So what if the Saints do start to suck

Audiotom · 08-11-2015, 12:25 AM

The Saints 2011 team was destined to win the Super Bowl

5 turnovers
a knocked out Pierre Thomas as he goes to score on the 2 yard line
Comebacks only to have Greg Williams sabotage things with a man to man and all out blitz when prevent wins it

No team has won two superbowls since NY Giants last in 2011
Only Seattle and New England have gotten there twice in the last 5 years

The zsaints have for the most part remained competitive
Despite Roger Goodell's best efforts

lumm0x · 08-11-2015, 11:06 AM

I think everyone who has been a fan for a few decades can admit that where we once had hope but appreciated just seeing the games and cheering, we have evolved into expecting to be in the mix every year and have less tolerance for failure. We have become a bit jaded and entitled as Saints fans over the past decade. Anything short of a playoff run is unacceptable and surprising. And while this should be the case, the previous decades taught us to accept mediocrity and failure.

I said it after the Super Bowl win, this team never needs to win another game for me. Everything after experiencing a SB victory is gravy in my lifetime. But that sentiment was short lived. I expect more from this team and I am frustrated when we don't meet expectations.

RaginCajun83 · 08-11-2015, 11:55 AM

I'll root for them the same as I did since I was a kid

The Dude · 08-11-2015, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

I think everyone who has been a fan for a few decades can admit that where we once had hope but appreciated just seeing the games and cheering, we have evolved into expecting to be in the mix every year and have less tolerance for failure. We have become a bit jaded and entitled as Saints fans over the past decade. Anything short of a playoff run is unacceptable and surprising. And while this should be the case, the previous decades taught us to accept mediocrity and failure.

I said it after the Super Bowl win, this team never needs to win another game for me. Everything after experiencing a SB victory is gravy in my lifetime. But that sentiment was short lived. I expect more from this team and I am frustrated when we don't meet expectations.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. I think now that we hold them to a higher standard hopefully the powers that be will try harder, spend more money, and invest in good players and coaches to keep us in it.

The Dude · 08-11-2015, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Other than 2011, after we won the sb Atlanta did steal our thunder some with the media and all. We didn't get to have the NFC South spotlight to ourselves. Atlanta was a first seed in 10 and 12. And their fans on variety forums like what ESPN was always stalked our forum there. And the bounty season was bad.

Who the hell cares what Atlanta fans think? No way I am letting other people effect how I feel about my team and the Super Bowl. We beet them 9 out of the last 12 meetings.

neugey · 08-11-2015, 05:25 PM

I hope the NFL enjoys the same kind of parity MLB is enjoying now. Tired of the league office intrusion in having it's pet teams and turning offenses loose with all these protection rules. NFL needs to get back to better defense, maybe add some rules to help out the defense for once. You do that and you get more quality teams into the picture. And we don't feel like we need to attempt 100 passes a game to stay competitive. Or maybe I'm going crazy. It's been too long since I've watched football

skymike · 08-11-2015, 05:59 PM

Great question, and a fun topic, DUDE. I'm glad you asked.

I sat out last year with my own off the field problems. There is something very wrong with me, when im not a raging fan, and sweating every down of Saints Football.

Well I'm back. Sept. 20. Tampa. I have a better seat than Tom Benson. If I had a million dollars, I would still sit in section 500 -- the best view for football in the Dome, with a little more elbow room, but you still get the craziness of Da Terrace. I BELONG in the Terrace. I am one with the Terrace. It is part of who I am. I love the people of the Terrace.

I've already scoped out the season, decided which games to go, which to watch w/ the Hou-Dats, here in Houston, and of course the big Blue Lot Tailgate, we're doing at the Texans. I've already budgeted a bunch of money, invested my calendar, and I, too, have thought, "What if we suck?"

The answer came easy. Just pretend it was any of the old years, when I was a Saints fan, and go crazy like I always have. When I take my kids to the Panthers game, whether we're 0-12 or 12-0, I'll be yelling for our Boys to take Cam Newton's head. And every game between, i'm raising 8 kinds of hell.

I'm hanging out with WhoDAt Nation this season, tailgating, drinkin like Lincoln, partying the Quarter, and having fun across Lousiana & Mississsipi, this year. Game One/ Cardinals, I'm coming back from Jackson on bizness, and I'll catch the Saints at some hole in the wall in MS. I WILL do at least one game in an Atchafalaya swamp bar.

Im gonna pick a GF, (currently running a platoon system) for the Giants game, and do a little New Orleans romance trip, maybe. I have no plan yet, but most likely will just bring the one w/ the one w the biggest boobs.... or whoever is most likely to take them out.

So F*** whatever our record is. I plan on this being a Rock and Roll Party from this thursday night on, even if Im the only one rocking. But this is New Orleans, and I wont be. If you're a WhoDat, you'll be in this number too.

Mardigras9 · 08-12-2015, 10:01 AM

It's all potential. When we were less than appealing prior to the Brees era, our potential was like someone said, may win - may not, but something fun or out of the norm could happen. When we started winning with Brees and our potential changed to maybe consistent post-season success, then our expectations changed as fans. The hard thing to swallow now is when we feel like we have the players to have success and fall short. Doesn't make us any less of fans, just let down. You are either a Saints fan or not, win or lose.

Boutte · 08-15-2015, 07:41 PM

I had a hard time getting excited last year. I don't know why I (like we all did) thought we were going to have a big year. Training camp didn't grab me like it usually does and when the pre-season got going it all felt very stale. Once the season started it didn't take long to figure out their was something seriously wrong.

The team seemed be just as apathetic as I was. I kept waiting for Payton to crack the whip and get these guys straightened out. Trouble is Payton seems to have lost his kick ass bone. He needs to lose that stoic aspect on the sidelines.

But I never quit watching.

ChrisXVI · 08-15-2015, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

I had a hard time getting excited last year. I don't know why I (like we all did) thought we were going to have a big year. Training camp didn't grab me like it usually does and when the pre-season got going it all felt very stale. Once the season started it didn't take long to figure out their was something seriously wrong.

The team seemed be just as apathetic as I was. I kept waiting for Payton to crack the whip and get these guys straightened out. Trouble is Payton seems to have lost his kick ass bone. He needs to lose that stoic aspect on the sidelines.

But I never quit watching.

You hit the nail on the head. I think Payton's lost the team. I may be in the minority here, but I think if we don't make the playoffs again this season then it's time to move on from Payton and Loomis. Time to stop living off 2009 and 2011.

08-11-2015, 12:25 AM	#21
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck The Saints 2011 team was destined to win the Super Bowl 5 turnovers a knocked out Pierre Thomas as he goes to score on the 2 yard line Comebacks only to have Greg Williams sabotage things with a man to man and all out blitz when prevent wins it No team has won two superbowls since NY Giants last in 2011 Only Seattle and New England have gotten there twice in the last 5 years The zsaints have for the most part remained competitive Despite Roger Goodell's best efforts

08-11-2015, 11:06 AM	#22
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck I think everyone who has been a fan for a few decades can admit that where we once had hope but appreciated just seeing the games and cheering, we have evolved into expecting to be in the mix every year and have less tolerance for failure. We have become a bit jaded and entitled as Saints fans over the past decade. Anything short of a playoff run is unacceptable and surprising. And while this should be the case, the previous decades taught us to accept mediocrity and failure. I said it after the Super Bowl win, this team never needs to win another game for me. Everything after experiencing a SB victory is gravy in my lifetime. But that sentiment was short lived. I expect more from this team and I am frustrated when we don't meet expectations. Boutte, The Dude and halfmoon61 like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Originally Posted by lumm0x I think everyone who has been a fan for a few decades can admit that where we once had hope but appreciated just seeing the games and cheering, we have evolved into expecting to be in the mix every year and have less tolerance for failure. We have become a bit jaded and entitled as Saints fans over the past decade. Anything short of a playoff run is unacceptable and surprising. And while this should be the case, the previous decades taught us to accept mediocrity and failure. I said it after the Super Bowl win, this team never needs to win another game for me. Everything after experiencing a SB victory is gravy in my lifetime. But that sentiment was short lived. I expect more from this team and I am frustrated when we don't meet expectations. Exactly the point I was trying to make. I think now that we hold them to a higher standard hopefully the powers that be will try harder, spend more money, and invest in good players and coaches to keep us in it.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Other than 2011, after we won the sb Atlanta did steal our thunder some with the media and all. We didn't get to have the NFC South spotlight to ourselves. Atlanta was a first seed in 10 and 12. And their fans on variety forums like what ESPN was always stalked our forum there. And the bounty season was bad. Who the hell cares what Atlanta fans think? No way I am letting other people effect how I feel about my team and the Super Bowl. We beet them 9 out of the last 12 meetings. Supertek likes this.
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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck I hope the NFL enjoys the same kind of parity MLB is enjoying now. Tired of the league office intrusion in having it's pet teams and turning offenses loose with all these protection rules. NFL needs to get back to better defense, maybe add some rules to help out the defense for once. You do that and you get more quality teams into the picture. And we don't feel like we need to attempt 100 passes a game to stay competitive. Or maybe I'm going crazy. It's been too long since I've watched football

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skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Great question, and a fun topic, DUDE. I'm glad you asked. I sat out last year with my own off the field problems. There is something very wrong with me, when im not a raging fan, and sweating every down of Saints Football. Well I'm back. Sept. 20. Tampa. I have a better seat than Tom Benson. If I had a million dollars, I would still sit in section 500 -- the best view for football in the Dome, with a little more elbow room, but you still get the craziness of Da Terrace. I BELONG in the Terrace. I am one with the Terrace. It is part of who I am. I love the people of the Terrace. I've already scoped out the season, decided which games to go, which to watch w/ the Hou-Dats, here in Houston, and of course the big Blue Lot Tailgate, we're doing at the Texans. I've already budgeted a bunch of money, invested my calendar, and I, too, have thought, "What if we suck?" The answer came easy. Just pretend it was any of the old years, when I was a Saints fan, and go crazy like I always have. When I take my kids to the Panthers game, whether we're 0-12 or 12-0, I'll be yelling for our Boys to take Cam Newton's head. And every game between, i'm raising 8 kinds of hell. I'm hanging out with WhoDAt Nation this season, tailgating, drinkin like Lincoln, partying the Quarter, and having fun across Lousiana & Mississsipi, this year. Game One/ Cardinals, I'm coming back from Jackson on bizness, and I'll catch the Saints at some hole in the wall in MS. I WILL do at least one game in an Atchafalaya swamp bar. Im gonna pick a GF, (currently running a platoon system) for the Giants game, and do a little New Orleans romance trip, maybe. I have no plan yet, but most likely will just bring the one w/ the one w the biggest boobs.... or whoever is most likely to take them out. So F* whatever our record is. I plan on this being a Rock and Roll Party** from this thursday night on, even if Im the only one rocking. But this is New Orleans, and I wont be. If you're a WhoDat, you'll be in this number too. jeanpierre likes this.
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08-12-2015, 10:01 AM	#28
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck It's all potential. When we were less than appealing prior to the Brees era, our potential was like someone said, may win - may not, but something fun or out of the norm could happen. When we started winning with Brees and our potential changed to maybe consistent post-season success, then our expectations changed as fans. The hard thing to swallow now is when we feel like we have the players to have success and fall short. Doesn't make us any less of fans, just let down. You are either a Saints fan or not, win or lose.
	"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia

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Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck I had a hard time getting excited last year. I don't know why I (like we all did) thought we were going to have a big year. Training camp didn't grab me like it usually does and when the pre-season got going it all felt very stale. Once the season started it didn't take long to figure out their was something seriously wrong. The team seemed be just as apathetic as I was. I kept waiting for Payton to crack the whip and get these guys straightened out. Trouble is Payton seems to have lost his kick ass bone. He needs to lose that stoic aspect on the sidelines. But I never quit watching. ChrisXVI likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: So what if the Saints do start to suck Originally Posted by Boutte I had a hard time getting excited last year. I don't know why I (like we all did) thought we were going to have a big year. Training camp didn't grab me like it usually does and when the pre-season got going it all felt very stale. Once the season started it didn't take long to figure out their was something seriously wrong. The team seemed be just as apathetic as I was. I kept waiting for Payton to crack the whip and get these guys straightened out. Trouble is Payton seems to have lost his kick ass bone. He needs to lose that stoic aspect on the sidelines. But I never quit watching. You hit the nail on the head. I think Payton's lost the team. I may be in the minority here, but I think if we don't make the playoffs again this season then it's time to move on from Payton and Loomis. Time to stop living off 2009 and 2011.

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