Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z

GumboBC · 02-06-2005, 07:54 AM

Offending line play

Throughout the league, the offensive line play is at an all-time low

I have never seen worse offensive line play in the NFL than I'm seeing this year. I have never seen so many bad offensive lines.

They're getting swarmed, overrun, inundated. Blitzing is coming back into fashion, not only by typical blitz-happy defensive coaches, such as the Eagles' Jim Johnson, but by anyone who smells weakness along the opponents' offensive front. And there are plenty of them.

Miami's offensive line, perhaps the worst in the business, got roughed up by Tennessee in the opener, and things only got worse the following week against Cincinnati. The Bengals, whose defense got hammered by both the Jets and Ravens, looked like positive monsters against those Dolphin linemen. And so did the Steelers last weekend.

Carolina's line couldn't handle the Green Bay blitz, and the Packers aren't known as a wildly blitzing team. Washington's defensive coach, Gregg Williams, always was considered a sound fundamentalist, but not a guy who pulled out all the stops on his rush. During the three-year period in which he was Buffalo's head coach the Bills' cumulative sack total was below the league average. But this year when he faced the Bucs in the opener, he took a look at that Tampa Bay offensive line, which had been restructured and revamped for the umpteenth time, and sent people in from all angles.

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saintswhodi · 02-06-2005, 10:11 AM

Does he ever menition our line? I am sure if he did you would have highlighted it for us. So if line play is at an all time low in the league, and pretty much EVERYONE has the same problems as AB, I wonder how other teams overcome? BAckwards passes to linemen, or under-handed to LBs? I wonder why there weren\'t more of THOSE highlights for other teams with bad line play. I didn\'t even see AJ feeley do that and they called Miami\'s line the worse.

FireVenturi · 02-06-2005, 11:31 AM

Does he ever menition our line? I am sure if he did you would have highlighted it for us. So if line play is at an all time low in the league, and pretty much EVERYONE has the same problems as AB, I wonder how other teams overcome? BAckwards passes to linemen, or under-handed to LBs? I wonder why there weren\'t more of THOSE highlights for other teams with bad line play. I didn\'t even see AJ feeley do that and they called Miami\'s line the worse.

Yea, and Aj almost led them to the playoffs

xrotflmao:

JKool · 02-06-2005, 11:41 AM

Good article Billy. Nice find.

saintswhodi · 02-06-2005, 12:31 PM

Well Venturi, I was told if AB had a top flight D, he could take us to the playoffs. Miami is true that that ain\'t so. We have bad o-line and bad D. They have terrible o-line and great D. We both have one thing in common though, poor quarterbacking.

chRxis · 02-06-2005, 01:23 PM

i wouldn\'t say leon is a bad quarterback... he\'s an inconsistent-as-all-get-out quarterback... if you look at stats, he\'s in the top 10 best qb\'s right now... if you look at win/loss, he\'s not as good... consistency is his problem. for the last couple of years we\'ve all been hearing, \"well, once he finds his consistency\" which leads me to believe he isn\'t exactly looking hard enough... i think that if leon hasn\'t \"found\" his consistent play yet, he never will and it is time we look elsewhere for a qb who will.

chRxis · 02-06-2005, 01:27 PM

as for the line, the tackle position is where we have major problems... i can\'t say i find to much fault in bentley, jacox, or holland... well, holland is still a little green to pass judgement on yet... but gandy... stick a fork in his ass... riley... if we even in as much as consider to bring his sorry ass back, i\'ll rip off my own arm in anguish... we seriously need to consider bringing in one (if not two) tackles to contend for starting spots and provide depth if they lose out that battle...

FireVenturi · 02-06-2005, 01:30 PM

Well Venturi, I was told if AB had a top flight D, he could take us to the playoffs. Miami is true that that ain\'t so. We have bad o-line and bad D. They have terrible o-line and great D. We both have one thing in common though, poor quarterbacking.

8-8 with the worst D in the league...why are we even discussing QB?

GumboBC · 02-06-2005, 01:37 PM

I respond to a lot of the anti-Brooks posts on this board. I really don\'t take a lot of it too seriously. I just kinda have fun with it.....

But, it still amazes me how some folks try and pin everything on Brooks..

SOME of you, and you know who you are, blame damn near EVERYTHING on Brooks.

For example:

1. Poor offensive line = Brooks holding the ball too long.
2. Dropped Passes = Brooks can\'t throw touch passes.
3. Poor Defense = Brooks can\'t score and it hurts the defense.
4. Teams Record = Lack of leadership from Brooks.
5. Poor Running Game = Because defenses don\'t respect Brooks\' passing ability

And there are many more that haven\'t listed!!

For those of you who try and pin EVERYTHING on Brooks....Do you think anyone in their right mind is believing this stuff?

When you guys post stuff like that, there are only 2 alternatives that I can see in responding to that crap.

1. Ignore it.
2. Make posts that are the extreme opposite.

There is no reasoning with the Brooks bashers. So, you might as well have a little fun with them.

Now, back to what this thread is about.

I think speed is more of a factor for offensive tackles than ever in the history of the NFL.

Since most DE are of the smaller and quicker variety, you don\'t need Big maulers at OT. Instead you need someone who can get to the point of attack to stop the speedy defensive ends.

Of course, there is a trade off. They aren\'t as dominating in the running game and they can be at a disatvantage if they have to face a bigger DE.

[Edited on 6/2/2005 by GumboBC]

chRxis · 02-06-2005, 01:44 PM

i wasn\'t bashing him at all.... just pointing out his inconsistency... you\'re right you can\'t pin everything on him, but you can pin a lot on him... his stats don\'t lie, he\'s got that... but his win/loss doesn\'t lie either... good qb\'s find ways to get it done... if brady can complete a pass from the seat of his pants, i fully expect brooks to put on the numbers if he\'s standing up (which he rarely does, as we all know his balls are usually right at the ground or way too high, but rarely on the numbers)

02-06-2005, 07:54 AM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z Offending line play Throughout the league, the offensive line play is at an all-time low I have never seen worse offensive line play in the NFL than I'm seeing this year. I have never seen so many bad offensive lines. They're getting swarmed, overrun, inundated. Blitzing is coming back into fashion, not only by typical blitz-happy defensive coaches, such as the Eagles' Jim Johnson, but by anyone who smells weakness along the opponents' offensive front. And there are plenty of them. Miami's offensive line, perhaps the worst in the business, got roughed up by Tennessee in the opener, and things only got worse the following week against Cincinnati. The Bengals, whose defense got hammered by both the Jets and Ravens, looked like positive monsters against those Dolphin linemen. And so did the Steelers last weekend. Carolina's line couldn't handle the Green Bay blitz, and the Packers aren't known as a wildly blitzing team. Washington's defensive coach, Gregg Williams, always was considered a sound fundamentalist, but not a guy who pulled out all the stops on his rush. During the three-year period in which he was Buffalo's head coach the Bills' cumulative sack total was below the league average. But this year when he faced the Bucs in the opener, he took a look at that Tampa Bay offensive line, which had been restructured and revamped for the umpteenth time, and sent people in from all angles. Read More
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02-06-2005, 10:11 AM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z Does he ever menition our line? I am sure if he did you would have highlighted it for us. So if line play is at an all time low in the league, and pretty much EVERYONE has the same problems as AB, I wonder how other teams overcome? BAckwards passes to linemen, or under-handed to LBs? I wonder why there weren\'t more of THOSE highlights for other teams with bad line play. I didn\'t even see AJ feeley do that and they called Miami\'s line the worse.

02-06-2005, 11:31 AM	#3
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z Does he ever menition our line? I am sure if he did you would have highlighted it for us. So if line play is at an all time low in the league, and pretty much EVERYONE has the same problems as AB, I wonder how other teams overcome? BAckwards passes to linemen, or under-handed to LBs? I wonder why there weren\'t more of THOSE highlights for other teams with bad line play. I didn\'t even see AJ feeley do that and they called Miami\'s line the worse. Yea, and Aj almost led them to the playoffs xrotflmao:

02-06-2005, 11:41 AM	#4
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z Good article Billy. Nice find.

02-06-2005, 12:31 PM	#5
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z Well Venturi, I was told if AB had a top flight D, he could take us to the playoffs. Miami is true that that ain\'t so. We have bad o-line and bad D. They have terrible o-line and great D. We both have one thing in common though, poor quarterbacking.

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02-06-2005, 01:23 PM	#6
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z i wouldn\'t say leon is a bad quarterback... he\'s an inconsistent-as-all-get-out quarterback... if you look at stats, he\'s in the top 10 best qb\'s right now... if you look at win/loss, he\'s not as good... consistency is his problem. for the last couple of years we\'ve all been hearing, \"well, once he finds his consistency\" which leads me to believe he isn\'t exactly looking hard enough... i think that if leon hasn\'t \"found\" his consistent play yet, he never will and it is time we look elsewhere for a qb who will.

02-06-2005, 01:27 PM	#7
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z as for the line, the tackle position is where we have major problems... i can\'t say i find to much fault in bentley, jacox, or holland... well, holland is still a little green to pass judgement on yet... but gandy... stick a fork in his ass... riley... if we even in as much as consider to bring his sorry ass back, i\'ll rip off my own arm in anguish... we seriously need to consider bringing in one (if not two) tackles to contend for starting spots and provide depth if they lose out that battle...

02-06-2005, 01:30 PM	#8
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z Well Venturi, I was told if AB had a top flight D, he could take us to the playoffs. Miami is true that that ain\'t so. We have bad o-line and bad D. They have terrible o-line and great D. We both have one thing in common though, poor quarterbacking. 8-8 with the worst D in the league...why are we even discussing QB?

02-06-2005, 01:37 PM	#9
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z I respond to a lot of the anti-Brooks posts on this board. I really don\'t take a lot of it too seriously. I just kinda have fun with it..... But, it still amazes me how some folks try and pin everything on Brooks.. SOME of you, and you know who you are, blame damn near EVERYTHING on Brooks. For example: 1. Poor offensive line = Brooks holding the ball too long. 2. Dropped Passes = Brooks can\'t throw touch passes. 3. Poor Defense = Brooks can\'t score and it hurts the defense. 4. Teams Record = Lack of leadership from Brooks. 5. Poor Running Game = Because defenses don\'t respect Brooks\' passing ability And there are many more that haven\'t listed!! For those of you who try and pin EVERYTHING on Brooks....Do you think anyone in their right mind is believing this stuff? When you guys post stuff like that, there are only 2 alternatives that I can see in responding to that crap. 1. Ignore it. 2. Make posts that are the extreme opposite. There is no reasoning with the Brooks bashers. So, you might as well have a little fun with them. Now, back to what this thread is about. I think speed is more of a factor for offensive tackles than ever in the history of the NFL. Since most DE are of the smaller and quicker variety, you don\'t need Big maulers at OT. Instead you need someone who can get to the point of attack to stop the speedy defensive ends. Of course, there is a trade off. They aren\'t as dominating in the running game and they can be at a disatvantage if they have to face a bigger DE. [Edited on 6/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-06-2005, 01:44 PM	#10
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	Bad Offensive Line Play by Dr. Z i wasn\'t bashing him at all.... just pointing out his inconsistency... you\'re right you can\'t pin everything on him, but you can pin a lot on him... his stats don\'t lie, he\'s got that... but his win/loss doesn\'t lie either... good qb\'s find ways to get it done... if brady can complete a pass from the seat of his pants, i fully expect brooks to put on the numbers if he\'s standing up (which he rarely does, as we all know his balls are usually right at the ground or way too high, but rarely on the numbers)