Pass Blocking and McCarthy?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-05-2005, 07:50 PM

It is also true that MOST QBs don\'t often have more than 2-3 seconds

That\'s your opinion, and you\'re entitled to it. But when I watch Brady, Peyton, and some of the best QBs, I see \'em getting much more time to throw than our QB.

In fact I saw a piece during the season that pointed out that Daunte Culpepper\'s offense was predicated on having 5-7 second pockets designed to let the receivers get down the field.

SFIAH

GumboBC · 02-05-2005, 08:04 PM

In fact I saw a piece during the season that pointed out that Daunte Culpepper\'s offense was predicated on having 5-7 second pockets designed to let the receivers get down the field.

I\'ve seen Culpepper sit back there and read a book!!

I\'ve been criticizing this offesive lines poor pass blocking for 2 years.

My dad is the biggest Brooks basher in the world. I regularly watch the Saints games, as well as other games, with my dad.

To prove a point to my dad, we counted how many seconds Brooks has from the time the ball is snapped to the time when Brooks HAS to move. It\'s usually 3 seconds. About 75% of the time, Brooks HAS to move or he WILL get sacked.

Then, me and my dad have compared the time Peyton Manning (which is my dads idol) has from the time the ball is snapped to the time he has to move.

Manning regularly gets 5 seconds or more. And I\'ve done this same experiment for Brady and a lot of other QBs.

And another thing I\'ve noticed is Brooks generally doesn\'t have any room to step up and avoid the pass rush.

Now, there are times when Brooks doesn\'t do what he should and gets himself in trouble.

But, leaving Brooks out of it, our offensive line isn\'t providing enough time..

I just don\'t understand why folks are even attempting to stand up for our offensive line.

It\'s bad. Really. Some of you need to get past Aaron Brooks and smell the coffee. Or something.

ScottyRo · 02-05-2005, 08:22 PM

I didn\'t read the entirety of this thread so take my comments with that.

I don\'t see why there is a need to quibble over whose o-line was worse. Regardless of what another team might have done with a bad o-line, it was plainly obvious most of the season that our o-line sucked - especially in pass protections and in short yardage rushing situations.

AB rarely ever got adequate time to throw. I complained about that in the preseason and I complained early on. I think they improved - especially Bentley. I think they worked many of the snapping bugs out.

JKool · 02-05-2005, 09:09 PM

Whodi, check.

Billy, the way it was calculated is included with the link, including arguments for why it should be calculated that way.

Scotty, our line was a problem and it was bad, no matter how you slice it up. However, it is unlikely they were the worst.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-05-2005, 09:14 PM

Billy,

I did want to thank you for coming back here and shouldering the load against the BMGAAC (At All Costs) crowd. Frankly I just got tired of arguing.

The car analogy above struck a chord with me. I really feel that Brooks is like a busted headlight in the car: somewhat troublesome but not so damaging to the overall system as to put as the sole concern.

What none of the BMGAAC crowd won\'t own up to are the fact that Brooks numbers are good enough to get the job done. Name every NFL QB who has had a minimum of 20 TD passes and 3500+ yards over the last 4 seasons. Guess what? You\'ll find that it\'s a very very very short list.

I hold on to a single fact: The Saints in the last 4 years are 20-8 when the team holds the opposition to less than 21 points including 4-0 in the last 4 games.

Brooks isn\'t perfect. I wish he would keep his yap shut first and foremost.

But I float in and out of the continual debate because it gets old.

It looks like we\'re standing pat with Haslett, Venturi, and Brooks.

So now what?

SFIAH

GumboBC · 02-05-2005, 09:49 PM

Billy,

I did want to thank you for coming back here and shouldering the load against the BMGAAC (At All Costs) crowd. Frankly I just got tired of arguing.

SaintFanInATLHELL-

Thanks. I\'m glad to see you here as well. It doesn\'t bother me that I\'m in the minority here. I\'ve never needed to be in the majority just to fit in...

We have some very knowledgeable folks here.

But, we\'ve got some I feel who really don\'t understand how much of a TEAM game football is.

While I think the QB is the most important postion on the field, I don\'t think it out-weighs the \"team\" concept.

The other 10 guys on the offense affects the QB much more than the QB affects them.

The QB needs 5 guys on the line to pass block for him. The receivers are in front of the 0-line and it really doesn\'t affect them that much. Same thing for the TE.

And the receivers affect the QB much more than the QB affects them. All the receiver has to do is run his route. If the QB doesn\'t throw the ball to him, it doesn\'t make them look bad.

But if the receiver doesn\'t catch the ball or runs the wrong route, it\'s the QBs stats it affects and it\'s the QB who usually receives the blame.

I could go on, but what\'s the use......

They\'ll learn one day....

02-05-2005, 07:50 PM	#21
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Pass Blocking and McCarthy? It is also true that MOST QBs don\'t often have more than 2-3 seconds That\'s your opinion, and you\'re entitled to it. But when I watch Brady, Peyton, and some of the best QBs, I see \'em getting much more time to throw than our QB. In fact I saw a piece during the season that pointed out that Daunte Culpepper\'s offense was predicated on having 5-7 second pockets designed to let the receivers get down the field. SFIAH

02-05-2005, 08:04 PM	#22
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Pass Blocking and McCarthy? In fact I saw a piece during the season that pointed out that Daunte Culpepper\'s offense was predicated on having 5-7 second pockets designed to let the receivers get down the field. I\'ve seen Culpepper sit back there and read a book!! I\'ve been criticizing this offesive lines poor pass blocking for 2 years. My dad is the biggest Brooks basher in the world. I regularly watch the Saints games, as well as other games, with my dad. To prove a point to my dad, we counted how many seconds Brooks has from the time the ball is snapped to the time when Brooks HAS to move. It\'s usually 3 seconds. About 75% of the time, Brooks HAS to move or he WILL get sacked. Then, me and my dad have compared the time Peyton Manning (which is my dads idol) has from the time the ball is snapped to the time he has to move. Manning regularly gets 5 seconds or more. And I\'ve done this same experiment for Brady and a lot of other QBs. And another thing I\'ve noticed is Brooks generally doesn\'t have any room to step up and avoid the pass rush. Now, there are times when Brooks doesn\'t do what he should and gets himself in trouble. But, leaving Brooks out of it, our offensive line isn\'t providing enough time.. I just don\'t understand why folks are even attempting to stand up for our offensive line. It\'s bad. Really. Some of you need to get past Aaron Brooks and smell the coffee. Or something.
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02-05-2005, 08:22 PM	#23
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Pass Blocking and McCarthy? I didn\'t read the entirety of this thread so take my comments with that. I don\'t see why there is a need to quibble over whose o-line was worse. Regardless of what another team might have done with a bad o-line, it was plainly obvious most of the season that our o-line sucked - especially in pass protections and in short yardage rushing situations. AB rarely ever got adequate time to throw. I complained about that in the preseason and I complained early on. I think they improved - especially Bentley. I think they worked many of the snapping bugs out.

02-05-2005, 09:09 PM	#24
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Pass Blocking and McCarthy? Whodi, check. Billy, the way it was calculated is included with the link, including arguments for why it should be calculated that way. Scotty, our line was a problem and it was bad, no matter how you slice it up. However, it is unlikely they were the worst.

02-05-2005, 09:14 PM	#25
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Pass Blocking and McCarthy? Billy, I did want to thank you for coming back here and shouldering the load against the BMGAAC (At All Costs) crowd. Frankly I just got tired of arguing. The car analogy above struck a chord with me. I really feel that Brooks is like a busted headlight in the car: somewhat troublesome but not so damaging to the overall system as to put as the sole concern. What none of the BMGAAC crowd won\'t own up to are the fact that Brooks numbers are good enough to get the job done. Name every NFL QB who has had a minimum of 20 TD passes and 3500+ yards over the last 4 seasons. Guess what? You\'ll find that it\'s a very very very short list. I hold on to a single fact: The Saints in the last 4 years are 20-8 when the team holds the opposition to less than 21 points including 4-0 in the last 4 games. Brooks isn\'t perfect. I wish he would keep his yap shut first and foremost. But I float in and out of the continual debate because it gets old. It looks like we\'re standing pat with Haslett, Venturi, and Brooks. So now what? SFIAH
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02-05-2005, 09:49 PM	#26
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Pass Blocking and McCarthy? Billy, I did want to thank you for coming back here and shouldering the load against the BMGAAC (At All Costs) crowd. Frankly I just got tired of arguing. SaintFanInATLHELL- Thanks. I\'m glad to see you here as well. It doesn\'t bother me that I\'m in the minority here. I\'ve never needed to be in the majority just to fit in... We have some very knowledgeable folks here. But, we\'ve got some I feel who really don\'t understand how much of a TEAM game football is. While I think the QB is the most important postion on the field, I don\'t think it out-weighs the \"team\" concept. The other 10 guys on the offense affects the QB much more than the QB affects them. The QB needs 5 guys on the line to pass block for him. The receivers are in front of the 0-line and it really doesn\'t affect them that much. Same thing for the TE. And the receivers affect the QB much more than the QB affects them. All the receiver has to do is run his route. If the QB doesn\'t throw the ball to him, it doesn\'t make them look bad. But if the receiver doesn\'t catch the ball or runs the wrong route, it\'s the QBs stats it affects and it\'s the QB who usually receives the blame. I could go on, but what\'s the use...... They\'ll learn one day....
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