Jermaine Gresham

saintsfan1976 · 06-04-2015, 07:59 AM

Didn't he have offseason back surgery?

saintsfan1976 · 06-04-2015, 08:05 AM

"He's a man of many, many, many, many, many, many moods,"
- Marvin Lewis

Fumbles, dropped passes and injuries marred what could have been a stellar first five years of his career.

Sure, Gresham has been to the Pro Bowl, but that's not what Bengals fans immediately associate with him.

Before anything else they highlight the two cut off routes he had last season that cost the Bengals at least one touchdown. They also bring up his 11 total fumbles, and untimely drops like the two that came in the wild-card round playoff loss at Houston after the 2012 season.

"He's had inconsistent play, but he's played at a high level," Lewis said. "He's a Pro Bowl player."

And you're balsting Josh Hill?????

jeanpierre · 06-04-2015, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Pass.

Inconsistent player. A head case. Too many injuries. Too many for even Sean Payton to take a chance with.

We're only kicking tires because Payton is buds with Marvin Lewis.

saintsfan1976 · 06-04-2015, 10:51 AM

Ok, now that I've said all that....

Josh Hill (RFA) and Ben Watson (UFA) are free agents in 2016. We'll need a young talent at TE.

Gresham's a dynamic playmaker, nearly elite blocker and at just 26 years old, he's also in the prime of his career.

IF his head is on straight, there is a way this could make sense... but only under these conditions:

- A contract loaded with incentives tied to playing time
- Small signing bonus
- Very little money in 2015
- Very little guaranteed
- Joe Morgan clause (you're a dikk, you're gone)

I don't think Gresham will be healthy enough to play football at the start of the season (similar surgery as Byrd's in 2013) so I wouldn't expect anything to happen right away but IF we sign him it should be:

4 years, $12 million

$4 million guaranteed

$500k in 2015
$800k signing bonus

lumm0x · 06-04-2015, 11:18 AM

I think it's a decent upside move if the price is right. He's an athletic guy who, if the back injury is resolved, could be a solid contributor.

Don't misread Hill's production as anything more than he was the least interesting guy to cover on those plays. Hill wasn't lining up as the primary, secondary or even tertiary threat on those plays. He was the beneficiary of coverage going elsewhere and capitalized on that mismatch. He sees #1 safety coverage all day and we may not see that same explosive handful of plays.

Gresham would be a good add if the price is cheap.

saintsfan1976 · 06-04-2015, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

I think it's a decent upside move if the price is right. He's an athletic guy who, if the back injury is resolved, could be a solid contributor.

Don't misread Hill's production as anything more than he was the least interesting guy to cover on those plays. Hill wasn't lining up as the primary, secondary or even tertiary threat on those plays. He was the beneficiary of coverage going elsewhere and capitalized on that mismatch. He sees #1 safety coverage all day and we may not see that same explosive handful of plays.

Gresham would be a good add if the price is cheap.

I agree with everything you said.

And I'll add (after watching film) that Gresham is more of a big wideout who can block his tail off more than a traditional TE.

Mis-match city. Where Sean Payton is Mayor.

SmashMouth · 06-04-2015, 03:38 PM

He probably wants too many $... tell him to suck it.

CheramieIII · 06-04-2015, 04:00 PM

If the price is right he's got experience and was once a first rounder. Someone saw something special in him and maybe coach can bring that out.

brees84 · 06-04-2015, 04:31 PM

Gresham is solid player. He can be very good in our system. He can't ask too much money. back surgery is always a concern though...

ChrisXVI · 06-04-2015, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

Gresham is solid player. He can be very good in our system. He can't ask too much money. back surgery is always a concern though...

Tell me about it... *cough* Byrd *cough*

06-04-2015, 07:59 AM	#11
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jermaine Gresham Didn't he have offseason back surgery? hagan714 likes this.

06-04-2015, 08:05 AM	#12
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jermaine Gresham "He's a man of many, many, many, many, many, many moods," - Marvin Lewis Fumbles, dropped passes and injuries marred what could have been a stellar first five years of his career. Sure, Gresham has been to the Pro Bowl, but that's not what Bengals fans immediately associate with him. Before anything else they highlight the two cut off routes he had last season that cost the Bengals at least one touchdown. They also bring up his 11 total fumbles, and untimely drops like the two that came in the wild-card round playoff loss at Houston after the 2012 season. "He's had inconsistent play, but he's played at a high level," Lewis said. "He's a Pro Bowl player." And you're balsting Josh Hill?????

06-04-2015, 08:23 AM	#13
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jermaine Gresham Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Pass. Inconsistent player. A head case. Too many injuries. Too many for even Sean Payton to take a chance with. We're only kicking tires because Payton is buds with Marvin Lewis.

06-04-2015, 10:51 AM	#14
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jermaine Gresham Ok, now that I've said all that.... Josh Hill (RFA) and Ben Watson (UFA) are free agents in 2016. We'll need a young talent at TE. Gresham's a dynamic playmaker, nearly elite blocker and at just 26 years old, he's also in the prime of his career. IF his head is on straight, there is a way this could make sense... but only under these conditions: - A contract loaded with incentives tied to playing time - Small signing bonus - Very little money in 2015 - Very little guaranteed - Joe Morgan clause (you're a dikk, you're gone) I don't think Gresham will be healthy enough to play football at the start of the season (similar surgery as Byrd's in 2013) so I wouldn't expect anything to happen right away but IF we sign him it should be: 4 years, $12 million $4 million guaranteed $500k in 2015 $800k signing bonus foreverfan likes this.

06-04-2015, 11:18 AM	#15
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Jermaine Gresham I think it's a decent upside move if the price is right. He's an athletic guy who, if the back injury is resolved, could be a solid contributor. Don't misread Hill's production as anything more than he was the least interesting guy to cover on those plays. Hill wasn't lining up as the primary, secondary or even tertiary threat on those plays. He was the beneficiary of coverage going elsewhere and capitalized on that mismatch. He sees #1 safety coverage all day and we may not see that same explosive handful of plays. Gresham would be a good add if the price is cheap. saintsfan1976, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 1 others like this.

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06-04-2015, 12:07 PM	#16
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jermaine Gresham Originally Posted by lumm0x I think it's a decent upside move if the price is right. He's an athletic guy who, if the back injury is resolved, could be a solid contributor. Don't misread Hill's production as anything more than he was the least interesting guy to cover on those plays. Hill wasn't lining up as the primary, secondary or even tertiary threat on those plays. He was the beneficiary of coverage going elsewhere and capitalized on that mismatch. He sees #1 safety coverage all day and we may not see that same explosive handful of plays. Gresham would be a good add if the price is cheap. I agree with everything you said. And I'll add (after watching film) that Gresham is more of a big wideout who can block his tail off more than a traditional TE. Mis-match city. Where Sean Payton is Mayor. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Jermaine Gresham Originally Posted by brees84 Gresham is solid player. He can be very good in our system. He can't ask too much money. back surgery is always a concern though... Tell me about it... cough Byrd cough hagan714 likes this.

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