Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money..

Danno · 02-02-2005, 05:31 PM

I don\'t mind top-5 money for Deuce, just put a workout/weight clause in it.

If he works out, and comes into camp fit and trim (220 to 230), I think he can flirt with 2000 yards. Of course that depends on upgrading an O-lineman or two.

He\'d be worth the money with a weight clause.

saintswhodi · 02-02-2005, 05:38 PM

I agree with that Danno, but Sullivan has a weight clause, Haslett swore in the offseason they would enforce it and they didn\'t. Maybe since Deuce is a star they will be more forceful, but then that seems hypocritical and detrimental to the team.

Danno · 02-02-2005, 05:41 PM

I agree with that Danno, but Sullivan has a weight clause, Haslett swore in the offseason they would enforce it and they didn\'t. Maybe since Deuce is a star they will be more forceful, but then that seems hypocritical and detrimental to the team.

I thought it was 315 lbs, and he made it down to that.
The players union would pinch a cowloaf if Haz tried to fine Sully just for being lazy. Although I\'d love to see both happen

saintswhodi · 02-02-2005, 06:10 PM

I don\'t recall him ever making it down to 315. Not by the time they had set for fines. If he did during the season I would be shocked. My point was though, they never enforced it so they can\'t very well do it to Deuce. Eventhough I agree with you and would like them to.

spkb25 · 02-02-2005, 07:41 PM

well i cant see trading deuce. i think we should keep him because he will get the money even if he isnt here. i dont know who we have to replace him. until we have someone that can we have to pay the man. i dont think a weight clause would hurt though.

FireVenturi · 02-02-2005, 07:53 PM

what you dont do is trade mccalister.... if they would play him right (with carney in front blocking for him) he is freaking awesome... there is not a better back out there for us.... what you DO is ship AB and his 6 mill a year salary and get someone decent with lower pay (anyone is better than him) duece played for peanuts the last few years and earned his money..... if they get rid of him i will have no more reason to watch the saints... we get rid of heart and keep people who dont really care... unload sullivan, he should be in breech of his contract since he is out of football shape and was inactive and it was not due to injury....

there are guys they can un;load to keep deuce....but watch them stay par with what they do by keeping sullivan and brooks and shipping out deuce....

No way you give him top 5 money, he is not a top 5 RB. You pay him in the 6-10 range and if he don\'t like it he can hold-out...But I wouldn\'t ship either him or Brooks out.

TheJudge · 02-02-2005, 08:49 PM

i think some people are getting too used to having a 1000+ yard back every year now... when have the saints ever had a consistant 1000 yard back in the last ten years? now that he gives you 1000 (even on a hurt year) people want to say he is not worth the money he wants? i think haveing 1000+ yards a year is a big thing, nothing to spit at... there are plenty teams out there who would love to have a back they knew would produce every year... he would have had more if they would have had karney blocking for him in teh i formation instead of that 2 TE **** they had the first few games... and the only reason that stopped somewhat is because Deuce went to hasslett and demanded that he have a FB....it was a terrible scheme they ran this year and he was hurt but still put up great yardage....

dont get numb to the fact he gets that kind of yardage every year and expect more.....

D_it_up · 02-02-2005, 09:30 PM

Also take into consideration that due to the horrendous Saints defense, Deuce wasn\'t able to touch the ball. The ball was in the air more than it was on the ground. Had the defense pulled their heads out of their butts a bit sooner, Deuce could\'ve been over 1200 yards.....easily.

papz · 02-03-2005, 12:00 AM

When he\'s not injured, he is a top 5 back without a doubt. Look at the numbers he put up, he carries this team on his back. He\'s also a fan favorite and puts people in the seats. He definately deserves his money. Look at the rookie contract he signed with us. We got WAY more than our money\'s worth. Time to reimburse. Unless we pull some kind of crazy draft and select a top back, but why risk it when we have the sure thing...

Joe Horn wants an extension and more money. Doesn\'t it seem to you that he gets it re-done like every freaking year?

CHACHING · 02-03-2005, 12:31 AM

DEUCE IS A HOG!!!!!........
Give him the money.........who else is as productive on the team?????.(even hurt).......not to mention passion for playing with the saints...............stopit ya\'ll......pay him and move on....

02-02-2005, 05:31 PM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. I don\'t mind top-5 money for Deuce, just put a workout/weight clause in it. If he works out, and comes into camp fit and trim (220 to 230), I think he can flirt with 2000 yards. Of course that depends on upgrading an O-lineman or two. He\'d be worth the money with a weight clause.

02-02-2005, 05:38 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. I agree with that Danno, but Sullivan has a weight clause, Haslett swore in the offseason they would enforce it and they didn\'t. Maybe since Deuce is a star they will be more forceful, but then that seems hypocritical and detrimental to the team.

02-02-2005, 05:41 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. I agree with that Danno, but Sullivan has a weight clause, Haslett swore in the offseason they would enforce it and they didn\'t. Maybe since Deuce is a star they will be more forceful, but then that seems hypocritical and detrimental to the team. I thought it was 315 lbs, and he made it down to that. The players union would pinch a cowloaf if Haz tried to fine Sully just for being lazy. Although I\'d love to see both happen

02-02-2005, 06:10 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. I don\'t recall him ever making it down to 315. Not by the time they had set for fines. If he did during the season I would be shocked. My point was though, they never enforced it so they can\'t very well do it to Deuce. Eventhough I agree with you and would like them to.

02-02-2005, 07:41 PM	#15
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. well i cant see trading deuce. i think we should keep him because he will get the money even if he isnt here. i dont know who we have to replace him. until we have someone that can we have to pay the man. i dont think a weight clause would hurt though.

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02-02-2005, 07:53 PM	#16
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. what you dont do is trade mccalister.... if they would play him right (with carney in front blocking for him) he is freaking awesome... there is not a better back out there for us.... what you DO is ship AB and his 6 mill a year salary and get someone decent with lower pay (anyone is better than him) duece played for peanuts the last few years and earned his money..... if they get rid of him i will have no more reason to watch the saints... we get rid of heart and keep people who dont really care... unload sullivan, he should be in breech of his contract since he is out of football shape and was inactive and it was not due to injury.... there are guys they can un;load to keep deuce....but watch them stay par with what they do by keeping sullivan and brooks and shipping out deuce.... No way you give him top 5 money, he is not a top 5 RB. You pay him in the 6-10 range and if he don\'t like it he can hold-out...But I wouldn\'t ship either him or Brooks out.

02-02-2005, 08:49 PM	#17
TheJudge 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 100	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. i think some people are getting too used to having a 1000+ yard back every year now... when have the saints ever had a consistant 1000 yard back in the last ten years? now that he gives you 1000 (even on a hurt year) people want to say he is not worth the money he wants? i think haveing 1000+ yards a year is a big thing, nothing to spit at... there are plenty teams out there who would love to have a back they knew would produce every year... he would have had more if they would have had karney blocking for him in teh i formation instead of that 2 TE **** they had the first few games... and the only reason that stopped somewhat is because Deuce went to hasslett and demanded that he have a FB....it was a terrible scheme they ran this year and he was hurt but still put up great yardage.... dont get numb to the fact he gets that kind of yardage every year and expect more.....
TheJudge 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 100

02-02-2005, 09:30 PM	#18
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. Also take into consideration that due to the horrendous Saints defense, Deuce wasn\'t able to touch the ball. The ball was in the air more than it was on the ground. Had the defense pulled their heads out of their butts a bit sooner, Deuce could\'ve been over 1200 yards.....easily.

02-03-2005, 12:00 AM	#19
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. When he\'s not injured, he is a top 5 back without a doubt. Look at the numbers he put up, he carries this team on his back. He\'s also a fan favorite and puts people in the seats. He definately deserves his money. Look at the rookie contract he signed with us. We got WAY more than our money\'s worth. Time to reimburse. Unless we pull some kind of crazy draft and select a top back, but why risk it when we have the sure thing... Joe Horn wants an extension and more money. Doesn\'t it seem to you that he gets it re-done like every freaking year?
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

02-03-2005, 12:31 AM	#20
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Looks like Deuce wants top-5 money.. DEUCE IS A HOG!!!!!........ Give him the money.........who else is as productive on the team?????.(even hurt).......not to mention passion for playing with the saints...............stopit ya\'ll......pay him and move on....