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jeanpierre 08-14-2015 11:23 AM

Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Thought these guys had great games:

QB Garret Grayson looks like the real deal, and he's got some swift moves and decisiveness in the pocket...

Saints better find a way to make DT Kaleb Eulls a roster spot...

LB Henry Coley needs more playing time...

Someone forgot to tell RB Khiry Robinson that it's only preseason - man possessed!

WR Willie Snead, okay, now you have my attention; incredible focus to make the catch despite pass holding/interference...

Also, WR Kyle Prater had a nice reception and move after the catch; Colston, Coleman better get their arse on the field...

QB Ryan Griffin settled down after some nerves on the first couple of downs and took command, even if it was against the other kids...

K Dustin Hopkins really has a leg; he's looking good as our kicker...

DT Tyeler Davison showed alot of heart, grit that I liked...

LB Hau'oli Kikaha is slow?!? That was some amazing speed to save a touchdown, even if the Ravens did bust through on DL breakdown on the fourth and goal...

An interception? WTF is that?!? Damian Swann made a nice play on the ball...

and now we seque to what didn't look so good...

For that great play that Swann made, oh those damn penalties he had; liked the agressiveness, know he's a rookie, but da*n...

Maybe it's me, but our team still looks soft, and I think being at the Greenbrier has something to do with being soft...Get those guys back in Thibodaux, in the heat, and sear them up...

Where was Nick Toon? I believe he's gone...

Cam Jordan looked slow, awkward, and more like a 3-4 defensive end!

Cade McCown must be sensing the end is near; Cooks bailed him out against the Ravens two's/three's...

Jahri Evans looked done and Tim Lelito looks like he's thinking too much...

dizzle88 08-14-2015 12:10 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Marcus Murphy looked great!

Multiple kick returns he nearly took the distance and one in particular he was one ankle tackle away from being gone!

Pretty sure he average around 30-35 yards per return.

Danno 08-14-2015 12:40 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Half the players that started last night weren't even on the team last year.
The Ravens are a veteran team.
It wasn't as bad as many think. It looked exactly like a veteran team going against a lot of new players.

Most of the Ravens yards early were by check downs and scrambles. I thought our secondary played OK for the most part until Q4.

SJB was probably the most pleasant surprise to me.

The Dude 08-14-2015 12:49 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Although our defense looked bad, like Danno said many of our players who started were either rookies or were brought in this year. It's hard to put that many first time players together against another teams starters and look good.
What discourages me the most is how we lost the game in the exact same way we lost all those games last year. Giving up a 4th and 20 is inexcusable.
Yes it's only preseason but the "only " preseason theory only applies if you look good in preseason. Having a good preseason does not always mean a great season. On the other hand if you have a poor preseason it is very likely to carry on to the regular season.

I don't like the all out blitz call on 4th and 20.

Danno 08-14-2015 12:53 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 662800)
Although our defense looked bad, like Danno said many of our players who started were either rookies or were brought in this year. It's hard to put that many first time players together against another teams starters and look good.
What discourages me the most is how we lost the game in the exact same way we lost all those games last year. Giving up a 4th and 20 is inexcusable.
Yes it's only preseason but the "only " preseason theory only applies if you look good in preseason. Having a good preseason does not always mean a great season. On the other hand if you have a poor preseason it is very likely to carry on to the regular season.

I don't like the all out blitz call on 4th and 20.

That is probably the biggest concern to me as well, and nothing else about last night comes as close.

Yes, it was against our last stringers, but it looked eerily similar to 2014.

Everything else was typical pre season.

foreverfan 08-14-2015 01:50 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 

voodooido 08-14-2015 01:55 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 662781)
Cade McCown must be sensing the end is near; Cooks bailed him out against the Ravens two's/three's...

Jahri Evans looked done and Tim Lelito looks like he's thinking too much...

Pretty sure you mean Luke McCown but I agree, time for him to go

spkb25 08-14-2015 03:21 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
I don't know what the coaches see in cam Jordan...he has never truly impressed me minus 2013

spkb25 08-14-2015 03:23 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 662800)
Although our defense looked bad, like Danno said many of our players who started were either rookies or were brought in this year. It's hard to put that many first time players together against another teams starters and look good.
What discourages me the most is how we lost the game in the exact same way we lost all those games last year. Giving up a 4th and 20 is inexcusable.
Yes it's only preseason but the "only " preseason theory only applies if you look good in preseason. Having a good preseason does not always mean a great season. On the other hand if you have a poor preseason it is very likely to carry on to the regular season.

I don't like the all out blitz call on 4th and 20.

Love a blitz on 4 and really long...but damn u have to get there

Boutte 08-14-2015 06:27 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
The first two scoring drives against our 1s was an eye opener. Our starting defense was absolutely rancid. Somebody on chat last night said they should fire Ryan right now. I agree. The defense has been terrible since the last quarter of 2013. Don't forget that they blew every opportunity the O gave us to win home field advantage and very possibly a SB berth.

They've failed miserably.

|Mitch| 08-14-2015 06:30 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Starting defense gets a pass from me. C'mon first game of the season with a "rookie" play-caller in Anthony, losing your #2 corner on the first drive... They'll get it together...

Danno 08-14-2015 06:41 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 662843)
Starting defense gets a pass from me. C'mon first game of the season with a "rookie" play-caller in Anthony, losing your #2 corner on the first drive... They'll get it together...

Not to mention that 1/2 of our starters on both sides of the ball weren't even on the team last year.

MarchingOn 08-14-2015 07:01 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Better find roster spots for Eulls, Richardson, an unknown/undrafted WR (or 2) named Snead/Prater/R.J.Harris, and play LB Coley enough to see if he should get a spot, too. Clearly keep LB Spencer another year.

Cut WR Toon, OT Bryce Harris, DT Mabry, LBs Humber and Hawthorne.

Danno 08-14-2015 07:03 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 662850)
Better find roster spots for Eulls, Richardson, an unknown/undrafted WR (or 2) named Snead/Prater/R.J.Harris, and play LB Coley enough to see if he should get a spot, too. Clearly keep LB Spencer another year.

Cut WR Toon, OT Bryce Harris, DT Mabry, LBs Humber and Hawthorne.

Disagree 87.1576%

spkb25 08-14-2015 07:04 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 662851)
Disagree 87.1576%

Mabry should be cut yesterday...dude was like just pushed around...and he is not small

Danno, is that your 12.5% agree as well?

Danno 08-14-2015 07:21 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 662853)
Mabry should be cut yesterday...dude was like just pushed around...and he is not small

Danno, is that your 12.5% agree as well?

I'm 32% positive that 80% of your opinion is 70% correct, but thats only because of the observations of the 1st pre-sesaon game which is a 37% indicator of future results when it actually matters, but thats without considering the 35% downgrade factor due to non-gameplanning for our specific opponent.

Upon doing the math, this game is about a 32% indicator of how we'll play without Drew Brees in 2015.

With the Drew Factor, this game drops to a 13% indicator of future performance which, considering our strength of schedule combined with the changes made by all 16 of our opponents, and factoring in injuries to all 16 of our opponents I can truly verify that we'll absolutely finish somewhere between 2 and 15 wins.

halloween 65 08-14-2015 07:27 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 662856)
I'm 32% positive that 80% of your opinion is 70% correct, but thats only because of the observations of the 1st pre-sesaon game which is a 37% indicator of future results when it actually matters, but thats without considering the 35% downgrade factor due to non-gameplanning for our specific opponent.

Upon doing the math, this game is about a 32% indicator of how we'll play without Drew Brees in 2015.

With the Drew Factor, this game drops to a 13% indicator of future performance which, considering our strength of schedule combined with the changes made by all 16 of our opponents, and factoring in injuries to all 16 of our opponents I can truly verify that we'll absolutely finish somewhere between 2 and 15 wins.

I'll agree with the 2-15 wins. I'm not doing all the math.

Danno 08-14-2015 07:29 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 662857)
I'll agree with the 2-15 wins. I'm not doing all the math.

It was exhausting. But I'm pretty good with math.

spkb25 08-14-2015 07:34 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 662856)
I'm 32% positive that 80% of your opinion is 70% correct, but thats only because of the observations of the 1st pre-sesaon game which is a 37% indicator of future results when it actually matters, but thats without considering the 35% downgrade factor due to non-gameplanning for our specific opponent.

Upon doing the math, this game is about a 32% indicator of how we'll play without Drew Brees in 2015.

With the Drew Factor, this game drops to a 13% indicator of future performance which, considering our strength of schedule combined with the changes made by all 16 of our opponents, and factoring in injuries to all 16 of our opponents I can truly verify that we'll absolutely finish somewhere between 2 and 15 wins.

LMMFAO

voodooido 08-14-2015 08:11 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
I will say this, it looked like Garret Grayson will be more than ready in 2 years.

jlouhill 08-14-2015 08:53 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 662856)
I'm 32% positive that 80% of your opinion is 70% correct, but thats only because of the observations of the 1st pre-sesaon game which is a 37% indicator of future results when it actually matters, but thats without considering the 35% downgrade factor due to non-gameplanning for our specific opponent.

Upon doing the math, this game is about a 32% indicator of how we'll play without Drew Brees in 2015.

With the Drew Factor, this game drops to a 13% indicator of future performance which, considering our strength of schedule combined with the changes made by all 16 of our opponents, and factoring in injuries to all 16 of our opponents I can truly verify that we'll absolutely finish somewhere between 2 and 15 wins.

:confused:

UK_WhoDat 08-14-2015 09:09 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 662856)
I'm 32% positive that 80% of your opinion is 70% correct, but thats only because of the observations of the 1st pre-sesaon game which is a 37% indicator of future results when it actually matters, but thats without considering the 35% downgrade factor due to non-gameplanning for our specific opponent.

Upon doing the math, this game is about a 32% indicator of how we'll play without Drew Brees in 2015.

With the Drew Factor, this game drops to a 13% indicator of future performance which, considering our strength of schedule combined with the changes made by all 16 of our opponents, and factoring in injuries to all 16 of our opponents I can truly verify that we'll absolutely finish somewhere between 2 and 15 wins.

True Dat :bng:

skymike 08-15-2015 12:08 AM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
If Drew would have played in the Ravens preseason game, he would have
been throwing from his ass, with no running game, and no defense, and we still would have looked like sh**, and we still would have lost.

homerj07 08-15-2015 07:40 AM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 662856)
I'm 32% positive that 80% of your opinion is 70% correct, but thats only because of the observations of the 1st pre-sesaon game which is a 37% indicator of future results when it actually matters, but thats without considering the 35% downgrade factor due to non-gameplanning for our specific opponent.

Upon doing the math, this game is about a 32% indicator of how we'll play without Drew Brees in 2015.

With the Drew Factor, this game drops to a 13% indicator of future performance which, considering our strength of schedule combined with the changes made by all 16 of our opponents, and factoring in injuries to all 16 of our opponents I can truly verify that we'll absolutely finish somewhere between 2 and 15 wins.

Owwww. My heads hurts. Screw percentages... Win f--king games :bng:

hagan714 08-15-2015 07:40 AM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Evan Mathis and Red Bryant are still out there. bring them in for a look and see what they got left in the tank. keep an eye on the waiver wires big time.

brees84 08-15-2015 10:25 AM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Jahri Evans. I'm afraid he is done. Those backups better be ready. Interior O-line and D-line are huge question marks.

If we had cap room Evan Mathis would be a no brainer.

jeanpierre 08-15-2015 03:33 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Jahri has gotten paid and he's just going through the motions...

halloween 65 08-15-2015 03:49 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
We may have kept the wrong G.? Grubbs money was high but Evans was getting killed last season too. Grubbs would have looked good with our new C in the run game.

Danno 08-15-2015 04:35 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 662948)
We may have kept the wrong G.? Grubbs money was high but Evans was getting killed last season too. Grubbs would have looked good with our new C in the run game.

I can't lie, I'm more worried about OG than absolutely any position on this team.

I'm hoping Loomis at least has Evan Mathis' phone number on speed dial.

Then again, they may have several vets targeted and are simply waiting for those 1st round of cuts.

billyt81 08-15-2015 04:44 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
All I look at in preseason is rookies. Two rookie NT look great. Eulls and Richardson I think. Also liked a rookie lb from Virginia. Swann reminds me of Fred Thomas. Can run with anyone but poor ball skills. Marcus Murphy never dances. Just hits the hole. Hell help us. The WR Snead has a chance and Grayson is legit. Gonna be a great battle for backup qb. Football is back! WhoDat!

Boutte 08-15-2015 06:52 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Our whole season depends on how well the O-Line can come together. The defense sure as hell ain't winning any games for us and if Brees can't step up in the pocket we're sunk.

jeanpierre 08-16-2015 05:32 PM

Re: Preseason: Saints @ Ravens, Who Looked Good? Who, well, not so much?
 
Know Your Sean Payton Terminology - Hidden Yardage

Sean Payton made a point to identify a trio of New Orleans Saints who stood out for the right reasons in Thursday night’s preseason loss...

“I thought Murphy returned the ball exceptionally well,” Payton said of Murphy, who returned five kickoffs for 132 yards, with a long of 32...

...Payton said Murphy “showed great courage” and “thought his instincts were pretty good.”

Payton also mentioned rookie cornerback Damian Swann, who had one big interception and two costly penalties. Payton said Swann, “made a few good plays in the secondary; that was encouraging.”

Last but not least, Payton praised one of the Saints’ biggest acquisitions of the offseason -- new center Max Unger...

“I thought Max Unger in his first game did some really good things,” Payton said.

As for the bad and the ugly...Payton said the coaches officially counted the Saints as finishing minus-211 in “hidden yardage” because of things like yards gained after penalties that kept drives alive.

“That’s a real high number,” Payton emphasized.

The Saints had a whopping total of 16 penalties for 143 yards in the loss.



Source: Sean Payton praises trio of New Orleans Saints - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN


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