I almost forgot how condescending you were. But back to the point, of course atheists want to remove the ten commandments, aswell. That goes without saying. And, as with any person or group of people who don't believe in the bible there are homosexuals included in that, because what used to be the separation of church and state long stood in their way. It clearly doesn't anymore. Some of these people claim to believe in God, yet simultaneously (somehow) don't believe in what the bible says.

Now I used the ten commandments as one reference, but there are countless other christian values being thrown out the window due to pressure from activists of all kinds. In the spirit of freedom, I'm all for people having a choice. I might not agree with everyone, but everyone should get to make up their own mind. What I'm not ok with is people trying to use something like marriage for something it was never intended for, and turning around and saying that we MUST BY LAW accept this. We didn't get a vote. We got it rammed down our throats.

Do I take offense to that? You're damn right I do. How the hell do you expect me to respond? You seem to lack a great deal of perspective here in saying that I'm taking more offense. Does a rebel flag infringe your rights? You're free to love it or hate it. Gay marriage makes a mockery of the very essence of marriage. And before you say "well that's just your opinion, not everyone believes in the same things you do", that is why we had the separation of church and state in the first place. All I ask is to be able to keep the integrity within the things I believe in, and you can do whatever you think is right. The two should not collide.

And if you think that none of this is real when we can plainly see it on our televisions or, in some cases, right in front of our faces, then I guess no news service is legitimate enough. I didn't form my opinions or observations based on this one article. I didn't even remember that it was canal street chronicles, hence the reason I had no idea what CSC stood for.

Too much rambling there, and frankly this is not the place to discuss this... but what the heck:

The bible is NOT the U.S. Constitution. And no, you do not get to vote on the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. It is up to the courts to interpret it.

I believe the U.S. Constitution says something about "all men created equal" or something like that... funny, back then they didn't think of adding women to that line; imagine what would've happened if women's suffrage had been put to a vote...

You don't want anyone imposing their beliefs and morality on you, but you have absolutely no issue imposing your beliefs and morality on other people, "because it is in the bible". Makes sense.

If you truly believe in what the bible says, then I'd suggest reading Mark 12:17. Yes, the part about giving to Caesar what it is Caesar's.

Speaking of "making a mockery the essence of marriage" and "not what's intended for", I think it is the very high divorce rate and the rate of domestic violence (to the tune of 1 woman beaten every 9 seconds) that make much more a mockery of marriage than people of the same sex getting married. I guess God intended husbands to beat their wives and leave them :\
Oh, and fun fact: on average, lesbian couples have longer, more monogamous relationships than man-woman or man-man relationships.

I do not have an issue with anyone's inalienable right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, no matter what an old book written centuries ago by who knows who in a land far, far away.

You are without a doubt the biggest troll on this site.

What part of separation of church and state did you not understand?

Marriage was created for people to make their relationship legitimate and acceptable to God. You can disagree with that, and not believe in God all you want, but that is why it came into existence.

You say I'm pushing my beliefs on others? Negative.

If you are gay and want to be in a relationship, do what you want, but you don't need to be married.

don't infringe on things that are sacred for me and those who share the same faith as me.

I have news for you, there is only one truth.

If you think my words are rambling, then that says a lot about your comprehension skills.

We don't vote on interpretation of the constitution? What is there to interpret?

I'VE VOTED AGAINST SEX MARRIAGE IN THIS STATE. And now, suddenly, the states have no voice? Good luck coming up with a lie to explain that away.

I never said the Bible was the constitution. But the constitution had a law... what was it again? Oh yeah, that ole separation of church and state again. If you enjoy being controlled by the courts, good luck to you.

And lastly, divorce rates have nothing to do with the "essence of marriage" I spoke of.

If you don't believe in God in the first place, it will never even occur to you. Why don't you just for a moment consider that God is real. Would it matter how long ago the Bible was written? If it is the word of God, does it become outdated? What if I tell you the stories of your ancestors are outdated and that no one should believe it? Time can't bend truth, only people choose to do so.

Calling me names is not going to make you right, you know?


I don't understand it? LOL. It is you who do not seem to understand it. Because you say that, then on the very next sentence you drop this gem:

Oh, and it gets better... you make this statement:

But then you sprinkle your rant with statements like:



Yeah, not pushing anything... right.


You are rambling. My comprehension skills are fine. You are a bible thumper who thinks his bible supersedes the U.S. Constitution.


That is a good one.

Lie? Why would I come up with a lie? It is actually very, very simple. A challenge was made in court against the constitutionality of such actions.


Again, you keep on bringing the separation of church and state, but want your religious beliefs to become the law of the land. Can't you see how you are contradicting yourself here? "There is separation of church and state, but I don't want gays to marry because the bible says only a man a a woman should be married". Do your really not see your contradiction?


So what is this "essence", then? Would it be something like love for each other, respect for each other, commitment to each other? I guess you think such concepts are only possible between a man and a woman? Because the bible tells you so?


The stories of my ancestors, you can tell me whatever you want, but I'd probably have some level of physical evidence of such stories, and at least I can come up with sound, coherent theories, based on that physical evidence. Now obviously, the further time passes, the more diluted this evidence and the stories themselves get.

With the bible, there is no actual evidence most it says is remotely factual. For example: what proof can you give me that Jesus came back to life? Or that he cured leprosy? Or that he made fish and bread rain from the skies? None whatsoever, other than words written by someone a couple thousand years ago, who by the way, was not God himself.

You ask if I've ever considered whether God is real, and I take it you mean the Judaeo-Christian God...I'll ask you this: do you really know why you are a Christian and believe in the Judaist God?

You're basically telling me it's ok for the supreme court top do whatever they want, just because they can.

Secondly, I am not contradicting myself in speaking of separation of church and state. My point is very simple. Marriage is (meaning should be) for the church.

...but in cases where people DO try to get married in, say, a protestant church and the pastor says no, the church will be in danger of losing it's tax exempt status, and that isn't to mention the public display it will likely be made into.

Just look at how people yourself respond to me taking a stance.

And as far as I know you aren't gay.

What do I mean by essence of marriage? Simple. One man, one woman, united before God.
Sin is sin. The thing about a same sex marriage is that it's a sin before it even gets started. Now the law doesn't define it that way anymore, yes, I know.

Calling me a bible thumper is the oldest trick in the book. You don't like that I'm not a cowardly PC tool like almost everyone else. I'm not here for a high five.

You don't like that I said there is only one truth? Prove me wrong then. When I said that I made sure to leave the door open for your beliefs, but you're too eager to attack my words and paint me as a hypocrite instead of reading what I say and giving an actual response. I said you can interpret the truth however you want... That means even if you think I'm wrong and you're right (which is the case for both us) there is still only one truth. We can't both be right. In theory, we could both be wrong. But there is a truth, as to how we got here and who is really in charge, or if you are an atheist, that we all just got here from some massive cosmic fart. There aren't multiple answers.

Do I have physical evidence on hand to show you? No, not personally, and neither does an atheist have physical evidence that we weren't created.

Why do I believe in God? I'll give you the answer that is easiest to understand. Prophesy. The bible WAS written a long time ago, meaning it couldn't have knowledge of anything going on recently without divine knowledge.

There have been many,many prophecies that have been fulfilled, to perfection. Many of those prophecies were fulfilled within the time frame of the bible, as it was written over a very long period of time. So if you want something more current, look no further than end time prophecy. The signs are everywhere and America is filling out just about the entire list. It would take a lot longer to go through it all, so here is a link with a lot information including where to look in the bible and see it for yourself. Prophecy Being Fulfilled in Current Events

This isn't new to any of us who have followed it, but it is clearly accelerating.

Everything I said to you, I stand by 100%. The Constitution was supposed to protect the rights of the church as much as any other party. These judges have usurped the constitution in their rulings. You're basically telling me it's ok for the supreme court top do whatever they want, just because they can. That's a very dangerous thing.

Secondly, I am not contradicting myself in speaking of separation of church and state. My point is very simple. Marriage is (meaning should be) for the church. But I'm not legally forbidding homosexual from entering into some other kind of civil union. It takes no advantages away from them, while allowing the church to practice marriage under it's own laws. Now I'm aware that this will not always include Christian churches, but in cases where people DO try to get married in, say, a protestant church and the pastor says no, the church will be in danger of losing it's tax exempt status, and that isn't to mention the public display it will likely be made into. Just look at how people yourself respond to me taking a stance. And as far as I know you aren't gay. anytime someone on tv is asked for an honest answer about homosexuality and says something as simple as " I don't agree with it", he gets bashed and told to apologize.

What do I mean by essence of marriage? Simple. One man, one woman, united before God. If a man marries a woman, and proceeds to beat her, he is breaking the sanctity of marriage just as much as a homosexual in an obviously much different manner. Sin is Sin. The thing about a same sex marriage is that it's a sin before it even gets started. Now the law doesn't define it that way anymore, yes, I know.

Calling me a bible thumper is the oldest trick in the book. You don't like that I'm not a cowardly PC tool like almost everyone else. I'm not here for a high five.

You don't like that I said there is only one truth? Prove me wrong then. When I said that I made sure to leave the door open for your beliefs, but you're too eager to attack my words and paint me as a hypocrite instead of reading what I say and giving an actual response. I said you can interpret the truth however you want... That means even if you think I'm wrong and you're right (which is the case for both us) there is still only one truth. We can't both be right. In theory, we could both be wrong. But there is a truth, as to how we got here and who is really in charge, or if you are an atheist, that we all just got here from some massive cosmic fart. There aren't multiple answers.

Do I have physical evidence on hand to show you? No, not personally, and neither does an atheist have physical evidence that we weren't created. Why do I believe in God? I'll give you the answer that is easiest to understand. Prophesy. The bible WAS written a long time ago, meaning it couldn't have knowledge of anything going on recently without divine knowledge.

There have been many,many prophecies that have been fulfilled, to perfection. Many of those prophecies were fulfilled within the time frame of the bible, as it was written over a very long period of time. So if you want something more current, look no further than end time prophecy. The signs are everywhere and America is filling out just about the entire list. It would take a lot longer to go through it all, so here is a link with a lot information including where to look in the bible and see it for yourself. Prophecy Being Fulfilled in Current Events

This isn't new to any of us who have followed it, but it is clearly accelerating.

Here's a poem for you, Tobias.

The Hollow Men by T S Eliot - Famous poems, famous poets. - All Poetry