Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag
 

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JACKSON, Miss. -- Jimmy Buffett, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman and former New Orleans Saints quarterback Archie Manning are among famous current and former Mississippi residents asking the state to remove the Confederate battle emblem from its flag.

Archie Manning joins celebrity effort to change Mississippi state flag | NOLA.com

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Yeah, thats the problem, the flag. :rolleyes:

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"Yeah, thats the problem, the flag."

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Fortunately, you are only ONE vote, Archie.
Now, mind your business, pageant dad.

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:itsgood:

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I guess it's time for me to stand up against the rainbow flag........because it offends me. :argue:

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This is the flag i believe in.......

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Go with this one and see how many we can piss off!

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Et tu Archie?!?

I get it if he's doing it to keep indirect heat off of his sons...

We need to just start kicking PC Police in the groin...

Don't know what kind of Commander in Chief he'll make, but I love what Trump is doing for the national debate...

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Exactly.

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So you love to see a trust fund baby blow hot air and sling insults left and right, front and back? Without any merit or substance whatsoever?

"He's a loser, she is a loser, I am rich, Mexicans are rapists, women have periods, blah blah blah"... ok... free country and all..

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Trump has made this whole thing into a Sitcom/Reality Show. You just can't wait for the next episode to see what he does. Maybe the good thing is that he is confusing the heck out of all the other countries. Kind of like the way SP used to call plays at one point in time the other teams couldn't figure him out week to week.

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The country gonna' be waving this flag at the rate it's going ...

http://www.theamericanconservative.c.../whiteflag.jpg

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His appeal is because he's striking back at an elitist media that for most of my life has been severely left wing biased.

I do not want him as my President, unless the only alternative is a Democrat

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Oh, please..

What the heck is "an elitist media"? Never mind that "media" is plural...

His appeal is that he runs his mouth, that is his appeal. Still trying to imitate Reagan's bravado, not realizing that most of Reagan's bravado came from an actor.

The reality is, no matter who says what, as long as someone slings insults at non-GOPers (unless it is something about the military, in which case it is taboo, as long as it doesn't involve a Democrat, then it isn't), puts the bible ahead of the US Constitution, wants guns bought and sold through vending machines like bubble gum, opposes everything and anything a Democrat says or does just because that Democrat is not GOP, and slaps the word "freedom" to anything, the core of the GOPers will give standing ovations.

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Yeah, so?

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Due respect, but you're wrong.

Yesterday was a good example. The whole immigration thing. Now it's clear to me that Trump doesn't fully understand, or maybe he just doesn't give credit to or is maybe blissfully unaware of the complexities of illegal immigration. I'll not only give you that, I'll say it first.

But he goes in front of the country and he says, "listen, we all know what 'anchor babies' are, and it's bull**** and it needs to stop.

Anybody disagree?

No. Most people in this country, 14th amendment notwithstanding, agree with Trump. It's bull****. It's being horribly abused, deliberately, and the country cannot continue to afford illegal immigration at the scale we see it today.

He's willing to come at people in a different way, BECAUSE he's not a career politician. BECAUSE he doesn't need to play the game the way a career politician MUST play it.

He's not going to win. But I'll keep hoping that some of the truly viable candidates will take note of the nerve he's touched in our Country and follow his lead to some degree.

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Exactly.

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Actually I am right, and you just presented my case for me.

Yes, always good to hear from someone who does not understand what he or she is talking about.

Well, no ****, Sherlock.
I don't think anyone will disagree in that we know what an anchor baby is, and that it is bull****. However, this is exactly what a loud mouth does: run his mouth with expletives stating what's obvious; but somehow, because he's confrontational, uses expletives, it makes it more valid or truer, a revelation, an epiphany?

And where is the substance? Where is the viable solution? "Build a wall and make the Mexicans pay for it".. yeah, great solution there. Reminds me of the French.

"In a different way".. yeah, running his mouth, you mean.

What nerve? you mean the very same nerve (immigration) that everyone has been touching since forever in every election within the GOP?

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Clearly you and I have two entirely different perspectives. If I may, I think you might be a bit too wrapped up in your disdain for "The Donald" to see the forest for the trees. Doesn't matter. Fact is he's leading the polls for a reason. People seem to be tired of hearing the same well-prepared canned answers when politicians are put on public display. I for one am hopeful the politicos will recognize this and that if nothing else Trump's presence gets us closer to reality and further from political correctness.

If I may, were's the "substance" or the viable "solution" from any other candidate? Trump will say what the other's steer clear from saying.

Happy to discuss in the political forum.

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Well, isn't that a deep thought?
What forest is it that I can't see? Please enlighten me.

Yes, the reason being, he's a loud mouth, and apparently the GOP loves nothing more than a loud mouth.

Hey, look at that, another buzzword. You are tired of canned political statements, but not tired of canned political buzzwords. To each his own. Oh, wait, to each his/her own :) Almost forgot to be politically correct.

Yeah, let's get our Trump on, and just go around slinging insult after insult with pseudo-bravado all over the place. Have an issue with your neighbor? Knock on his door and yell "you are a loser!!!". Your kid is having an issue in school? Go to the school and yell "that teacher must be on the rag!!!!".

.. oh, just make sure you keep your Mexican maid... after all, you are not about to pay a real wage for that...

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We should take it up here...

http://blackandgold.com/poli/73663-d...ell-worth.html

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The flag is offensive and I am happy for his stance

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Is it time for football yet?


How 'bout now?

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COWARDS. That's part of our history, part of our heritage. This is what SOCIALISTS do, they try to strip away your history, your heritage and try to make you forget where you came from, what you've been through and who you were and who you are. If that flag hurts, or insults you, you need to get phycological help. It's OUR HISTORY, AMERICA'S HISTORY. It's not all perfect, it's not all pretty, but we've grown from it at least some have and those who cling to the past will never enjoy the present they have or the future they could have. Grow up people and open your damn eyes to what's being perpetrated by the powers that be currently in this country.

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At the government level I can see an issue. But a public vote is the best way to do this. Unless it is a repeat of North Carolina all over again were the flag was placed there out of spite. Then it should just go. It was a dishonor to the flag itself being put there in spite because of the equal rights movement.

Now the most racist symbol in history is the democrat party itself. So lets be totally honest on this one.

Read this piece. It is not long but does a pretty job of painting the whole picture before the war

Why Was Cotton ‘King’? by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.
The Role Cotton Played in the 1800s Economy | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

You get a pretty good idea of the hog wash civil war history has become. Not standing up for North nor am I standing up for the South in this debate. Both have blood on their hands in this one

Just argue the facts honestly, not what we were taught. Trust me. Once the true story is understood, a flag and some statues are the least of the issue.

History is always propaganda for the winning side. :cool:

Some day we must all move on.

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Ill say one thing about this. I have no problem with the flag itself. The problem is that hate groups have used what used to be a symbol for fighting for what you believe in to a symbol of hate by adopting it as their banner.
If it really does truely offend people that bad then it has no place on a government property. Fly the flag on your own to show that you stick to your beliefs and enjoy the freedom to express your voice in any way you choose.
Changing street names and taking down statues are a totally different animal. Westerners are the only culture who tries to forget the past. Most every other culture remembers and records history accurately as it happened. They use this knowledge to keep from making the same mistakes. The Jews even preserved the concentration camps as a symbol of how much they went through and still survived. If anyone has the right to ***** its the Jews and Native americans.
Meanwhile while we are distracted glued to our TVs and arguing about things like the flag or how some races get preferential treatment Isis is using chemical weapons and american aid workers are getting slaughtered in Africa. Its easy to miss the really big issues when they have your complete focus on a relatively small issue in comparison. If we arent careful one day when we are busy arguing amongst ourselves someone is going to step in and do some serious damage right in our back yard and we wont see it coming.

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I could right a small novel in response to your entire post, but I'll leave it at this: clinging to the past, aren't you doing the same thing?

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Are you implying African American don't have the right to ******? The argument most people are concern with is the flag is a symbol of heritage/history. That is why the flag should be placed in a museum not in front of a courthouse. If we want to teach/express equal rights and freedom to ALL the flag don't belong cause it means total opposite.

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The Confederate flag is not a symbol of slavery, hatred or racism. It was the national flag of a country that was once known as the Confederated States of America. A country that was made up of states who seceded from the union not because they wanted to keep their slaves, but because Abraham Lincoln wanted to centralize government and trample states rights. The fact is that industry was booming in the south at that time, much more so than in the north, and Lincoln wanted control of it. The southern states weren't willing to let the government come in and take over, and thus were perfectly within their rights to secede. Well naturally old honest Abe couldn't let all of our resources just slip through his fingers, but he knew he couldn't start a war simply over control either. To do that would have made him look like the bad guy (rightfully so) and damaged his legacy, which was also very important to him, possibly beyond repair. So he used slavery as his excuse to invade, because he knew it would portray him in a favorable light. Make no mistake, he didn't champion the cause of abolition because he was a great humanitarian, he did it because it was politically advantageous. In a letter to one of his General's during the war, he said that he viewed blacks as inferior, that he had no particular care for them, and that he would ultimately like to have them all sent back to Africa if possible. But the winner gets to write the history, so most people never hear a word of this. Just like they never hear that slavery was steadily being phased out anyway, because of the industrial advances that the south was responsible for. This info is out there though, and most of it can be found in a book called "The Real Lincoln". I strongly recommend that everyone read it, it's an eye opener. Turns out that the great Abraham Lincoln wasn't so great. He was a borderline tyrant who started a war that raped and devestated the south. Who turned a blind eye to the atrocities committed by his armies against innocent people. Elderly, women, children... entire cities burned to the ground in the name of "freedom"..... anyway, I say all that to loop back around to this: that flag represented a country, one that was brutally and unjustly beaten and starved to death. A country whose victims of war included the slaves it was supposedly meant to liberate. The fact that some ignorant jacka $$es have used the flag for their own purposes doesn't change what it truly represents. It represents the idea that we shouldn't have government shoved down our throats, and that we should be free to make our own choices, not be forced into what the government says we have to choose from. It's an important to part of our history and it needs to be honored as such. Forget about the hate groups and focus on the facts... and read that book!

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What make this book "The Real Lincoln" non fiction? Fact, Abraham Lincoln ordered Emancipation Proclamation to paved the way for African-Americans to fight for their freedom. Fact, the south was against the abolishment of slavery. Fact, Lincoln considered the Emancipation Proclamation the crowning achievement of his presidency.

10 Facts about the Emancipation Proclamation

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It is not a symbol of slavery?
The south was fighting to maintain control over their property which at the time African American were considered property.

It is not a symbol of hatred?
It was a symbol of hating the government. That is why the "x" is crossed with stars and stripes.

It is not a symbol of racism?
Why EVERY hate group display the flag?

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Like I said dude, read it for yourself. It's not fiction, and it will blow your mind. The emancipation proclamation was just another political tool he used... just do yourself a favor and read the book. He's not the hero you think he is.

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The south was fighting to maintain states rights. Lincoln and revisionist historians want you to believe it was about slavery because that's what he needed people to believe so that he wouldn't be seen as the near tyrant that he was... I'll say it one more time, read the book and see for yourself.

I don't know where you get the "hating the government" thing from, but I'm sure it's taken out of context. The south was against centralized or "big" government, Lincoln was all about it.. that's why they seceded.

As I said in my original post, the fact that hate groups use it for their purposes doesn't change what it truly symbolizes. There are hate groups who fly the American flag, should we rip it down too? Those maniacs are the minority, why are we letting them dictate what things should or should not mean?

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You win the internet.

/salute

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You can't erase history. But it seem like everyone is trying.

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i agree with you. the flag has no place in the government in my opinion also. to avoid the state flag issue i think it hould come up for a vote.

Just this has gone a bit extreme. I can not buy a rebel flag on line but i can get nazi and isis all day long?

duke of hazards? that was my final straw. hell that was offense to all white southerns lol

The extremist are hurting the message as they always do with ever thing they touch.

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I wonder what Trump thinks of the flag...
After all, he don't like losers :D

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Can you not get a rebel flag online? From what I understand only EBay and Wal Mart and maybe Amazon chose to not carry the item for sale any longer. I'm fine with that. Its their business and if the money lost/gained is something they can live with then more power to them. There are still other online vendors where you can get flags. I haven't checked so I don't know.

And no I am not saying African Americans do not have the right to be mad. All I am saying is that at a certain point people need to learn how to let go of their hate and baggage in order to move on.
It is said in just about every religion and agreed by many psychologists that the only way someone can move on and be free in their personal life is by learning to let go of any emotional baggage, accept it for what it is, own it, learn from it, and move on. It will make you stronger in the end .The same is true in society. Throughout history everyone, every race, religion, society, country, has been **** on at some point in time. If we all went around pointing fingers to this day we would never have progressed as a species.

And the civil war was mostly all about slavery. The South wanted to keep slaves and every state in the confederacy wanted to have the right to choose weather or not they got to keep slaves. Slavery was unconstitutional. States had their rights as long as they practiced them within the confines of the constitution. The southern states didn't want to accept the fact that slavery was unconstitutional.

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Here you go, buddy.
Buy Rebel Flag 3 X 5 ft. for sale, Confederate Battle Flag 3 X 5 ft. for sale

Just be careful. Some are made in China :D