How Hot is Sean Payton seat as Head coach

saintshrimp · 09-09-2015, 02:58 PM

Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me

The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with

The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up

WhoDat!656 · 09-09-2015, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me

The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with

The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up

If there had been any substance to the Vicodin scandal, Komisar Goodell would have been on Payton like ants on a fish head!

We all know Bountygate was BS!

You can't lay the contract deals at Payton's feet!

Saints got rid of Mora because he had a good enough team to at least GET to a Super Bowl, if not win one! If he had opened the playbook a little bit the Saints would have challenged the 40-whiners.

As good as Brees is I doubt he would have been as successful if he had played in Mora's time.

AsylumGuido · 09-09-2015, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me

The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with

The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up

I call bullcrap on all of that. At no point in the history of the franchise has it ever been as relevant. As for the number of players in trouble with the law, the Saints are in the near the bottom in the entire league in that number. You are obviously looking at that component of your weak argument in a vacuum.

And the supposed Vicodin "scandal" was addressed by Coach Vitt serving a pre-trial diversion. He admitted his guilt and served his time. And the "bountygate scandal" was total bull**** and was pointed out as such by Paul Tagliabue when he vacated ALL suspensions of the players due to no proof that any bounty program actually existed. Unfortunately, Payton didn't have the same opportunity because of the lack of a coach's union.

And, no, you didn't screw up the thread with the poll failure, you screwed it up with your entire pretense.

Sean Payton is the best thing that ever happened to the Saints (and that includes bress) and only an idiot would wish him gone.

burningmetal · 09-09-2015, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me

The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with

The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up

Actually, Jim Mora quit. He may well have been fired after the season, but he didn't want to deal with it anymore. Which is the reason I'm not one of these Mora apologists who say what a great coach he was, and, "if only he had an offense".

I do think that Payton is underachieving in recent years and would absolutely be on the hot seat if it weren't for the fact that we're the Saints, and he won a superbowl. He gets way too much of a pass because of it.

I'm not calling for his firing, and I've said that repeatedly. But I find it nauseating how much butt kissing goes on when his name is mentioned. Nobody else in the real world gets to live off of a past accomplishment. You have to actually keep something going. The talent has been there, and you gotta expect a little more. Is that being spoiled? There are a couple people around here riding giant horses who would say so, but those kind of people are more concerned with feeling superior than they are about examining the heart of the matter.

We've been to the playoffs here and there, but as the core of that superbowl team has aged and moved on, the roster has not been turned over very successfully. That falls on Sean and Mickey.

09-09-2015, 02:58 PM	#1
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: How Hot is Sean Payton seat as Head coach Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up foreverfan and AlaskaSaints like this.

09-09-2015, 03:50 PM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,092	Re: How Hot is Sean Payton seat as Head coach Originally Posted by saintshrimp Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up If there had been any substance to the Vicodin scandal, Komisar Goodell would have been on Payton like ants on a fish head! We all know Bountygate was BS! You can't lay the contract deals at Payton's feet! Saints got rid of Mora because he had a good enough team to at least GET to a Super Bowl, if not win one! If he had opened the playbook a little bit the Saints would have challenged the 40-whiners. As good as Brees is I doubt he would have been as successful if he had played in Mora's time.
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09-09-2015, 04:00 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: How Hot is Sean Payton seat as Head coach Originally Posted by saintshrimp Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up I call bullcrap on all of that. At no point in the history of the franchise has it ever been as relevant. As for the number of players in trouble with the law, the Saints are in the near the bottom in the entire league in that number. You are obviously looking at that component of your weak argument in a vacuum. And the supposed Vicodin "scandal" was addressed by Coach Vitt serving a pre-trial diversion. He admitted his guilt and served his time. And the "bountygate scandal" was total bull**** and was pointed out as such by Paul Tagliabue when he vacated ALL suspensions of the players due to no proof that any bounty program actually existed. Unfortunately, Payton didn't have the same opportunity because of the lack of a coach's union. And, no, you didn't screw up the thread with the poll failure, you screwed it up with your entire pretense. Sean Payton is the best thing that ever happened to the Saints (and that includes bress) and only an idiot would wish him gone. Boutte and WhoDat!656 like this.

09-09-2015, 10:40 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: How Hot is Sean Payton seat as Head coach Originally Posted by saintshrimp Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up Actually, Jim Mora quit. He may well have been fired after the season, but he didn't want to deal with it anymore. Which is the reason I'm not one of these Mora apologists who say what a great coach he was, and, "if only he had an offense". I do think that Payton is underachieving in recent years and would absolutely be on the hot seat if it weren't for the fact that we're the Saints, and he won a superbowl. He gets way too much of a pass because of it. I'm not calling for his firing, and I've said that repeatedly. But I find it nauseating how much butt kissing goes on when his name is mentioned. Nobody else in the real world gets to live off of a past accomplishment. You have to actually keep something going. The talent has been there, and you gotta expect a little more. Is that being spoiled? There are a couple people around here riding giant horses who would say so, but those kind of people are more concerned with feeling superior than they are about examining the heart of the matter. We've been to the playoffs here and there, but as the core of that superbowl team has aged and moved on, the roster has not been turned over very successfully. That falls on Sean and Mickey.
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