	$45,250,000
Year 5	$55,000,000	$55,000,000

While the contracts are virtually identical in years 3 through 5 in terms of cash, I dont think I would consider this contract to advance the market and would still consider Campbell the starting point for many players. Campbell received favorable terms on the front end of the contract with $30 million coming his way in two seasons. While Jordan does have upside with the sack incentives, which can increase the value of his contract by $5 million, he also has downside in the form of $1.3 million in per game active roster bonuses."

This is an interesting take on Cam Jordan's contract...

Source: A Closer Look at Cam Jordan's $55 Million Contract - Over the Cap

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"That said this is still a very good deal for Jordan its just not the one that really changes the dynamics of the marketplace other than having another valid data point. I’d imagine Bryce’s ECV would be pretty close for the two, especially if the Saints convert most of Jordans roster bonus and/or salary to a signing bonus next year. That has been the norm for New Orleans due to their cap situation and this will likely follow the same pattern.

The $16 million signing bonus is massive for a non-quarterback these days as more and more teams have tried to avoid the large bonuses. For example last season JJ Watt only received a $10 million signing bonus and $20 million in total prorated money after a restructure. "

A normal pay it forward contract Loomis contract, question is - will Cam Jordan's play be worth what we are essentially paying up front?!?

Source: A Closer Look at Cam Jordan's $55 Million Contract - Over the Cap

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Cams' cap hits

2011 $1,405,709
2012 $1,757,136
2013 $2,108,564
2014 $2,459,991
2015 $4,169,000

new contract
Cap Hit - Dead Money
2016 $12,800,000 - $12,800,000
2017 $10,300,000 - $9,600,000
2018 $12,500,000 - $6,400,000
2019 $12,300,000 - $3,200,000
2020 $9,900,000

2016 Not sure if this has been adjusted yet with Cams numbers. so i am going with worse case here and say no. if it is we are dealing with reported cap numbers for 2016 ( - $1,140,832). over by a million. dam we mickey will have an easy off season. imagine the trees this will save from becoming pencils after the last few years.

worse case: we need to have 8 million under the cap. not too too bad. We have been dealing with worse. Pray for an unexpected bump in team revenue for a bit more breathing room. no really big ticket free agents to talk about (about 4 mill with the top 3). Another year of cuts and/or trade rumors?

2017 every one is a free agent lol. almost 40 million with just 7 top players. i like the 2 million built in cap space saving for this year.

2018 has a solid drop in dead money.

2019 seems to be the out year for the saints.

2020 is nice with no dead money involved. the usual great built in redo contract slot there.

all in all not a bad set up given the state of the escalting salary cap in the NFL. 2019 might be a bargain if all goes right.

Now Cam needs to step up and be the leader up front for this defense that this contract says he is to be.

Can Cameron Jordan become the emotional leader that Will Smith was to this team?

This a leaders contract. On the field, in the locker room, as well as a leader off the field.

FACE OF THE FRANCHISE TYPE OF MONEY FOR THE DEFENSE.

right now we are reported to be $3,894,119 under the cap.

Cameron Jordan Contract, Salary Cap Details & Breakdowns | Spotrac