Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million

FinSaint · 06-02-2015, 06:02 PM

I don't get the whole notion of "you know less than the management/front office/coaches, so you shouldn't argue against or question their decisions."

If that would be the case, this whole forum would just be a bunch of homers cheering on every single move the Saints ever make without a fault - I for one don't see the point in that.

This is not directed at anyone in particular, just against this particular evolution of forum behavior that I've come across on various forums more frequently in recent times.

Danno · 06-02-2015, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I don't get the whole notion of "you know less than the management/front office/coaches, so you shouldn't argue against or question their decisions."

If that would be the case, this whole forum would just be a bunch of homers cheering on every single move the Saints ever make without a fault - I for one don't see the point in that.

This is not directed at anyone in particular, just against this particular evolution of forum behavior that I've come across on various forums more frequently in recent times.

I think the real problem is attacking the knowledge of the front office when there's absolutely no way we know all the facts, and the one's we think we know, we don't really know.

We can criticize a player based on what we know and see on the field. which is probably about 15% to 30% accurate. We don't know what play was called, who was supposed to be where, who recognized a breakdown and tried to compensate and subsequently blamed for the breakdown when it was entirely someone else's fault.

But our knowledge of the business and contract side of the NFL compared to the front office is probably more to the tune of 5% to 10% of what they actually know.

We're merely second guessers. For anyone to suggest they know more than any NFL front office based on anecdotal hits and misses is shortsighted.

Even Jerry Freaking Jones knows more than all of us do!

jnormand · 06-02-2015, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Even Jerry Freaking Jones knows more than all of us do!

Whoa! Take it easy!

jeanpierre · 06-02-2015, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Even Jerry Freaking Jones knows more than all of us do!

I rest my case...

AsylumGuido · 06-03-2015, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I don't get the whole notion of "you know less than the management/front office/coaches, so you shouldn't argue against or question their decisions."

If that would be the case, this whole forum would just be a bunch of homers cheering on every single move the Saints ever make without a fault - I for one don't see the point in that.

This is not directed at anyone in particular, just against this particular evolution of forum behavior that I've come across on various forums more frequently in recent times.

Yes it is getting more and more common across boards all over. I see the same. It comes from the greater amount of information available, coupled with the greater number of members believing this information, regardless whether the source was a "league source", an equally uninformed blogger or simply an unsupported statement by a forum member.

One thing I have learned from my years digging into all the information that I can is that it impossible to ever know the motivations of management and such. Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte.

jeanpierre · 06-03-2015, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte.

Who sets those guidelines?!? < That's rhetorical

https://www.google.com/#q=rhetorical

FinSaint · 06-03-2015, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

One thing I have learned from my years digging into all the information that I can is that it impossible to ever know the motivations of management and such. Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte.

Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way.

Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting.

Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night.

How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..?

I hear he's pretty good...

Danno · 06-03-2015, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way.

Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting.

Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night.

How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..?

I hear he's pretty good...

I could not have said that any better Finster.

Well, I could have but why bother, you nailed it!

Excellent post.

06-02-2015, 06:02 PM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million I don't get the whole notion of "you know less than the management/front office/coaches, so you shouldn't argue against or question their decisions." If that would be the case, this whole forum would just be a bunch of homers cheering on every single move the Saints ever make without a fault - I for one don't see the point in that. This is not directed at anyone in particular, just against this particular evolution of forum behavior that I've come across on various forums more frequently in recent times. spkb25, jeanpierre, halloween 65 and 2 others like this.

06-02-2015, 06:29 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by FinSaint I don't get the whole notion of "you know less than the management/front office/coaches, so you shouldn't argue against or question their decisions." If that would be the case, this whole forum would just be a bunch of homers cheering on every single move the Saints ever make without a fault - I for one don't see the point in that. This is not directed at anyone in particular, just against this particular evolution of forum behavior that I've come across on various forums more frequently in recent times. I think the real problem is attacking the knowledge of the front office when there's absolutely no way we know all the facts, and the one's we think we know, we don't really know. We can criticize a player based on what we know and see on the field. which is probably about 15% to 30% accurate. We don't know what play was called, who was supposed to be where, who recognized a breakdown and tried to compensate and subsequently blamed for the breakdown when it was entirely someone else's fault. But our knowledge of the business and contract side of the NFL compared to the front office is probably more to the tune of 5% to 10% of what they actually know. We're merely second guessers. For anyone to suggest they know more than any NFL front office based on anecdotal hits and misses is shortsighted. Even Jerry Freaking Jones knows more than all of us do!

06-02-2015, 06:47 PM	#3
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by Danno Even Jerry Freaking Jones knows more than all of us do! Whoa! Take it easy!

06-02-2015, 06:52 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by Danno Even Jerry Freaking Jones knows more than all of us do! I rest my case...

06-03-2015, 09:25 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,572	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by FinSaint I don't get the whole notion of "you know less than the management/front office/coaches, so you shouldn't argue against or question their decisions." If that would be the case, this whole forum would just be a bunch of homers cheering on every single move the Saints ever make without a fault - I for one don't see the point in that. This is not directed at anyone in particular, just against this particular evolution of forum behavior that I've come across on various forums more frequently in recent times. Yes it is getting more and more common across boards all over. I see the same. It comes from the greater amount of information available, coupled with the greater number of members believing this information, regardless whether the source was a "league source", an equally uninformed blogger or simply an unsupported statement by a forum member. One thing I have learned from my years digging into all the information that I can is that it impossible to ever know the motivations of management and such. Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte.

06-03-2015, 01:21 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte. Who sets those guidelines?!? < That's rhetorical https://www.google.com/#q=rhetorical

06-03-2015, 04:06 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by AsylumGuido One thing I have learned from my years digging into all the information that I can is that it impossible to ever know the motivations of management and such. Sure, the members have every right to state what ever they wish, within preset guidelines, but with that comes the right of others to tell them that they don't know shyte. Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying. Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way. Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting. Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night. How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..? I hear he's pretty good... Danno, hagan714, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

06-03-2015, 05:11 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Cam Jordan Sign Extension - 5 year 60 million Originally Posted by FinSaint Yes, I see your point and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying. Humans as social animals need to voice their opinions and get feedback to those opinions from their peers - mostly probably to gauge their own perceived self-worth. That's probably why so many of the reporters, bloggers, etc. are so keen on trying to "brake the news" with often times flimsy or even fabricated evidence to back them up. Also, going "against the grain" is another popular strategy whereby one makes opposite claims to the majority view just so that they can say that they were one of the few who saw the truth if the chips happen to fall that way. Now, I'm not saying that people making ridiculous claims without any real evidence to back them up shouldn't be called out on it. I'm just saying that there's a fine line between doing that and suppressing others' opinions. The right to question the establishment with power is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and to silence anyone trying to do that by saying the said establishment knows better, and therefore is above reproach, is to me socially unacceptable. To me it doesn't really make a difference whether the venue happens to be social media, a public debate on TV or a townhall meeting. Ok. Rant over. Time to take my soapbox and turn in for the night. How about that Cameron Jordan fellow..? I hear he's pretty good... I could not have said that any better Finster. Well, I could have but why bother, you nailed it! Excellent post.

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