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The Dude 08-23-2015 12:33 AM

Wide receivers
 
I admit that I thought we were in trouble in that department especially since we got rid of Graham and Stills. It looks now that we may be ok after all. I like the way Cooks progressed from last year it seems. Coleman and Snead along with Morgan seem to be just fine. I think we found some diamonds there.
Its one preseason game but the offense was pretty damn exciting. Defense looked better too but still no pressure. I think we have the personnel to get away with the strategy of simply outscoring our opponents. If our D is even a little better than last year we may be ok after all.

nola_swammi 08-23-2015 02:13 AM

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With Coleman size and height, I would like for him to be more aggressive for the ball although that ball was not catchable that McClown threw in the end zone, I would prefer a stronger effort to attack the ball in the air, even if he had to run through the defender

spkb25 08-23-2015 06:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 663921)
With Coleman size and height, I would like for him to be more aggressive for the ball although that ball was not catchable that McClown threw in the end zone, I would prefer a stronger effort to attack the ball in the air, even if he had to run through the defender

I expect him to get better as the year goes on and he has a high ceiling. I am excited. If we can get spiller healthy...look out man

MatthewT 08-23-2015 07:27 AM

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Cooks continues to impress, cannot really tell with Colston as veterans usually don't show much in preseason. I think if Spiller doesn't come through that the Saints will be fine in the screen game using Ingram, Robinson, and eventually Murphy could be a major contributor.

What I am not liking is what I am seeing out of the #3, 4, and 5 WR spots. No one appears to have stepped up, maybe Snead kinda sorta??? TE has not been impressive either, but think Ben Watson will be fine for the short term once the season gets going.

44Champs 08-23-2015 10:39 AM

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I was disappointed in Santaveus Jones. He didnt do much when had the opportunity. Was really expecting a lot more from him. Josh Morgan, even with that fumble, looked good - he has some fluid moves - next time he'll remember to switch the ball to his opposite arm. Snead caught just about everything thrown his way as usual, and joe morgan looked good when he had his opportunities. Coaches will have some tough calls to make.

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SmashMouth 08-23-2015 11:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 663972)
I was disappointed in Santaveus Jones. He didnt do much when had the opportunity. Was really expecting a lot more from him. Josh Morgan, even with that fumble, looked good - he has some fluid moves - next time he'll remember to switch the ball to his opposite arm. Snead caught just about everything thrown his way as usual, and joe morgan looked good when he had his opportunities. Coaches will have some tough calls to make.

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Josh Morgan should know by now not to carry a loaf of bread like that.

nola_swammi 08-23-2015 03:27 PM

Re: Wide receivers
 
Look like Toon is on his way to IR, with that high ankle sprain

Danno 08-23-2015 03:33 PM

Re: Wide receivers
 
After week 2...

1. Cooks
2. Colston
3 (tie) Coleman/Snead
5 (tie) Joe Morgan, Saunders, Toon

AsylumGuido 08-23-2015 03:34 PM

Re: Wide receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 663921)
With Coleman size and height, I would like for him to be more aggressive for the ball although that ball was not catchable that McClown threw in the end zone, I would prefer a stronger effort to attack the ball in the air, even if he had to run through the defender

No, that ball was catchable, but perhaps not at his current stage of development. A more experienced receiver with his height and reach would have come down with that ball still extended instead of attempting to pull it in allowing the defender to punch it out. I don't fault him since he is still lacking in experience, but I have no doubt he can learn from that encounter.

AsylumGuido 08-23-2015 03:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 664022)
After week 2...

1. Cooks
2. Colston
3 (tie) Coleman/Snead
5 (tie) Joe Morgan, Saunders, Toon

Pretty much agree and I would add that Saunders may have lost his slight advantage with Murphy's showing in the return game. I really hope Snead does make it because he has no fear and GREAT hands.

nola_swammi 08-23-2015 03:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 664023)
No, that ball was catchable, but perhaps not at his current stage of development. A more experienced receiver with his height and reach would have come down with that ball still extended instead of attempting to pull it in allowing the defender to punch it out. I don't fault him since he is still lacking in experience, but I have no doubt he can learn from that encounter.

That was the throw by Brees, I am referring the one by McCown

nola_swammi 08-23-2015 03:45 PM

Re: Wide receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 664022)
After week 2...

1. Cooks
2. Colston
3 (tie) Coleman/Snead
5 (tie) Joe Morgan, Saunders, Toon

I kinda agree but I might give Snead a slighter edge over Coleman since I've seen him make multiple catches and some difficult ones with defender drape all over him. I haven't seen much from Coleman but I've heard he had a great camp now it's time to transfer it on the field

ChrisXVI 08-23-2015 03:49 PM

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Nick Toon's stint with us is over. He's a bum. I think Seantavious Jones is headed for another season on the practice squad. At this point I think Snead and one of the Morgan's are a lock.

1. Brandin Cooks
2. Marques Colston
3. Brandon Coleman
4. Josh/Joe Morgan
5. Willie Snead

dizzle88 08-23-2015 03:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 664025)
Pretty much agree and I would add that Saunders may have lost his slight advantage with Murphy's showing in the return game. I really hope Snead does make it because he has no fear and GREAT hands.

Exactly what's been said all camp about Snead

He catches everything and is not afraid, he even got face to face with Brandon Browner after a hit.

Coleman disappointed me, just rewatching the game now, the DB did a good job of knocking the ball out but he caught it cleanly first time, got to have stronger hands than that.

That's what made Colston a fan favourite in his first couple seasons, making the difficult catches.

nola_swammi 08-23-2015 04:00 PM

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The game is replaying on nfl network right now

K Major 08-23-2015 04:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 664021)
Look like Toon is on his way to IR, with that high ankle sprain

When did this happen? I must have missed that.

dizzle88 08-23-2015 04:38 PM

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Nick Toon = Adrian Arrington Version 2.0

ChrisXVI 08-23-2015 08:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 664034)
Nick Toon = Adrian Arrington Version 2.0

Yep. Toon is normally the darling of training camp but this year it's been all quiet on that front. The job has been his for the taking considering he actually produced a little in the regular season last year but instead it seems he's completely regressed and fallen behind Coleman, Snead and the Morgan's.

nola_swammi 08-23-2015 09:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 664032)
When did this happen? I must have missed that.

Here you go. Look like he will be out for 2 to 3 weeks. I think he likely to be on IR or pup list this season.

Nick Toon Injury: Updates on Saints WR's Ankle and Return | Bleacher Report

billyt81 08-23-2015 09:34 PM

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My favorite topic. Ok. Snead looks great right? Brees can work with him. Joe Morgan being cocky with the ball and losing us the game. I like him but u can't do that. Coleman still gotta prove it to me. RJ Harris is my sleeper. He has a nice skill set.

K Major 08-24-2015 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 664049)
Coleman still gotta prove it to me. RJ Harris is my sleeper. He has a nice skill set.

Hadn't heard his name come up since the start of rookie mini camps :(.

Danno 08-24-2015 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 664049)
My favorite topic. Ok. Snead looks great right? Brees can work with him. Joe Morgan being cocky with the ball and losing us the game. I like him but u can't do that. Coleman still gotta prove it to me. RJ Harris is my sleeper. He has a nice skill set.

That wasn't Joe, that was Josh

Rugby Saint II 08-24-2015 01:59 PM

Re: Wide receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 663917)
I admit that I thought we were in trouble in that department especially since we got rid of Graham and Stills. It looks now that we may be ok after all. I like the way Cooks progressed from last year it seems. Coleman and Snead along with Morgan seem to be just fine. I think we found some diamonds there.
Its one preseason game but the offense was pretty damn exciting. Defense looked better too but still no pressure. I think we have the personnel to get away with the strategy of simply outscoring our opponents. If our D is even a little better than last year we may be ok after all.

Who are you? And what have you done with The Dude?;)

Budsdrinker 08-25-2015 10:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 664023)
No, that ball was catchable, but perhaps not at his current stage of development. A more experienced receiver with his height and reach would have come down with that ball still extended instead of attempting to pull it in allowing the defender to punch it out. I don't fault him since he is still lacking in experience, but I have no doubt he can learn from that encounter.

I agree, that pass to Coleman and it was by Brees on the first drive should have been caught. Play was right in front of my seats. Just like AG said, keep you arms extended away from the defender and it's a TD.

Mr.Riaton 08-25-2015 12:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 664049)
My favorite topic. Ok. Snead looks great right? Brees can work with him. Joe Morgan being cocky with the ball and losing us the game. I like him but u can't do that. Coleman still gotta prove it to me. RJ Harris is my sleeper. He has a nice skill set.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 664100)
That wasn't Joe, that was Josh

Yes, it was Josh. Blaming the loss of a game on one play is not accurate- especially in a meaningless pre-season game. If that's the case,then Payton is to blame for the loss for going for two three times instead of field goals and also for pulling our starters after the first quarter.

K Major 08-25-2015 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 664256)
I agree, that pass to Coleman and it was by Brees on the first drive should have been caught. Play was right in front of my seats. Just like AG said, keep you arms extended away from the defender and it's a TD.

With good coaching he'll get there. He is still developing.

AsylumGuido 08-25-2015 02:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 664269)
With good coaching he'll get there. He is still developing.

Exactly. That's what I like about him. He has quite a bit of upside. He is still raw and will do nothing but improve with more reps. Not to mention, if he keeps close to Cooks he'll learn how to learn and get that much better that much quicker.

jeanpierre 08-25-2015 02:27 PM

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Once Coleman learns to use that big body to shield defenders and with the catch radius to snag balls - he's gonna minimize the void left by the prodigal son...

halloween 65 08-29-2015 06:56 AM

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Cooks is so fast he looks like he's jogging, very, very impressed by him. Snead has some of the best hands and concentration I have seen in a really long time. Willie has heart.

Cruize 08-30-2015 12:09 PM

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No matter how big, strong and fast you are, you have to catch the friggin' ball. Snead is the best overall WR on the team behind Colston and Cooks.

dizzle88 08-30-2015 12:43 PM

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Just look at Cris Carter (yeah he's an absolute A-hole as a person) he was never big or fast but he had some of the best hands of any WR to ever play the game

You watch some of his highlights and he isn't out running guys, but his route running allowed to him to get open and he caught pretty much every pass that was catchable.

jeanpierre 08-30-2015 01:49 PM

Re: Wide receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 664022)
After week 2...

1. Cooks
2. Colston
3 (tie) Coleman/Snead
5 (tie) Joe Morgan, Saunders, Toon

Know Payton loves Joe Morgan slippery speed in the secondary...

But I think Josh Morgan is making this team; if not for the fumble, I'd say he'd have the fourth slot right now...

When looking at the PFF grading, I noticed he's had as many snaps as anybody in this offense...

Today will say plenty about the WRs that make this team...

jeanpierre 08-30-2015 01:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 664696)
Just look at Cris Carter (yeah he's an absolute A-hole as a person) he was never big or fast but he had some of the best hands of any WR to ever play the game

You watch some of his highlights and he isn't out running guys, but his route running allowed to him to get open and he caught pretty much every pass that was catchable.

Separation and hands, a receiver is useless to his quarterback with 'em...

Tobias-Reiper 08-30-2015 04:33 PM

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It is Cooks, Colston, Snead, and Whoever Whatever... not even close after those 3. Frankly, none of the others make an NFL roster if cut, methinks.

The Dude 08-30-2015 08:51 PM

Re: Wide receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 664758)
It is Cooks, Colston, Snead, and Whoever Whatever... not even close after those 3. Frankly, none of the others make an NFL roster if cut, methinks.

Agreed. I think Coleman experiment is done. Has the size but is soft. Reminds me of a Jimmy Graham that just cant catch. Or a Jimmy Graham that is not Jimmy Graham but is as soft as Jimmy Graham.

saintsfan1976 08-31-2015 08:28 AM

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Coleman is still catching passes with his forearms and chest. Not a good sign.

Mardigras9 08-31-2015 08:30 AM

Re: Wide receivers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 664022)
After week 2...

1. Cooks
2. Colston
3 (tie) Coleman/Snead
5 (tie) Joe Morgan, Saunders, Toon

Agreed

Thirty3 08-31-2015 09:05 AM

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The media is nuts concerning our recievers. Look, there are no super names like Jimmy Graham and while Stills was pretty good these two are not our team. EVERY skill position on our team catches the ball. EVERY game Drew will complete passes to 8 or 9 different receivers. Count on it.

lumm0x 08-31-2015 11:18 AM

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Honestly I think this is a scenario that we need to get back to. We were at our best when defenses didn't know where to predict the ball was going. When 9-10 players had receptions every game. When Brees could throw for 5K without a 1K receiver. We were impossible to defend. When Jimmy came along, and as great a mismatch he was, we became the Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy passing game. We always felt the greatest percentage play was always his way. We got bland and predictable and easy to defend. I think this forces us back to what we do best, spread it around and keep defenses on their heels.

homerj07 08-31-2015 11:51 AM

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It would be nice to think they would not have gotten rid of Stills & JG w/o having an idea that they had some good WRs already.


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