Evaluating the Defense

WD52 · 01-31-2005, 05:56 PM

sorry guys I am not on the ball today
can\'t quite get Forum literate today I need schooling so I can post non retarded looking posts

:killtard:

[Edited on 31/1/2005 by WD52]

Danno · 01-31-2005, 06:00 PM

Notice how noone flocks to talk about the D? But then people wanna ask why do we talk about AB so much? Cause that is the biggest hot button topic on here. But I appreciate you taking the effort to bring out the D Scotty. Again, nice job, and thanks for clarifying the shift, I still think it should just round to a C. lol

I\'d have to say thats mostly due to the QB being the most visible. And to the uninformed masses, the QB is the one who gets credit for winning and blame for losing. On a football forum I\'d expect a much more intelligent analysis about personnel issues.
I\'d venture to say the QB posts are some of the most ignored on the forum also.
Everyone has an opinion on their QB. There are way fewer roster-philes out there than there are armchair QB\'s.
And most of the AB posts turn into a personal pissin contest anyway so its not like actual analysis is overwhelming these posts. But I have taken your advise and now just simply ignore them. I feel so much better for it too.
BTW:
The LB/DT/S post you posted did get 60 replies. And I was impressed with the magnanimous insight most contributed.

C\'mon people, expand your mind. AB posts are for sports forum losers!

saintswhodi · 01-31-2005, 06:05 PM

BTW:
The LB/DT/S post you posted did get 60 replies. And I was impressed with the magnanimous insight most contributed.

And to think I did it just for you. lol

I agree the Ab\'s posts are tiresome, even though I am a main participant. I like discussing it with JKool, and ScottyRo, and yourself and BMG and WhoDat, cause they actually have some very good points to be made when it comes to the subject of our QB and in the case of Kool and Scotty, since they are more fencers than being on either side clearly, raise some interesting questions and points. I get caught up in it though, and some can push my buttons on that subject, but I will be like you, unless those guys wanna discuss it, I am gonna try my best to ignore it as well. But then, there isn;t much to talk about except re-hashing D needs and such.

[Edited on 31/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

Danno · 01-31-2005, 06:28 PM

And to think I did it just for you. lol

Gee thanks. One post about every defensive position on the team versus 2.7 million Brooks posts. But thanks for throwing the old dog a bone.

I agree the Ab\'s posts are tiresome,

I am gonna try my best to ignore it as well. But then, there isn;t much to talk about except re-hashing D needs and such.

And about what percent of all the AB posts fall into the \"NOT RE-HASHING\" category?

ScottyRo · 01-31-2005, 06:37 PM

I\'m as guilty as anyone about jumping back into the AB debates.

(I just deleted two paragraphs of AB stuff cuz I was about to blow my own rule. It\'s just so easy to go there.)

I thought that Young didn\'t draw enough double teams. Of course, he\'s not supposed to asmuch as our other DT. That, in turn, caused some double teaming on Grant and Howard. I wish Mr. Buffet would get off his lard butt and turn into hal of what he was expected to be. I betting that doesn\'t happen.

GumboBC · 01-31-2005, 06:48 PM

I wish Mr. Buffet would get off his lard butt and turn into hal of what he was expected to be. I betting that doesn\'t happen.

I\'m assuming you\'re talking about Sullivan?

I wouldn\'t count out Sullivan just yet. Not saying you are...

Sully came out as a junior. He was very immature. Then he got to play along side Grady Jackson, who I believe was a bad influence on on him. Think Sully would have pulled that stuff if he were playing with Ray Lewis?

Sullivan has the talent. And when you have worlds of talent, like Sully, all that is usually needed is motivation.

Sully, at this point, is a high risk/high reward type player. We need someone to push his buttons..

Regardless, this is probably a make or break year for Sully coming up. We can\'t afford too much more of this stuff.

We also can\'t just throw him away right now. Too much upside and money invested.

JKool · 01-31-2005, 07:04 PM

Danno, I am glad that your blood pressure is in line. You have missed a few good AB posts, but I\'m sure you\'ll live.

Young doesn\'t command double teams; he plays small and isn\'t that big to begin with. He\'s more like Glover without the size.

I was fond of Brown several games and not fond of him several others. The knock against McKenzie in GB is that he is a fine cover guy but he doesn\'t tackle well in the open field and he is not too tough against the run. Perhaps some one who was able to see more games than I could say something about that.

If Thomas gets healthy he will help our CBs, but we seriously lack depth and Brown is hard to evaluate. I\'d still like to see us get another good CB in here. I think C is a bit harsh - with McKenzie alone I think we\'re a C. We have some other guys who can contribute. Ambrose is done, I fear - I liked him a lot more than others here. This leaves us with Craft and Thomas for nickle and dime. We need some more players.

Safety is a concern. Bellamy, if I had to guess, will be next year\'s Ambrose. Jones is, IMO, solid but expensive. We need a SS, today. I want to believe that Mitchell will be all that, but he is unproven.

Saint_LB · 01-31-2005, 07:15 PM

It is amazing how people in this forum love to pull numbers, percentages, grades, etc. seemingly out of thin air. I can do that too...

Defensive line...A+
Linebackers......A+
Def. Backs.........A+

Do I really believe these grades...no.
Do they mean anythng to anyone else...no
Do I have a link to back them up......no
Am I impressing anyone...well, you figure that one out.

Just letters I decided to put down there...nothing more.

ScottyRo · 01-31-2005, 07:16 PM

Perhaps some one who was able to see more games than I could say something about that

In one of the first games he played for us, the opposing offense threw to the TE in the flat - or close to the flat. Anyway, as you know that\'s a 5 yard gain on our D everytime. MM came up and cut the TEs legs out from under him in a head-on fashion. It was the best tackle I saw all year.

After that I saw some other guys start tackling that way in that situation. I don\'t know about run support, but I know that MM himself improved the tackling of our team by example. He earned big props from me that day as I had always been skeptical about getting him.

FireVenturi · 01-31-2005, 07:17 PM

Notice how noone flocks to talk about the D? But then people wanna ask why do we talk about AB so much? Cause that is the biggest hot button topic on here. But I appreciate you taking the effort to bring out the D Scotty. Again, nice job, and thanks for clarifying the shift, I still think it should just round to a C. lol

I would agree with a C, and add playcalling and it drops it down to a D-

01-31-2005, 05:56 PM	#11
WD52 Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 80	Evaluating the Defense sorry guys I am not on the ball today can\'t quite get Forum literate today I need schooling so I can post non retarded looking posts :killtard: [Edited on 31/1/2005 by WD52]
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01-31-2005, 06:00 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Evaluating the Defense Notice how noone flocks to talk about the D? But then people wanna ask why do we talk about AB so much? Cause that is the biggest hot button topic on here. But I appreciate you taking the effort to bring out the D Scotty. Again, nice job, and thanks for clarifying the shift, I still think it should just round to a C. lol I\'d have to say thats mostly due to the QB being the most visible. And to the uninformed masses, the QB is the one who gets credit for winning and blame for losing. On a football forum I\'d expect a much more intelligent analysis about personnel issues. I\'d venture to say the QB posts are some of the most ignored on the forum also. Everyone has an opinion on their QB. There are way fewer roster-philes out there than there are armchair QB\'s. And most of the AB posts turn into a personal pissin contest anyway so its not like actual analysis is overwhelming these posts. But I have taken your advise and now just simply ignore them. I feel so much better for it too. BTW: The LB/DT/S post you posted did get 60 replies. And I was impressed with the magnanimous insight most contributed. C\'mon people, expand your mind. AB posts are for sports forum losers!

01-31-2005, 06:05 PM	#13
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Evaluating the Defense BTW: The LB/DT/S post you posted did get 60 replies. And I was impressed with the magnanimous insight most contributed. And to think I did it just for you. lol I agree the Ab\'s posts are tiresome, even though I am a main participant. I like discussing it with JKool, and ScottyRo, and yourself and BMG and WhoDat, cause they actually have some very good points to be made when it comes to the subject of our QB and in the case of Kool and Scotty, since they are more fencers than being on either side clearly, raise some interesting questions and points. I get caught up in it though, and some can push my buttons on that subject, but I will be like you, unless those guys wanna discuss it, I am gonna try my best to ignore it as well. But then, there isn;t much to talk about except re-hashing D needs and such. [Edited on 31/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

01-31-2005, 06:28 PM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Evaluating the Defense And to think I did it just for you. lol Gee thanks. One post about every defensive position on the team versus 2.7 million Brooks posts. But thanks for throwing the old dog a bone. I agree the Ab\'s posts are tiresome, I am gonna try my best to ignore it as well. But then, there isn;t much to talk about except re-hashing D needs and such. And about what percent of all the AB posts fall into the \"NOT RE-HASHING\" category?

01-31-2005, 06:37 PM	#15
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Evaluating the Defense I\'m as guilty as anyone about jumping back into the AB debates. (I just deleted two paragraphs of AB stuff cuz I was about to blow my own rule. It\'s just so easy to go there.) I thought that Young didn\'t draw enough double teams. Of course, he\'s not supposed to asmuch as our other DT. That, in turn, caused some double teaming on Grant and Howard. I wish Mr. Buffet would get off his lard butt and turn into hal of what he was expected to be. I betting that doesn\'t happen.

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01-31-2005, 06:48 PM	#16
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Evaluating the Defense I wish Mr. Buffet would get off his lard butt and turn into hal of what he was expected to be. I betting that doesn\'t happen. I\'m assuming you\'re talking about Sullivan? I wouldn\'t count out Sullivan just yet. Not saying you are... Sully came out as a junior. He was very immature. Then he got to play along side Grady Jackson, who I believe was a bad influence on on him. Think Sully would have pulled that stuff if he were playing with Ray Lewis? Sullivan has the talent. And when you have worlds of talent, like Sully, all that is usually needed is motivation. Sully, at this point, is a high risk/high reward type player. We need someone to push his buttons.. Regardless, this is probably a make or break year for Sully coming up. We can\'t afford too much more of this stuff. We also can\'t just throw him away right now. Too much upside and money invested.
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01-31-2005, 07:04 PM	#17
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Evaluating the Defense Danno, I am glad that your blood pressure is in line. You have missed a few good AB posts, but I\'m sure you\'ll live. Young doesn\'t command double teams; he plays small and isn\'t that big to begin with. He\'s more like Glover without the size. I was fond of Brown several games and not fond of him several others. The knock against McKenzie in GB is that he is a fine cover guy but he doesn\'t tackle well in the open field and he is not too tough against the run. Perhaps some one who was able to see more games than I could say something about that. If Thomas gets healthy he will help our CBs, but we seriously lack depth and Brown is hard to evaluate. I\'d still like to see us get another good CB in here. I think C is a bit harsh - with McKenzie alone I think we\'re a C. We have some other guys who can contribute. Ambrose is done, I fear - I liked him a lot more than others here. This leaves us with Craft and Thomas for nickle and dime. We need some more players. Safety is a concern. Bellamy, if I had to guess, will be next year\'s Ambrose. Jones is, IMO, solid but expensive. We need a SS, today. I want to believe that Mitchell will be all that, but he is unproven.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

01-31-2005, 07:15 PM	#18
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Evaluating the Defense It is amazing how people in this forum love to pull numbers, percentages, grades, etc. seemingly out of thin air. I can do that too... Defensive line...A+ Linebackers......A+ Def. Backs.........A+ Do I really believe these grades...no. Do they mean anythng to anyone else...no Do I have a link to back them up......no Am I impressing anyone...well, you figure that one out. Just letters I decided to put down there...nothing more.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894

01-31-2005, 07:16 PM	#19
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Evaluating the Defense Perhaps some one who was able to see more games than I could say something about that In one of the first games he played for us, the opposing offense threw to the TE in the flat - or close to the flat. Anyway, as you know that\'s a 5 yard gain on our D everytime. MM came up and cut the TEs legs out from under him in a head-on fashion. It was the best tackle I saw all year. After that I saw some other guys start tackling that way in that situation. I don\'t know about run support, but I know that MM himself improved the tackling of our team by example. He earned big props from me that day as I had always been skeptical about getting him.

01-31-2005, 07:17 PM	#20
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Evaluating the Defense Notice how noone flocks to talk about the D? But then people wanna ask why do we talk about AB so much? Cause that is the biggest hot button topic on here. But I appreciate you taking the effort to bring out the D Scotty. Again, nice job, and thanks for clarifying the shift, I still think it should just round to a C. lol I would agree with a C, and add playcalling and it drops it down to a D-