Danno

Rugby Saint II

Just coach up the talent and put them in a position to succeed.

jeanpierre

jeanpierre

Chris, no question same defensive scheme...

But not the same defensive personnel...

I'd rather have something like what Pittsburgh used to have with the talent we've brought in at linebacker, nose tackle...

ChrisXVI

Don't get me wrong, I was thrilled about the move to a 3-4, and it did indeed seem like we finally started adding the right pieces. I'm kinda pi$$ed that we never actually fully committed to it over the last two years. Some folks here said that adding Dennis Allen would probably facilitate a move back to the 4-3 and I didn't want to believe it... But they were right.


We just can't seem to find consistency on defense. The thing that I don't get is that Sean Payton came back from his suspension and the first thing he did was fire Spagnuolo and announce we're changing to a 3-4. We proceeded to waffle on making that transition for two years before apparently giving up on it.

SaintsBro

I have been thinking for a while that the whole "changing from 4-3 to 3-4" thing may have just been Payton's typical OCD, short attention span type thinking. Or maybe he was just trolling everyone, putting out a smokescreen, and was never really intending to go all the way to a REAL 3-4, all the time, as the main defense. Some of the player and draft decisions made during that "transition" certainly seemed half-baked or not all the way thought out. I'm not sure that they really knew what they wanted, or maybe they glibly said a bunch of stuff about switching, and then realized later how complex and difficult the changeover would be, with the people and coaches they have....

Right now minus Galette, they look like they are doing the usual obsessive/compulsive tinkering, throwing things against the wall to see what sticks -- very typical for Payton/Loomis. And Ryan fits right in with that mentality.

saintsfan1976

Name it whatever you want. Fact remains, this organization has a history of putting square defensive pegs in round defensive holes.

Just because this year's defense has a new name, doesn't mean that's changed...yet.

dizzle88

I don't understand the logic sometimes

Payton announces we are going to a 3-4 so we start drafting 3-4 personell, we then give up after 2 years with a roster full of 3-4 suited players.

homerj07

Is it really anything specific? Doesn't Ryan create kind do a hybrid D?

Do agree with jeanpierre though - depth is a problem.

hagan714

There really is no 34 or 43 base defenses anymore. 40% or less of all defensive plays are what we call standard 34 or 43 sets. pass happy and point orientated NFL has changed all of that. Defenses can no longer play defense like they did. like the NBA it is all about manufacturing points and hand cuffing the defense so offense thrives. soon one day they will be awarding 7 points for all plays over 40 yards and 8 points for all plays over 80.

The new base defense are the sub packages.