Who's your #2 QB?

CharityMike · 08-31-2015, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

We'll see who lands the job. But I suspect it's more complicated than just the ol' "eyeball test."

McCown looks washed up, but who was it that held the field goals in the Saints NFC Championship and Super Bowl? A washed up grizzled 40 year old QB named Mark Brunell. We know Brees likes McCown, seems to get along well with him. Chemistry in the clipboard/baseball cap area of the field, is important. Payton likes young guys, but in the past he's also leaned towards veteran QBs with shaky knees and sharp eyes; he likes to have experienced guys in that conversation on the sidelines, during time outs, almost like an extra coach looking at Polaroids on the bench with the team.

McCown gave up the clumsy fumble but then he also kinda sorta made up for it on the 2 minute drive that resulted in the 53 yarder. He had another 2 minute drive that looked really good last week.

The eyeballs say "anybody but McCown," but knowing Payton and Brees, I would not be at all surprised if McCown ultimately makes it and survives another year. Do not want to ever see McCown on Sunday, though. Unless the division is clinched and we are resting.

I agree. I think coach will stay with the vet but my vote would be RG. I rather take the upside than an old journeyman.

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Rugby Saint II · 08-31-2015, 02:10 PM

McCown has the least value to us but the most value to another team. Grayson is the future and won't make it to the PS. Griffin has all the potential but we don't know what his ceiling is......we know McCowns ceiling and it's not much more than a game manager. I hope we keep Griffin and Grayson.

ScottF · 08-31-2015, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

McCown has the least value to us but the most value to another team. Grayson is the future and won't make it to the PS. Griffin has all the potential but we don't know what his ceiling is......we know McCowns ceiling and it's not much more than a game manager. I hope we keep Griffin and Grayson.

see, I disagree: McCown's value is he knows our system, presumably has a good relationship with Brees, etc. He doesn't offer much to anyone else.
He certainly wouldn't start elsewhere (or he would have tested that market) and how much does he offer as a backup? Not real dynamic, no great history, and nothing for the future.
Perspective: he has thrown for 2000 yards...in his career

saintfan · 08-31-2015, 05:05 PM

Griffin is II. Grayson is III. McCown is somewhere else doing something else.

44Champs · 08-31-2015, 05:11 PM

McCown would be great if the receivers could wear orange cones and if he didn't have to face a pass rush.

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Cruize · 08-31-2015, 05:30 PM

Griffin. Which mean Payton will choose McNown.

halloween 65 · 08-31-2015, 05:33 PM

I like Griffin.

RailBoss · 09-01-2015, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Does it matter? Brees goes down and we are screwed.

And here lies my/our biggest fear!

MatthewT · 09-01-2015, 07:51 AM

Tough call for me, my thought process usually would center around Brees not being available, who would be the best fit for a few games. IMO that is probably McCown. As for upside, I agree with everyone that guy is Griffin. In a post from several months ago, I predicted Grayson would wind up on IR this year, that could still hold true. I still believe either Griffin or Grayson may wind up on IR after one of them gets a case of stomach cramps or breaks a fingernail.

AllSaints · 09-01-2015, 09:15 AM

I don't see Payton cutting McCown.... He hasn't looked great this preseason but that's Payton's guy n always talks highly of him n interviews

08-31-2015, 12:15 PM	#11
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Who's your #2 QB? Originally Posted by SaintsBro We'll see who lands the job. But I suspect it's more complicated than just the ol' "eyeball test." McCown looks washed up, but who was it that held the field goals in the Saints NFC Championship and Super Bowl? A washed up grizzled 40 year old QB named Mark Brunell. We know Brees likes McCown, seems to get along well with him. Chemistry in the clipboard/baseball cap area of the field, is important. Payton likes young guys, but in the past he's also leaned towards veteran QBs with shaky knees and sharp eyes; he likes to have experienced guys in that conversation on the sidelines, during time outs, almost like an extra coach looking at Polaroids on the bench with the team. McCown gave up the clumsy fumble but then he also kinda sorta made up for it on the 2 minute drive that resulted in the 53 yarder. He had another 2 minute drive that looked really good last week. The eyeballs say "anybody but McCown," but knowing Payton and Brees, I would not be at all surprised if McCown ultimately makes it and survives another year. Do not want to ever see McCown on Sunday, though. Unless the division is clinched and we are resting. I agree. I think coach will stay with the vet but my vote would be RG. I rather take the upside than an old journeyman. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Who's your #2 QB? McCown has the least value to us but the most value to another team. Grayson is the future and won't make it to the PS. Griffin has all the potential but we don't know what his ceiling is......we know McCowns ceiling and it's not much more than a game manager. I hope we keep Griffin and Grayson. saintfan likes this.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who's your #2 QB? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II McCown has the least value to us but the most value to another team. Grayson is the future and won't make it to the PS. Griffin has all the potential but we don't know what his ceiling is......we know McCowns ceiling and it's not much more than a game manager. I hope we keep Griffin and Grayson. see, I disagree: McCown's value is he knows our system, presumably has a good relationship with Brees, etc. He doesn't offer much to anyone else. He certainly wouldn't start elsewhere (or he would have tested that market) and how much does he offer as a backup? Not real dynamic, no great history, and nothing for the future. Perspective: he has thrown for 2000 yards...in his career

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