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http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...8605203240.xml

Saints promote Sheppard to OC. Turk Schonert the new QB coach. Anyone have any thoughts about this?

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Yes!! It sucks!! BIG TIME!!
This means another 8-8 season with Leon at the QB position. We\'re hosed.

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the proof is in the pudding, we\'ll see. he has a mixed bag of a resume. i\'m just glad it was a change even if it is not fruitful- it was time. i for one was ready for a different poison at least. i know we all watch the saints regularly but i dont ever remember seeing a nfl team which i could so easily read the coming play of so much. not all, but there were a half dozen or so which the alignment and motion always led to the same play- over n over again. i kept thinking: if me, just a fan, not studying film or anything, if i see this, how much more should trained professionals!

sadly, i think there is a strong majority who felt the need for dc change was even greater. hopefully mistuh robisson can be an influence to make changes there.

and the turk! (ya gotta love great player names) if the axiom that pine riders make good coaches then he should be great. he was a great clipboard holder in his playing days. his resume briefly is-
-great career at stanford, fassel qb coach and oc
-9 yr backup nfl career, great kick holder
-92 to 95 bucs qb coach
-99 to 97 cincy radio talk
-98 to 00 bills qb coach
-01 panthers qb coach
-02 coached his son\'s pop warner team
-03 giants qb coach with fassel
i dunno last year

with a big turnaround espn headline can read: \'Sheppard Leads Saints to Greener Pastures\'


[Edited on 5/2/2005 by LKelley67]

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DON\'T HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!!

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...well, that means they keep the playbook.... great... :casstet:

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So, Sheppard sucks.......... That\'s what y\'all are telling me?

Okay......... But look at it this way............

Brooks is a terrible QB that simply is too stuid to play the QB position.

If ya ask me.......Sheppard is a miracle worker.

How else do you explain Brooks setting just about every Saints passing record? Brooks ranks up there with the best of QBs in TD to interception ratio.

It\'s not Sheppard\'s fault that Brooks fumbles. It\'s not Sheppards fault that Brooks smiles. It not\'s Sheppard\'s fault that Brooks has no leadership.

You guys have to admit that Sheppard has an idot to work with in Aaron Brooks and Brooks has put up some impressive stats.

13th in the NFL? That\'s just awful.

I think I\'ll wait and actually see a game before I go passing judgement.

Hey, but that\'s just me. I\'m not nearly as smart as some... ;)



[Edited on 5/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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Guess it\'s somewhat official now. Here\'s an article posted on NFL.com:

Saints promote Sheppard to O-coordinator
NFL.com wire reports

NEW ORLEANS (Feb. 5, 2005) -- The New Orleans Saints promoted Mike Sheppard from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator.

\"Mike is experienced, organized and he has worked with some of the best offensive coaches in the game,\" Saints coach Jim Haslett said.

Sheppard joined Haslett\'s staff in 2002. He has two prior stints as an offensive coordinator -- he ran the Buffalo Bills\' offense in 2001 and worked with the San Diego Chargers during 1997-98. He has also coached with Seattle, Baltimore and Cleveland.

The Saints added former NFL quarterback Turk Schonert to replace Sheppard as quarterbacks coach. Schonert\'s last NFL job was with the New York Giants in 2003. He has also worked with Carolina, Buffalo and Tampa Bay.

\"Turk has played the position and spent years refining the skills of quarterbacks within West Coast offenses similar to what we have had the last five years,\" Haslett said.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/8166164

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I wonder what happened to my post?

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Came across this on the web. Not much, but it ain\'t much news out there.

Here ya go...

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He can go back to the AFC if he likes....what about at Sd and the other years at Buf, his offenses ranked near or at the bottom...besides the year they were 13th i think the highest any of his other O\'s rkd. was 25th! At least Venturi has a coordinator that has the potential to be as bad as he is :casstet:

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Yea i don\'t guess a 32nd rkd D had ANYTHING to do with 8-8 :casstet:

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Seems odd to me that Haslett couldn\'t find anyone else in the league interested in being our O-coordinator. Sheppard is pretty much the last option he had.

I wonder what other coaches in the league think about the current front office/coaching staff?

Now everything is riding on free agency. I\'m not prepared to write off next season yet, but I\'m one step closer in that direction.

BTW, what are Turk (career backup) Schonert\'s chances of actually getting the current QB to listen to him?

[Edited on 6/2/2005 by BrooksMustGo]

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32nd depends on the stats. The team gave up the most yards, but not the most points. They finished 28th in points given up.

FV I\'m glad to see someone that actually gets it.

I\'m going to keep putting out this stat until someone comments on it. In the last 4 years the Saints, with Brooks as QB are 20-8 when the opposition is held under 21 points including 4-0 in the season ending winning streak. A 715 winning percentage. In the first 12 games of the 2004 season, the team gave up 20 or more points in each of those 12 games.

The one thing I think we can all agree on is that we would like the Saints to be a consistent winner that goes deep into the playoffs. Teams of that caliber have one consistent theme: good defense. 3 of the teams in the final 4 finished 1-3 in scoring defense, and the 4th (Atlanta) held the opposition under 20 points in half of their games.

Brooks is tangential to the fundamental problems that the team has in consistently winning games.

The one area I really want to see improvement in is total offensive turnovers. Last year Brooks contributed 19 turnovers, with 11 lost fumbles. This year the lost fumbles were cut down to 2, but he doubled his INTS, so the total turnovers were still 18. In an ideal season, you\'d like to see that number between 10 and 15. Peyton Manning\'s 10 INTs and no lost fumbles was exceptional this year for example.

Personally I find the call for Brooks head unresonable. While he can be a knuclehead that needs to keep his yap shut, between the lines his play is more than enough to helm a championship caliber team. He isn\'t great as he claims. But he is really good. And really duable. And really consistent. And while most of the BMGAAC crowd dismisses these for lack of leadership, lack of smarts, and bonehead plays, the fact of the matter is that a QB with the kind of numbers that Brooks has shown over the last 4 years can lead a team deep into the playoffs.

But you need a decent defense, especially scoring defense. Get the scoring average under 21 PPG and you\'ll have a team with a 700+ winning percentage, vying for the division, and a playoff bye.

SFIAH

SFIAH

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:yourock: For ex. the Ravens won a Sb with Trent\"stinkin\" Dilfer at QB, and the Bucs with Brad Johnson. :shrug:

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..well, I\'ll comment on it...

.. first off, I\'m NOT a stats guy... stats are for baseball.. anyone who\'s ever taken any sort of math at a high level knows that averages (which is what most stats are ) are the least effective way to quantify anything, especially when different factors affect the outcome of each instance in a different way...
for example, if you look at total offense and total defense stats, Denver has the highest combination of both ranks (5th total offense and 4th total defense), so on average, they are better than anyone else...
.. if we look at a combination of total points scored by offense vs total points allowed by defense, using stats, we cannot explain why the Chiefs ended 7-9 since their offense averaged 30 points scored a game while the defense only yielded 27 points a game..,

... I am not going to say that the Saints defense is good, because it is not. You need only a pair of eyes to see they can\'t stop the run, and that is just no good in football no matter how you slice it.... having a good defense is obviously a good thing: if the opposing team can\'t score, you have a better chance to win the game, given that your offense can score and doesn\'t give up a turnover or two that go the other way for defensive TD\'s...

... but let\'s take a look at the dynamics here:
... everyone has heard the \" if the defense didn\'t spot the opposition 21 points...\" routine... you know, if the defense didn\'t spot the other team 21 points, we wouldn\'t have to abandon the run, and then the offense wouldn\'t become one dimensional, then they wouldn\'t commit as many mistakes, etc. etc. etc....

..and that is somewhat of a valid argument... I say somewhat, because, yes, being down by 21 points does tend to make a team one dimensional... however, I don\'t know of any football play that yields 21 points... to score 21 points, a team needs at least 3 possessions, which means that the other team\'s offense had the ball at least that many possessions... of course, there could\'ve been a series of unfortunate special teams events: for example, the other team could\'ve kicked and recovered 3 on-side kicks, and gone down to score each time... but we know that\'s not the case...

... in the Saints case, it means that the offense has gotten the ball at least 3 times and did nothing with it. You have seen it, it\'s not a stat: 3 and out, punt, the other team scores.. 3 and out, punt, the other team scores... and here\'s where the other team gets control of the game...

.. so you really have a combination of 2 things: the inability of the defense to stop anyone early, and the inability of the offense to score early...
...offense gets ball, 3 and out, punt, other team gets ball in good field position, defense can\'t stop the run, other team scores... repeat cycle...
..so, while the offense may look good while trying to catch up (i.e, get good stats because they rack up a lot of yards, score a lot points late in the game when it doesn\'t matter, etc...) , they are as much to blame for the entire team\'s woes...


... and that\'s no stat...





[Edited on 6/2/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

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Excellent, excellent breakdown tobias. Superb. Trying to explain that is like spitting in the wind, but you did an exceptional job. I have repeatedly wondered why a D that has an offense with a QB who leads the league in red zone turnovers, and can\'t score in the first quarter, and barely the first half, and add to that giving free points to the opposing team\'s D is held accountable for everything. It\'s only a matter of watching the games to see, yeah, the defense was bad, but the offense was worse EVERY first quarter, and giving away points and keeping your own offense from scoring in the red zone CERTAINLY DOES NOT help that at all.

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hey i just hope our offense doesnt get any worse. but not scoring in the first quater nearly every game this year ,well i cant imagine that happens again

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wouldnt surprise me gatorman. i mean we know thathe isnt making those decisions. i just wonder what changes he was talking about when he was talking about staying there. i also wonder how much adding that other guy as part of the d but not as coordinator had to due with him wanting a replacement. i cant say im right i just dont know. but theres a reason that guy is in some newly created position