Considering the offseason appointments thus far......

johnnythesaint · 02-08-2005, 09:52 AM

Not to be overly cynical but WTF?

I campaigned for Haslett towards the end of the season in the belief that he could get through to the players. Nothing personal but I'm scratching my head at this stick with the devil you know approach.
We tried the consistency approach this year to no avail!!!
If we don't make some real moves in FA and hit the jackpot in the draft then i'm going to have to suffer a repeat, didn't he lobby for greater control?
If this is what he plans to do with it then I'm going to switch bandwagons, C'mon Jim do something.......

WhoDat · 02-08-2005, 10:01 AM

It\'s the same old, same old. Lot\'s of talk, little action to back that up. They\'re sticking with their time-tested strategy though. When a coordinator leaves, just find some other position coach whose players haven\'t lived up and promote him. Think Sheppard has really gotten the most out of his position? Just like Venturi got so much out of the LBs before Zook left. Now just look at how well that worked out! I can\'t imagine how this team won\'t go undefeated next season! LMAO.

baronm · 02-08-2005, 10:01 AM

I think the plan is for a couple of trades: I\'m thinking howard will be one, and not sure about the other..but I have a couple of ideas.

I\'ve heard/read a couple of rumors about trading up in the draft...that to me sounds like a good idea-IF they get alex smith or derick johnson and keep their later pick.

GumboBC · 02-08-2005, 10:30 AM

I try to keep an open mind and not be overly critical of every decision that is made.

If you want to point out the mistakes that have been made by Haslett and co. and say that\'s the way it\'s always gonna be, then, you might as well give up and just expect more of the same.....

With that said, I don\'t see anything that convinces me that we\'ve greatly improved at this point.

Mike Sheppard has done okay as an OC in the past. He\'s coached the 13th and 3rd ranked offense in the NFL. And he\'s had a couple of sub-par years. So, I can\'t just write the guy off.

Why Venturi is still here, I have no idea. However, there was a change in our defensive scheme over the last 4-games. And, to my amazement, it worked. It was rumored that Haslett and Pease got more involved.

Haslett added Jimmy Robinson to assist Venturi and Haslett has said he\'s going to get involved more in the defense. Now, it might not do any good. But, at least I saw a great improvement from the defense at the end of the year. Which is the first time I\'ve EVER seen them play that well. Even the biggest pessimist has to be encouraged by that.

I\'m going to see what the Saints do in free-agency. That\'s going to be the measuring stick I use. If they don\'t compete, I don\'t think we\'ll get over the hump.

Then there are some things that need to happen with-in our current group of players that could help. Like getting Sully to play and the continued improvement of Courtney Watson, Bockwoldt, and James Allen. And Fakir Brown.

And for the first time in many years, we have a stud at cornerback with McKenzie.

McKenzie might be the best CB in Saints history. I can\'t think of one we\'ve ever had that was better than McKenzie...

saintswhodi · 02-08-2005, 10:37 AM

What? No love for Toi \"burnt toast\" Cook?

baronm · 02-08-2005, 11:16 AM

I\'m going to see what the Saints do in free-agency. That\'s going to be the measuring stick I use. If they don\'t compete, I don\'t think we\'ll get over the hump.

i\'m kinda looking at taht too..trades and draft as well..i htink that if we play it right we have the peices to really upgrade this team-but it will mean a significant shake up.

here is something foxnews pointed out after the superbowl:

Marty Mornhinweg, Andy Reid\'s good friend and special assistant, was hoping to land the New Orleans\' offensive coordinator\'s spot that Saints coach Jim Haslett used for an in-house promotion with QBs coach Mike Sheppard. Reid, who detests game-day interviews during the regular-season, has declined to be interviewed by FOX Sports and won\'t be talking in the pregame show about his first championship game.

it keeps getting weider and weider.

[Edited on 9/2/2005 by baronm]

baronm · 02-09-2005, 01:45 PM

refresh-read about edit.

papz · 02-09-2005, 05:35 PM

Haha! Toi Cook and Vince Buck! Those are the good memories. THE DOME PATROL! Maybe if you give our defense a nickname again, they\'ll be half decent.

Danno · 02-09-2005, 08:10 PM

Maybe if you give our defense a nickname again, they\'ll be half decent.

How about EVERLAST, since we\'re last in just about ever category.

LKelley67 · 02-09-2005, 09:17 PM

half decent might be all we need...

deuce the halfback, defense the halfass

the last resort

the big easy

southern comfort

saint sullivan\'s chow line

10 men and a burger

the venturi tube

bayou scum

swamp rats

kill rick volume 5

02-08-2005, 09:52 AM	#1
johnnythesaint 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 125	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... Not to be overly cynical but WTF? I campaigned for Haslett towards the end of the season in the belief that he could get through to the players. Nothing personal but I'm scratching my head at this stick with the devil you know approach. We tried the consistency approach this year to no avail!!! If we don't make some real moves in FA and hit the jackpot in the draft then i'm going to have to suffer a repeat, didn't he lobby for greater control? If this is what he plans to do with it then I'm going to switch bandwagons, C'mon Jim do something.......
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02-08-2005, 10:01 AM	#2
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... It\'s the same old, same old. Lot\'s of talk, little action to back that up. They\'re sticking with their time-tested strategy though. When a coordinator leaves, just find some other position coach whose players haven\'t lived up and promote him. Think Sheppard has really gotten the most out of his position? Just like Venturi got so much out of the LBs before Zook left. Now just look at how well that worked out! I can\'t imagine how this team won\'t go undefeated next season! LMAO.
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02-08-2005, 10:01 AM	#3
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... I think the plan is for a couple of trades: I\'m thinking howard will be one, and not sure about the other..but I have a couple of ideas. I\'ve heard/read a couple of rumors about trading up in the draft...that to me sounds like a good idea-IF they get alex smith or derick johnson and keep their later pick.
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02-08-2005, 10:30 AM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... I try to keep an open mind and not be overly critical of every decision that is made. If you want to point out the mistakes that have been made by Haslett and co. and say that\'s the way it\'s always gonna be, then, you might as well give up and just expect more of the same..... With that said, I don\'t see anything that convinces me that we\'ve greatly improved at this point. Mike Sheppard has done okay as an OC in the past. He\'s coached the 13th and 3rd ranked offense in the NFL. And he\'s had a couple of sub-par years. So, I can\'t just write the guy off. Why Venturi is still here, I have no idea. However, there was a change in our defensive scheme over the last 4-games. And, to my amazement, it worked. It was rumored that Haslett and Pease got more involved. Haslett added Jimmy Robinson to assist Venturi and Haslett has said he\'s going to get involved more in the defense. Now, it might not do any good. But, at least I saw a great improvement from the defense at the end of the year. Which is the first time I\'ve EVER seen them play that well. Even the biggest pessimist has to be encouraged by that. I\'m going to see what the Saints do in free-agency. That\'s going to be the measuring stick I use. If they don\'t compete, I don\'t think we\'ll get over the hump. Then there are some things that need to happen with-in our current group of players that could help. Like getting Sully to play and the continued improvement of Courtney Watson, Bockwoldt, and James Allen. And Fakir Brown. And for the first time in many years, we have a stud at cornerback with McKenzie. McKenzie might be the best CB in Saints history. I can\'t think of one we\'ve ever had that was better than McKenzie...
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02-08-2005, 10:37 AM	#5
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02-08-2005, 11:16 AM	#6
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... I\'m going to see what the Saints do in free-agency. That\'s going to be the measuring stick I use. If they don\'t compete, I don\'t think we\'ll get over the hump. i\'m kinda looking at taht too..trades and draft as well..i htink that if we play it right we have the peices to really upgrade this team-but it will mean a significant shake up. here is something foxnews pointed out after the superbowl: Marty Mornhinweg, Andy Reid\'s good friend and special assistant, was hoping to land the New Orleans\' offensive coordinator\'s spot that Saints coach Jim Haslett used for an in-house promotion with QBs coach Mike Sheppard. Reid, who detests game-day interviews during the regular-season, has declined to be interviewed by FOX Sports and won\'t be talking in the pregame show about his first championship game. it keeps getting weider and weider. [Edited on 9/2/2005 by baronm]
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02-09-2005, 01:45 PM	#7
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02-09-2005, 05:35 PM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... Haha! Toi Cook and Vince Buck! Those are the good memories. THE DOME PATROL! Maybe if you give our defense a nickname again, they\'ll be half decent.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... Maybe if you give our defense a nickname again, they\'ll be half decent. How about EVERLAST, since we\'re last in just about ever category.

02-09-2005, 09:17 PM	#10
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Considering the offseason appointments thus far...... half decent might be all we need... deuce the halfback, defense the halfass the last resort the big easy southern comfort saint sullivan\'s chow line 10 men and a burger the venturi tube bayou scum swamp rats kill rick volume 5