Fire Venturi
 

Not to long ago one of our guys here posted under the name Fire Venturi.
So Venturi was here about 8 years before he went to St. Louis. I think we need to push this process a little quicker this time with RR.

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It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything?

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Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else...

If he's letting Payton run roughshod over him like this, it's on Ryan...

Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then...

Drafting and acquiring Ronald Powell, Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull and Dannell Ellerbe...

Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end...

Move a slow, prodding 3-4 DE in Jordan to a 4-3 DE that is somehow going to be faster...

If it is Payton, he is doing to the defense what his double reverse did for his play calling reputation...

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We have another losing season a lot of ppl will be gone.....

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Meanwhile the Feaggles and Coach Chip managed 4 turnovers today against the colts.

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you're not serious...there was no one here but Rob last year. His own players said they couldn't move because they were thinking too much due to how overly complicated the defense was.

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What are you talking about man? You question why Rob Ryan is to blame but then you list a gazillion reasons that prove my point that Rob isn't to blame.

It's Payton!! He can't leave the defense alone so anytime he sees something he doesn't like he makes sweeping changes.

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This is not SP. What a load of crap. People are singing this because of one play in preseason where sean said to blitz. They take that one piece of information and start applying it wherever they feel like it.

His own players complained about how complicated the d was last season. In 13 was SP the reason the d was ranked fourth..? My guess is RR didn't have time that year to over complicate it. Who's fault was it in Dallas, SP?

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I think its Payton's fault Vitt, Johnson, and Mc Griff are still there. I think most these guys have been there since Spagnolo or before then and we yielded the same results. If you look at it from a business stand point Rob is the manager while vitt and then are assistant managers that actually are the true hands ppl towards the players in there respected positions. So if the defense was horrible before Rob took over I highly doubt firing Rob and getting another DC while keeping Vitt and company will make the defense solid. Not backing Rob but i think Payton if this year is another crap year fire Rob, Vitt as linebacker coach, Johnson, and Mc Griff and start new across the board.

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We picked the wrong NT in the 3rd round that year. Brandon Thompson who the Raven took at the bottom of that round was the correct selection.

Evidence: he's the starting NT for the Ravens who ensured our starters could do nothing in the middle. Pushed the pocket back into our QB's face, too.

He was another small school stud like Armstead (who we took earlier that round). Wow, 3rd round has been kind to us lately (Jimmy Graham, Armstead, hopefully Grayson and PJ). Hoping Jenkins returns to rookie form and wonder if it is attitude, conditioning, or run-slowing weight.

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I think you meant Brandon Williams? Yeah I get it, he is a very good/productive player at this stage of his career. Ozzie sure can find defensive studs can't he? Big John on the other hand isn't getting it done :rolleyes:.

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The season hasn't started yet & I 'm tired of it all.

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This is probably the best point that can be made for RR. If we really wanted to give Ryan a fair shot then he should be able to bring in his own guys. Hell, if I was a highly touted DC on the market for a new job I wouldn't accept someone picking my staff for me. This might be a reason we didn't get Jack Del Rio or Romeo when they were available. Of all things Payton brings back another one of his 'boys' in Allen... Rob has to feel like he has no control because Payton's minions are all around him.

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Just look at how much we're debating this. A team with a real defense doesn't have to do this. Well done Payton.

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Come on Chris that meddling a$$ fool won us a Superbowl on the most gutsy play ever in the history of football.

I won't condemn Ryan either until the season starts. I don't think he ever was a good defensive coach but he's ours and this is only preseason.

As Iverson once, twice or twenty times said, "are we talking about practice", "practice right", "we are talking about practice right"!

Get my point? Thanks

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Should have asked this question earlier but who was the guy here that used to post as Fireventuri. Does anyone remember and is he still around.

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ehh, I don't think this is 100% off base because I think people like to work with their peope, but he took the job knowing this, and he was hugely successful in 13. Something changed...we need to figure out what it was and get back to what worked.

To me, no pressure. 13 we had a lot of pressure.(that and not having greer or someone to replace him)

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Wow... A preseason thread already in mid-season, meltdown form.

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And you wonder why the NFL won't let the public own stock shares in any other teams than the Green Bay Packers...

Then again, Green Bay is Title Town when it comes to the NFL...

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Not just Ozzie. Baltimor coaches are no joke either. They sure know how to develop talent. We on the other hand...

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On a side note Rick Venturi does the Colts TV broadcast. I live in Indy and if Saints fans are upset you can imagine the Colts fans!!

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B&G is in mid-season form. Good job guys, keep up the hard work!

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Venturi must have some dirt on Benson is all I can figure.

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Fire anyone associated with our defense and start over.......well, it worked before.