4th and 20 D was Sean's call
 

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Like I said, SP should be held accountable for the shoddy defenses we have fielded year after year!

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Great call that made the Ravens Fans extremely happy. Was looking for a paper bag so I could sneak out of the stadium. What was aggravating is that Grayson put together an outstanding drive to put us ahead.

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"Fourth down and 20, that was my call, we blitzed 'em," Payton said. "Obviously they were able to make a play and continue the drive."

The Saints sent eight pass-rushers on the play -- which wasn’t enough against the Ravens' seven blockers. Quarterback Bryn Renner had plenty of time to dump off a short pass to wide-open tight end Maxx Williams, whom no one covered out of the backfield. Saints outside linebacker Kasim Edebali let Williams go as he flew toward the QB.


The 8 man blitz was not a bad call IMO. All QBs for the Ravens had time to bake a cake back there all game long. The prevent defense got eaten up all game long. So Might as well. 8 rushers vs 7 blockers and still no free lane to the QB.

Sorry the TE killed you all game long yet no one picks him up? Kasmin should not allowed a free release. Issue number one. The issue 2 is, who in the secondary blew their assignment?

Gotta get these guys some reps. need to cut the dead weight soon or

Lets here it gang. This unit just needs time to gel

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I have zero opinion about this game. I didn't watch it, I didn't follow it online, and I barely even thought about it. The pre-season is boring enough, but I learned a long time ago that the first one and the last one are especially meaningless.

I wouldn't have known about this 4th and 20 play if it weren't for this thread, but I can't say I really care about it. This is what we should expect. It's either going to be vanilla or over the top aggressive in the most inappropriate times. It's just practice. Now if guys are missing tackles and dropping passes, that's something to complain about, but hardly anyone of importance was playing.

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Wasn't there somebody in camp or in the B&G scrimmages, who kept saying that the tight ends were always ridiculously open? I seem to remember an article or a blog, I remember reading somebody mentioning that it was hard to tell from practice if the Saints tight ends were really good or if the defense was really bad, but it kept happening in practice or in camp, and I seem to remember someone mentioning it, not sure where I read it....I have a feeling that tight ends are going to kill us again this year, 3rd down and 4th down, just like last year....oh man.

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Exactly! I don't understand why everyone is in panic mode. Last season the Saints were great in the 1st preseason game and we know how last season turned out. Folks need to chill out.

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Agreed. There was plenty of bad to complain about, but there was a lot of good as well.

Overall I was slightly disappointed in the 1st quarter (but we didn't have Brees), and the last 2 minutes (with numerous guys who won't even be on the team in 3 weeks).

Everything else was a typical pre-season performance.

I give us a C-minus. I'm not gonna panic yet.

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Last season in pre-season was why I drank the kool-aid. Now it's the same old crap out of our D. I'm not liking this 4-3 under we're playing more and more. It's more of a 4-3 blunder.

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I keep hearing how meaningless preseason is, but its weird how this looked exactly like the team we watched lose last year in the regular season.

Both lines getting punked.
Defense giving up big stupid plays, on 3rd & 4th & long.
Stupid penalties. Anyone who cant figure out where to line up, or how to
figure out where the line of scrimmage is, shouldnt play football.
No pass rush.
Poor blitz pickup.
Some flashes of offense.

Looks like the backups are chips off the old starters blocks.

It sure looks like real problems to me.
For now, we suck.

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If they would have dropped back in prevent, the result would have probably been the same. The Ravens OLine did a good job. The QB made the throw. And the receiver made a heck of an effort to get past the sticks. It is what it is. The lack of effort and/or execution by the starters is more concerning than a late play with the scrubs vs. scrubs in a meaningless game.

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Ok that ones on you Sean. Knock it off.

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Stick with calling offensive plays and leave the defense to RR.......for now anyway.

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Rob Ryan would be an awful horror film director. I know exactly where the big screams are going to be; 4th and long every time!!! Tragicomedy though he gets the Oscar nod.

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I couldn't be bothered to pay attention either. There's enough frustrating stuff to watch than the paroxysm that is the 1st Saints' preseason game. This is either going to be representative of the team, or it won't. We won't really know until the 3rd preseason game at best.

That being said, $150 million in salaries would have projected a slightly more coherent 1st game than has been reported. Is the altitude in WVa causing brain damage?

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Exactly...

While I'm nowhere near panic mode, or more accurately - soured; that game threaded out like many of the disappointed losses we had last season, so there is some concern...

There's time to get it fixed...

But the big concerns I have is Payton making that call and neither Ryan nor Allen being strong enough to say "no" and the other is with a semi-jailhouse blitz we weren't even able to get near the quarterback...

WTF is the pressure going to coming from because Cam Jordan is going to bring it consistently...

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Good Job Sean,
You have a defensive asst head coach (Vitt) and two defensive coordinators, buy YOU"RE calling the plays

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Yes sir... I'm simply not understanding our defensive game plan. I though we were supposed to be going to a 3-4, yet we bring 3 tech DTs. On other occasions we are playing 4-3 but play LB's at DE. I often wonder if the Big Lebowski knows what he wants on D. We have a lot of speed and size this year, yet we play the opposite :help:.

I'm not in panic mode yet however there is reason to be concerned... specifically on defense.

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We have a lot of speed and size at LB, but we lack the D-line to support them. I don't think Jenkins or Williams is the answer, they both got schooled by the 1s. The RB and O-line was on top of our LBs as soon as the ball was snapped, our DTs might as well of stayed home.

My biggest concern with this team is from the DTs, or lack thereof. #95 and #71 played well at the spots in scrub time but who knows what they'll do against the 1s.

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Shows Sean doesn't completely trust his assistants. Maybe he just wanted to see how the team would with the pressure on to get a feel of how well we can blitz. Maybe he figured if it didn't work that at least it would put the defense against the wall, under pressure, when the games on the line

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I expect our D line to improve with Akiem Hicks in the game, he has had a great training camp from reports.

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Let's face it... Some things are just messed up. :confused:

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Kool-Aid!!

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Without a stud up front it may be a long season. I also think we have enough speed, enough for a 3-4. I don't like our D coaches(Vitt and Johnson) not being able to get this down, there are better out there than those 2 to teach and get the most out of their players.

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We don't have a reason to play hard now. Before, it was Katrina, then it was trying to prove they're not a one year fluke. We need that reason again to win, it isn't going to be to show up the commissioner.

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I think he's just covering for Rob.

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Who cares; it's preseason... What better time to try it and see how it works out?

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I'd have supported a trade up in the 1st (for once) for NT Shelton just to finally change all this. Rumors are the Saints brain trust finally decided to fix our soft underbelly but Cleaveland beat us to the pick.

Missing out on that big man, really wanted Xavier Williams (DT, N. Iowa) or SOMEONE BIG in the 7th. In 2014, we take SJB (58th) over NT Dix (83rd)? In 2013, NT Kwame Geathers who went UDFA was there in the 7th and made a team. What? Didn't like the name Geathers this decade? Why don't we take a flier on some big ones late?

Well, recently we picked up veteran DT K. Williams, at least. Pray we're not yet done.

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The thing is, you could be right are it could be nothing. I get that people aren't impressed. I'm never impressed by these games, no matter what happens. There just isn't any way of knowing how guys will be lined up or how much harder they will play when it actually matters.

I remember in Sean's first year here we went 1-3 in pre-season. It wasn't just the record that looked bad. I remember we got blown out by Dallas in one of those games, 30-7. They looked completely inept and were coming off that 3-13 season. We all had high hopes for Brees, but it just looked like the team was too bad.

Well, we all remember how that season ended up, and we beat that same Dallas team 42-14, or whatever it was. Now we could have an identical performance in this pre-season and end up being bad. The point is that it tells us almost nothing. That's just how I see it. I'm not justifying any of the bad, but I've seen too many weird things in these games to really form an actual opinion over it.

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Why can't Payton just leave well enough alone when it comes to defense? One minute he's announcing we're switching to a 3-4 and hires an appropriate coordinator to run it. After one up and one down season he brings in Dennis Allen and we switch back to a 4-3 essentially making Rob Ryan a lame duck defensive coordinator.

Wanna know why we might suck on defense again this year? How about having a coordinator on his way out, a defensive assistant who is already affecting the scheme, and a head coach who is offensive-minded overriding both of them to call defensive plays. It's a mess folks.

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thats such a fantastic point, BM, that I just happened to invoke the horrible Shreveport Cowboys preseason game in another thread, and I noted that a few weeks later, a certain guy blocked a punt vs. Atlanta, and the rest is history.

Suffice to say, we look like complete garbage now, but that doesnt mean I wont be there for the opener, and I'll be there all season, raising hell, and I
BELIEVE.

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Poor blitz pickup. a pet peeve of mine. were is PT?

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I know you'll be there, man. I'm never going to be that guy who says you aren't a fan because you see something a little different than me. As far as the season goes, it'll be what it'll be. As you can tell, I just really care nothing for the pre-season.