Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 666878)

We he first arrived in New Orleans I recall hearing or reading where he said he had a 5 year plan. We over-achieved from the beginning and won it all in 3 years.

Did we catch lightning in a bottle, or was it really all about Sean's influence (with a healthy assist from Loomie)?

If you ask me, we're in year two of the second cycle, if you get what I mean. The crazy-over-the-top one year suspension effed things up considerably, not to mention the draft picks, so that's kinda why I see it as year 2 of Sean's second 'master plan'.

Hot seat? I don't think Sean is on or anywhere near the hot seat. I think when he ever does leave New Orleans it will be on his own terms or at worst a mutual agreement to part ways.

He's not old, out of style or out of touch with 'today's' players. He remains one of the top offensive coaches. He has been dealt a hand that he didn't deserve, kept his mouth shut, came back with his head held high and got back to business, but hampered considerably relative to the 31 other HCs.

We whiffed on last year's draft but it sure looks like we scored this year. If we're two years in to the second five year plan we're in very good shape if you ask me.

Now, I'd love to see us win a Super Bowl with Rob Ryan cause he'd be fun to watch, but I question whether we will. Rob's seat is en fuego. Sean's? Not even lukewarm.

Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 669276)

Hate to say I told ya so but

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 669281)

The Browner signing is ridiculous, the guy is terrible

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 669320)

Lot's of people could see the potential for this team to go either way. But your question in this thread was how hot is Payton's seat. I know I said somewhere in here that it SHOULD be hot if this season goes awry, but history has told us that Payton is pretty much invincible under Benson.

I would imagine there is a limit, somewhere in Benson's mind, but I'm not sure what it would take. More than likely, Payton will only leave on his own terms. Watching this team right now, my mood is moving from critical the past couple seasons to being pretty sick of this crap Payton/Loomis.

I got in some pretty intense arguments about this since last year with some people, when it shouldn't have been an issue. But some people just wanted to live on the SB win forever, and couldn't listen to any dissenting opinion. Those people know who they are.

It's not fun to talk about this stuff, but it is what it is and you can either accept it or lie to yourself. What I hate is people saying we're not real fans when we speak critically. If being a "real" fan means being a fake person, then people can have their superfan awards. I don't need any of that crap.