Fire Venturi

RailBoss · 08-16-2015, 01:35 PM

Not to long ago one of our guys here posted under the name Fire Venturi.
So Venturi was here about 8 years before he went to St. Louis. I think we need to push this process a little quicker this time with RR.

ChrisXVI · 08-16-2015, 03:35 PM

It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything?

jeanpierre · 08-16-2015, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything?

Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else...

If he's letting Payton run roughshod over him like this, it's on Ryan...

Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then...

Drafting and acquiring Ronald Powell, Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull and Dannell Ellerbe...

Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end...

Move a slow, prodding 3-4 DE in Jordan to a 4-3 DE that is somehow going to be faster...

If it is Payton, he is doing to the defense what his double reverse did for his play calling reputation...

ChrisXVI · 08-16-2015, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else...

If he's letting Payton run roughshod over him like this, it's on Ryan...

Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then...

Drafting and acquiring Ronald Powell, Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull and Dannell Ellerbe...

Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end...

Move a slow, prodding 3-4 DE in Jordan to a 4-3 DE that is somehow going to be faster...

If it is Payton, he is doing to the defense what his double reverse did for his play calling reputation...

What are you talking about man? You question why Rob Ryan is to blame but then you list a gazillion reasons that prove my point that Rob isn't to blame.

It's Payton!! He can't leave the defense alone so anytime he sees something he doesn't like he makes sweeping changes.

spkb25 · 08-16-2015, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else...

If he's letting Payton run roughshod over him like this, it's on Ryan...

Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then...

Drafting and acquiring Ronald Powell, Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull and Dannell Ellerbe...

Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end...

Move a slow, prodding 3-4 DE in Jordan to a 4-3 DE that is somehow going to be faster...

If it is Payton, he is doing to the defense what his double reverse did for his play calling reputation...

This is not SP. What a load of crap. People are singing this because of one play in preseason where sean said to blitz. They take that one piece of information and start applying it wherever they feel like it.

His own players complained about how complicated the d was last season. In 13 was SP the reason the d was ranked fourth..? My guess is RR didn't have time that year to over complicate it. Who's fault was it in Dallas, SP?

MarchingOn · 08-16-2015, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else...

Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then...

..................
Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end...

We picked the wrong NT in the 3rd round that year. Brandon Thompson who the Raven took at the bottom of that round was the correct selection.

Evidence: he's the starting NT for the Ravens who ensured our starters could do nothing in the middle. Pushed the pocket back into our QB's face, too.

He was another small school stud like Armstead (who we took earlier that round). Wow, 3rd round has been kind to us lately (Jimmy Graham, Armstead, hopefully Grayson and PJ). Hoping Jenkins returns to rookie form and wonder if it is attitude, conditioning, or run-slowing weight.

K Major · 08-16-2015, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by MarchingOn

We picked the wrong NT in the 3rd round that year. Brandon Thompson who the Raven took at the bottom of that round was the correct selection.

Evidence: he's the starting NT for the Ravens who ensured our starters could do nothing in the middle. Pushed the pocket back into our QB's face, too.

I think you meant Brandon Williams? Yeah I get it, he is a very good/productive player at this stage of his career. Ozzie sure can find defensive studs can't he? Big John on the other hand isn't getting it done

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brees84 · 08-17-2015, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I think you meant Brandon Williams? Yeah I get it, he is a very good/productive player at this stage of his career. Ozzie sure can find defensive studs can't he? Big John on the other hand isn't getting it done .

Not just Ozzie. Baltimor coaches are no joke either. They sure know how to develop talent. We on the other hand...

spkb25 · 08-16-2015, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything?

you're not serious...there was no one here but Rob last year. His own players said they couldn't move because they were thinking too much due to how overly complicated the defense was.

CheramieIII · 08-17-2015, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything?

Come on Chris that meddling a$$ fool won us a Superbowl on the most gutsy play ever in the history of football.

I won't condemn Ryan either until the season starts. I don't think he ever was a good defensive coach but he's ours and this is only preseason.

As Iverson once, twice or twenty times said, "are we talking about practice", "practice right", "we are talking about practice right"!

Get my point? Thanks

08-16-2015, 01:35 PM	#1
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Fire Venturi Not to long ago one of our guys here posted under the name Fire Venturi. So Venturi was here about 8 years before he went to St. Louis. I think we need to push this process a little quicker this time with RR. AlaskaSaints likes this.

08-16-2015, 03:35 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Fire Venturi It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything?

08-16-2015, 03:47 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by ChrisXVI It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything? Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else... If he's letting Payton run roughshod over him like this, it's on Ryan... Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then... Drafting and acquiring Ronald Powell, Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull and Dannell Ellerbe... Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end... Move a slow, prodding 3-4 DE in Jordan to a 4-3 DE that is somehow going to be faster... If it is Payton, he is doing to the defense what his double reverse did for his play calling reputation...
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08-16-2015, 04:09 PM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else... If he's letting Payton run roughshod over him like this, it's on Ryan... Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then... Drafting and acquiring Ronald Powell, Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull and Dannell Ellerbe... Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end... Move a slow, prodding 3-4 DE in Jordan to a 4-3 DE that is somehow going to be faster... If it is Payton, he is doing to the defense what his double reverse did for his play calling reputation... What are you talking about man? You question why Rob Ryan is to blame but then you list a gazillion reasons that prove my point that Rob isn't to blame. It's Payton!! He can't leave the defense alone so anytime he sees something he doesn't like he makes sweeping changes.

08-16-2015, 04:12 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else... If he's letting Payton run roughshod over him like this, it's on Ryan... Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then... Drafting and acquiring Ronald Powell, Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull and Dannell Ellerbe... Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end... Move a slow, prodding 3-4 DE in Jordan to a 4-3 DE that is somehow going to be faster... If it is Payton, he is doing to the defense what his double reverse did for his play calling reputation... This is not SP. What a load of crap. People are singing this because of one play in preseason where sean said to blitz. They take that one piece of information and start applying it wherever they feel like it. His own players complained about how complicated the d was last season. In 13 was SP the reason the d was ranked fourth..? My guess is RR didn't have time that year to over complicate it. Who's fault was it in Dallas, SP? Halo and MarchingOn like this.

08-16-2015, 10:31 PM	#6
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rob should either not have let it come to this or he should walk in to Payton's office and state that either he's in charge of the defense or he should go somewhere else... Personally, I don't get spending two draft picks to move up and draft John Jenkins, then... .................. Only to have our best DT/NT lose 25+ pounds (Hicks) and play defensive end... We picked the wrong NT in the 3rd round that year. Brandon Thompson who the Raven took at the bottom of that round was the correct selection. Evidence: he's the starting NT for the Ravens who ensured our starters could do nothing in the middle. Pushed the pocket back into our QB's face, too. He was another small school stud like Armstead (who we took earlier that round). Wow, 3rd round has been kind to us lately (Jimmy Graham, Armstead, hopefully Grayson and PJ). Hoping Jenkins returns to rookie form and wonder if it is attitude, conditioning, or run-slowing weight.

08-16-2015, 10:59 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by MarchingOn We picked the wrong NT in the 3rd round that year. Brandon Thompson who the Raven took at the bottom of that round was the correct selection. Evidence: he's the starting NT for the Ravens who ensured our starters could do nothing in the middle. Pushed the pocket back into our QB's face, too. I think you meant Brandon Williams? Yeah I get it, he is a very good/productive player at this stage of his career. Ozzie sure can find defensive studs can't he? Big John on the other hand isn't getting it done .

08-17-2015, 08:41 AM	#8
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by K Major I think you meant Brandon Williams? Yeah I get it, he is a very good/productive player at this stage of his career. Ozzie sure can find defensive studs can't he? Big John on the other hand isn't getting it done . Not just Ozzie. Baltimor coaches are no joke either. They sure know how to develop talent. We on the other hand...
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08-16-2015, 04:08 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by ChrisXVI It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything? you're not serious...there was no one here but Rob last year. His own players said they couldn't move because they were thinking too much due to how overly complicated the defense was.

08-17-2015, 12:44 AM	#10
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,489 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Venturi Originally Posted by ChrisXVI It's not Rob's fault our defense sucks. It's Sean Payton's. He's a meddling a$$ fool. How can Rob be successful when Payton brings in a "defensive assistant" who completely changes everything? Come on Chris that meddling a$$ fool won us a Superbowl on the most gutsy play ever in the history of football. I won't condemn Ryan either until the season starts. I don't think he ever was a good defensive coach but he's ours and this is only preseason. As Iverson once, twice or twenty times said, "are we talking about practice", "practice right", "we are talking about practice right"! Get my point? Thanks spkb25 and skymike like this.

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