So what if the Saints do start to suck

The Dude · 08-09-2015, 08:24 PM

After being a contender for so long and winning a Super Bowl are we as fans going to be able to go back to enjoying watching games just to see them play and have a good time? I have been a Saints fan for over 30 years and used to love to watch or go to games just to see them play and have something to cheer for. They usually lost, but there was always a possibility something out of character would happen. We would be happy just to win the game, the playoffs were just an afterthought. Then we got to the playoffs and a higher bar was set. We still had down years but we still would enjoy them win or lose. After winning it all can we go back to that? Or maybe the question should be can you go back to that. Hopefully we can hold them to a higher standard now. Hopefully the organization will find a way to get us right back in there even after a slump. Something has definitely changed though. I don't think I will be happy just having a winning season anymore. Its going to be playoffs or nothing. I will still watch and cheer, but I expect more.

jeanpierre · 08-09-2015, 10:06 PM

One thing that annoys me is this thinking that we have to win while we still have Drew; with all due respect, F*** Drew...

Was a big Jimmy Graham fan, but if that trade wins us games (and with Unger and Stephone Anthony in return), so be it...

I'm a Saints fan, if we traded Brees tomorrow and spent another year developing and then came back on a decade run like the Pats have had, I'd be thrilled...

Before Payton and now, I've always wanted and pulled for the Saints to win the whole thing every year; irregardless of Drew, I want to win this year and every year...

If you're not playing to win, then why play the game?!?

And the two most indispensable people to the team right now are Sean Payton and Jeff Ireland...

QBREES9 · 08-09-2015, 10:14 PM

Well said.

The Dude · 08-09-2015, 10:44 PM

Exactly. They could replace every single player and coach on the team tomorrow and as long as it puts us in a position to win more games and become a better team I'm all for it. What I don't want to see is Payton keeping Brees on the field 4 years from now taking us nowhere when we have the QB of the future on the sidelines. (Or waste a draft pick for the same reason)

|Mitch| · 08-09-2015, 10:58 PM

Why worry about what may happen in the future, especially when you can't change anything!

Saints football starts Thursday and we actually have a secondary that is more efficient than a screen door on a submarine! Offense will be in the tops like always and we have 3-4 very good press corners!

The Dude · 08-09-2015, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Why worry about what may happen in the future, especially when you can't change anything!

Saints football starts Thursday and we actually have a secondary that is more efficient than a screen door on a submarine! Offense will be in the tops like always and we have 3-4 very good press corners!

Not worried, just a thought. I wondered where you were. Have not seen you around the board much lately.

vtiger72 · 08-10-2015, 01:13 AM

The NFL is cyclical. While no fan base wants to think about it, sooner or later a team is going to have a down cycle. The salary cap and draft are designed to make it happen.

I don't think the Saints are up for one as long as Brees is here. And depending how long it takes to find a quality QB and good young talent, the dip may or may not happen when he's gone- but somewhere in the future, the odds are the Saints will have a string of years where they aren't expected to contend.

But to answer the OP, I don't know about you personally, but the diehard fans will remain fans. A lot of the bandwagoners who may have jumped on ship in the years preceeding or just after the Super Bowl may fall away, but the die hard fans will remain.

burningmetal · 08-17-2015, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

The NFL is cyclical. While no fan base wants to think about it, sooner or later a team is going to have a down cycle. The salary cap and draft are designed to make it happen.

I don't think the Saints are up for one as long as Brees is here. And depending how long it takes to find a quality QB and good young talent, the dip may or may not happen when he's gone- but somewhere in the future, the odds are the Saints will have a string of years where they aren't expected to contend.

But to answer the OP, I don't know about you personally, but the diehard fans will remain fans. A lot of the bandwagoners who may have jumped on ship in the years preceeding or just after the Super Bowl may fall away, but the die hard fans will remain.

With the cap rules, the league is really designed to be mediocre. The NFL calls it competitive balance, but frankly it's pretty watered down. A lot of teams go through cycles because they aren't very gifted in the art of foresight, while other organizations just aren't good at anything (Raiders, Jaguars, Browns, etc). But there are a couple of teams that have been good at managing the cap and sustaining success (Patriots, Colts). The Saints and Steelers are very similar over the last decade (decade plus, for Pitt) in how they fluctuate between being contenders and just being average, but they don't completely fall apart.

The Saints did well for a while with finding hidden gems that allowed them to keep the cost down and retain a certain core of players. But once guys started looking for a big pay day we over-payed on some players, and it's bit us in recent years. The offense keeps us competitive but we really haven't been able to keep up with the elite.

It really all boils down to finding the right QB when you make a transition, and building around him. Just look how quickly the Colts went right back to winning after one bad season.

Boutte · 08-17-2015, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

With the cap rules, the league is really designed to be mediocre. The NFL calls it competitive balance, but frankly it's pretty watered down. A lot of teams go through cycles because they aren't very gifted in the art of foresight, while other organizations just aren't good at anything (Raiders, Jaguars, Browns, etc). But there are a couple of teams that have been good at managing the cap and sustaining success (Patriots, Colts). The Saints and Steelers are very similar over the last decade (decade plus, for Pitt) in how they fluctuate between being contenders and just being average, but they don't completely fall apart.

The Saints did well for a while with finding hidden gems that allowed them to keep the cost down and retain a certain core of players. But once guys started looking for a big pay day we over-payed on some players, and it's bit us in recent years. The offense keeps us competitive but we really haven't been able to keep up with the elite.

It really all boils down to finding the right QB when you make a transition, and building around him. Just look how quickly the Colts went right back to winning after one bad season.

And it's been mediocre for a pretty long time. If you can consistently be a little above average doing great. Every now and then a great coach creates a dominant team but the salary structure won't allow a great team to stay together.

RailBoss · 08-10-2015, 01:14 AM

As long as the team remains competitive and hopefully wins the division and is still playing past the regular season. Would be very hard digging through the pantry for paper bags again. Especially since all the grocery bags are plastic these days.

08-09-2015, 08:24 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	So what if the Saints do start to suck After being a contender for so long and winning a Super Bowl are we as fans going to be able to go back to enjoying watching games just to see them play and have a good time? I have been a Saints fan for over 30 years and used to love to watch or go to games just to see them play and have something to cheer for. They usually lost, but there was always a possibility something out of character would happen. We would be happy just to win the game, the playoffs were just an afterthought. Then we got to the playoffs and a higher bar was set. We still had down years but we still would enjoy them win or lose. After winning it all can we go back to that? Or maybe the question should be can you go back to that. Hopefully we can hold them to a higher standard now. Hopefully the organization will find a way to get us right back in there even after a slump. Something has definitely changed though. I don't think I will be happy just having a winning season anymore. Its going to be playoffs or nothing. I will still watch and cheer, but I expect more. foreverfan and mleg1972 like this.
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08-09-2015, 10:06 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck One thing that annoys me is this thinking that we have to win while we still have Drew; with all due respect, F*** Drew... Was a big Jimmy Graham fan, but if that trade wins us games (and with Unger and Stephone Anthony in return), so be it... I'm a Saints fan, if we traded Brees tomorrow and spent another year developing and then came back on a decade run like the Pats have had, I'd be thrilled... Before Payton and now, I've always wanted and pulled for the Saints to win the whole thing every year; irregardless of Drew, I want to win this year and every year... If you're not playing to win, then why play the game?!? And the two most indispensable people to the team right now are Sean Payton and Jeff Ireland... Crusader, hagan714, foreverfan and 5 others like this.
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08-09-2015, 10:14 PM	#3
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Well said.

08-09-2015, 10:44 PM	#4
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Exactly. They could replace every single player and coach on the team tomorrow and as long as it puts us in a position to win more games and become a better team I'm all for it. What I don't want to see is Payton keeping Brees on the field 4 years from now taking us nowhere when we have the QB of the future on the sidelines. (Or waste a draft pick for the same reason) mleg1972 and jeanpierre like this.
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08-09-2015, 10:58 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Why worry about what may happen in the future, especially when you can't change anything! Saints football starts Thursday and we actually have a secondary that is more efficient than a screen door on a submarine! Offense will be in the tops like always and we have 3-4 very good press corners! homerj07 likes this.

08-09-2015, 11:30 PM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Why worry about what may happen in the future, especially when you can't change anything! Saints football starts Thursday and we actually have a secondary that is more efficient than a screen door on a submarine! Offense will be in the tops like always and we have 3-4 very good press corners! Not worried, just a thought. I wondered where you were. Have not seen you around the board much lately.
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08-10-2015, 01:13 AM	#7
vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck The NFL is cyclical. While no fan base wants to think about it, sooner or later a team is going to have a down cycle. The salary cap and draft are designed to make it happen. I don't think the Saints are up for one as long as Brees is here. And depending how long it takes to find a quality QB and good young talent, the dip may or may not happen when he's gone- but somewhere in the future, the odds are the Saints will have a string of years where they aren't expected to contend. But to answer the OP, I don't know about you personally, but the diehard fans will remain fans. A lot of the bandwagoners who may have jumped on ship in the years preceeding or just after the Super Bowl may fall away, but the die hard fans will remain. Rell&Gold likes this.
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08-17-2015, 09:46 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Originally Posted by vtiger72 The NFL is cyclical. While no fan base wants to think about it, sooner or later a team is going to have a down cycle. The salary cap and draft are designed to make it happen. I don't think the Saints are up for one as long as Brees is here. And depending how long it takes to find a quality QB and good young talent, the dip may or may not happen when he's gone- but somewhere in the future, the odds are the Saints will have a string of years where they aren't expected to contend. But to answer the OP, I don't know about you personally, but the diehard fans will remain fans. A lot of the bandwagoners who may have jumped on ship in the years preceeding or just after the Super Bowl may fall away, but the die hard fans will remain. With the cap rules, the league is really designed to be mediocre. The NFL calls it competitive balance, but frankly it's pretty watered down. A lot of teams go through cycles because they aren't very gifted in the art of foresight, while other organizations just aren't good at anything (Raiders, Jaguars, Browns, etc). But there are a couple of teams that have been good at managing the cap and sustaining success (Patriots, Colts). The Saints and Steelers are very similar over the last decade (decade plus, for Pitt) in how they fluctuate between being contenders and just being average, but they don't completely fall apart. The Saints did well for a while with finding hidden gems that allowed them to keep the cost down and retain a certain core of players. But once guys started looking for a big pay day we over-payed on some players, and it's bit us in recent years. The offense keeps us competitive but we really haven't been able to keep up with the elite. It really all boils down to finding the right QB when you make a transition, and building around him. Just look how quickly the Colts went right back to winning after one bad season. Boutte likes this.
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08-17-2015, 10:24 PM	#9
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Originally Posted by burningmetal With the cap rules, the league is really designed to be mediocre. The NFL calls it competitive balance, but frankly it's pretty watered down. A lot of teams go through cycles because they aren't very gifted in the art of foresight, while other organizations just aren't good at anything (Raiders, Jaguars, Browns, etc). But there are a couple of teams that have been good at managing the cap and sustaining success (Patriots, Colts). The Saints and Steelers are very similar over the last decade (decade plus, for Pitt) in how they fluctuate between being contenders and just being average, but they don't completely fall apart. The Saints did well for a while with finding hidden gems that allowed them to keep the cost down and retain a certain core of players. But once guys started looking for a big pay day we over-payed on some players, and it's bit us in recent years. The offense keeps us competitive but we really haven't been able to keep up with the elite. It really all boils down to finding the right QB when you make a transition, and building around him. Just look how quickly the Colts went right back to winning after one bad season. And it's been mediocre for a pretty long time. If you can consistently be a little above average doing great. Every now and then a great coach creates a dominant team but the salary structure won't allow a great team to stay together.

08-10-2015, 01:14 AM	#10
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck As long as the team remains competitive and hopefully wins the division and is still playing past the regular season. Would be very hard digging through the pantry for paper bags again. Especially since all the grocery bags are plastic these days. Boutte and Rugby Saint II like this.

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