Brooks for Brees?
 

Anyone? San D. can not wanna pay all that money to Brees and Rivers, and Rivers has sat a year so he knows the system. If it is about having two starting NFL QBs, then Brooks can fill that role for them and we could get a younger, better Brees. He could be a long term answer and would show a definite commitment by the team to improve. If we have to add Pathon or someone, so be it. Or maybe Brooks and Howard for Brees and their second number one. Not that would be phenomenal. What thinks yous guys?

Brooks for Brees?
 

I\'d do it-but I don\'t think san diego would.

Brooks for Brees?
 

Howard for Brees (with some give and take) is more probable. If SD doesn\'t want to pay Brees and Rivers, why would they want to pay Brooks and Rivers?

While I would love to get Brees, you\'ve got wonder whether SD would part with a known asset (Brees) and go with an unknown (Rivers).

Brooks for Brees?
 

You think San Diego is convinced that Rivers can outplay Brees? They can slap the fraschise tag on Brees this year and they have the cap space to do it.

Then I\'m not so sure they think Brees can have another season like this past year.

I thought you were all in favor of stock-piling QBs?

What if the Chargers shipped Brees to us and Rivers failed. I think if you were a Chargers fans you\'d be screaming to the top of your lungs and tell us how stupid the Chargers were.

I like Brees. I think he\'s got a lot of potential. Am I convinced he\'d be a winner in NOLA? Not at all. But, some competetion sure would be nice...

[Edited on 9/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Brooks for Brees?
 

sounds good but the more i have read the more i think no way for sd. they are probably in the best shape of any team situationally: just won their division, have 22mil in cap space so they can afford two spendy qbs, also they have 2 first round picks on the board. i think they franchise brees, pay him app 9mil and see if he has indeed matured and become the real deal. if yes, they keep on winning and trade rivers next year to a team wanting a young stud to start over with. if no, they let rivers take the helm and let brees float away next year. if i was sd king i would get rid of rivers now to a sf, arz, etc that wanted him for a first just to get rid of his cap number. then sd would have 3 first round picks and 25-30 mil in cap room!. they could trade 1 of them for a pressing need- a pass rusher like howard. combine the other two picks to get braylon edwards (and a low rd) to team with gates and mccardell. or 2 firsts for randy moss if they were ready to deal with him. (i doubt schottenheimer would) they would be quite a team to deal with then in \'05. should be no matter what if brees doesnt roll over n die.

Brooks for Brees?
 

Scotty, cause Brooks makes less than a franchised Brees would. About 3 or more less. That\'s why. I just asked if anyone liked the thought though, not whether San D. is dumb enough to fall for it.

Gumbo, where have I ever said I wanted to stockpile Qbs? Huh? You must have me confused. I said I wanted to get rid of AB, I don\'t know how you could ever forget that. ;) Also, the situation is similar to the Brngals. Kitna went 8-8 and had a phenomenal year. But Palmer was there and he took over the following year cause they really had no other choice. They drafted him to be the guy, and he played well. And Kitna makes nowhere near as much as Brees would, although San D. does have the room to afford it, why would they wanna?

LKelley, I am aware of their cap situation, but just cause a team has the money doesn\'t mean they wanna spend it like that. HArdly any team outside of Washington spends to the limits of their cap yearly. It\'s just not plausible. So while they have the money, they may not wanna devote that much to one position, and they may be comfortable with Rivers. This whole we are keeping Brees thing could be a ploy to drive up the asking price. Just a thought.

Brooks for Brees?
 

LMAO!!

Nah, I don\'t have YOU confused. But, YOU are very confusing!!

Wasn\'t it YOU who criticised Haslett for getting rid of Delhomme?

Arent YOU the one who said Haslett needed to do like the 49er\'s and keep a lot of good QBs on the roster like Joe Montana and Steve Young. You know .... stockpile QBs!!

Now you think the Chargers should do something completely different than what you preached yesterday?

Boy, am I confused. Well, I\'m not confused. But someone is....... ;)

Brooks for Brees?
 

here\'s a question-would you trade our first rounder for brees?

personally I\'d love to swap howard for brees straight up..maybe throwing in a later pick.

the trade brooks/pathon to someone like the cowboys or cleveland.

Brooks for Brees?
 

Instead of annointing Brees as the \"savior\". Let\'s examine Brees a little closer ... shall we?

Brees has been a starter for 3 years. So, we\'ve got something to go on:

Brees first year: Yards:3284/ TD:17/Int:16/Rating: 76.9
Not too bad.

Bress second year:Yards:2108/TD:11/Int:15/Rating: 67.5
He had a terrible year and the Chargers were about ready to give up on him and drafted Phillip Rivers.

Bress third year: Yards:3159/TD:27/Int:7/ Rating: 104.8
Had a very good year. The main thing he did was improve his TD to Int ratio.

But is that TD/Int. ratio going to continue? We all know how that can go!!

And let\'s not forget these facts:

1. San Diego had the 3rd ranked rush defense. What\'s ours?
2. Most of the production in San Diego\'s passing game came from the TE (Antonio Gates) position. Not the wide receivers. Antonio Gates accounted for 934 yds and and almost half (13TDs) of Brees\' 27TDs. Think Boo Williams is capable of that?
3. LaDainian Tomlinson rushed for 1335 yards and a WHOPPING 17 TDs. And Tomlinson caught 53 passes for 441 yards and 1 TD.
4. The Chargers offensive line was very good.

You put Brees behind our offensive line. Give him Boo Williams instead of Antonio Gates and take away all those TDs that Tomlinson made. And give Brees our defense ... and how many more wins to we get with Brees? Hmmmmm.... Tell me guys?

Brooks for Brees?
 

Wait, now I know NEVER again to listen to you, ever Gumbo. holy crap. You took TWO SEPERATE arguments and made them into one WAY WRONG OBSERVATION. In the Pats thread, I said teams cannot stockpile QBs like Montana and Young these days cause of the cap. IN ANOTHER THREAD, I said Jake Delhomme was run out of town without a chance to compete. OH MY GOD!!! I was so shocked when I read that I have come to realize that either A) you do not listen to people when they disagree with you but make your own assumptions B) you like to make outrageous assumptions based on pieces of what people say just to piss them off or C) you just really have no clue. I went against my better judgment after Halo e-mailed me and started responding to you again but that was so off I won\'t even waste my time any more. Please for good this time, do not respond to me again. Or if you do, don\'t expect a response back. For me, that was just too unreal and I see why spk went off. That ain\'t gonna be me though.

Brooks for Brees?
 

Here was your arguement as to why Delhomme and Jeff Blake shouldn\'t have been let go.

Show me where you EVER said teams can\'t stock-pile QBs because of the cap?

That was ME who said that:
I\'ll be waiting!!!!!!!!!!

Brooks for Brees?
 

From the Pats thread,

Again, please don\'t respond to me anymore, especially if the best you can do is take pieces of arguments from different threads and throw together some crap assumption, and then try to tie them together. I WILL PUT THIS IN CAPS, MAKE IT BOLD, AND UNDERLINE IT, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO ME ANY MORE. I HAVE NO TIME FOR THIS BECAUSE ALL YOU SEEM TO BE ABLE TO DO IS MAKE CRAP UP AND TRY TO PISS PEOPLE OFF BY UNDER-MINING THEIR OPINIONS. IF ANY OF THE MODS CAN MAKE THIS FLASH SO GUMBO GETS WHAT I AM SAYING, PLEASE HELP.

Brooks for Brees?
 

not to dicker too much on the point, but i believe most teams do maximize their cap spending. 16 teams are already facing cuts to get under it with the titans on the high end at +26mil. last season at july 15 the saints were further below the cap than any other team (http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayt...n/1510617.html). without calculating it looks like most teams were 3-4mil under after their big cuts.. that is 8mil left on the table n.o. could have bid harder on antoine winfield, hartwell, or ian gold. anyhoo, the bolts are in perfect position to keep both imo. also i cant imagine brooks being schottenheimer\'s choice to lead them over brees.

the best fits for ab i think are, in no particular order-
clev- dump garcia, crennel uses #1 for derrick johnson
gb- from whence he came, works as favre heir, even better if he retires before next season
dal- perfect fit but can you see imagine parcells choosing leon as his main man? laughable
sf- his daddy mc could sell nolan on him. neither rodgers or smith look like true #1 overall picks.
arz- green likes to load up on offense. it owuld be my fave place to see him end up ;)

gumbo, it aint annointing. plenty of folks would simpl;y rather try a different poison than the 50+ fumbles in the last four years guy.

Brooks for Brees?
 

Gumbo, Brees stats aren\'t all that important. I mean, they\'re in the back of my mind, but what is important to me is the overall impression I have gotten from him. I think he\'s going to be a good QB. When looking at his stats and things you point out, all I see is that he is capable of winning.

I\'m not trying to compare him to Brooks or anything. My problem with AB is the same as with Haslet...that is, they\'ve both had time to get things done and haven\'t done it. Now, we know we are stuck with Haslet another year. That doesn\'t mean we are stuck with AB and, thus, there\'s nothing wrong with talking up Brees as a replacement.

I like the thought of trading Howard and a 3rd or 4th to SD for Brees. They were drafted in similar spots and have both had good careers. Howard\'s downside is that he\'s been injury prone. Brees is worth more cuz he\'s a QB. It might take more than a 3rd pick. I don\'t know.

I\'m not annointing Bress the second coming of Archie. I just think it\'s a very interesting scenario to look at.

Brooks for Brees?
 

Whodi, all I can say about your problem with Gumbo is take it upon yourself to ignore him if that\'s what you want. He has every right to post about whatever he wishes, whether you agree with it or like it or whatever.

If you post something and he responds to you about it, it is up to you to ignore it if you prefer. From what I\'ve seen you just can\'t help but to respond to him and that\'s not his fault.

Brooks for Brees?
 

Okay, so, in one thread you say the Saints should have kept Bulger and Delhomme. And I tell you teams can\'t stock-pile QBs and you tell me that the 49\'ers did it with Young and Montana.

Then in another thread you say:

.

Which one do you believe? You said 2 different things in two different threads. I was going by what you told me in the thread where we were discussing keeping a bunch of QBs.

I can\'t read everything you post.

I\'ve shown you where you said the exact opposite on the same subject.

Now, I ain\'t the smartest guy in the world, but you confuse me at times with whatever it is you\'re saying.

I\'ve been very civil with you and I haven\'t stretched anything you\'ve said.

It\'s cool........ I won\'t respond to you if you\'re going to act like that. Peace... :P

[Edited on 9/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Brooks for Brees?
 

Scotty --

I understand what you\'re saying.

But, I just don\'t know if I\'m sold on Brees.

And I\'m not so sure Brees could do as well in our offense.

Our offense is based on production from the WRs.

Brees and the passing game went through the TE. And through the running back. The WRs in San Diego were only a small part of the passing game.

The question in my mind is how effective Brees would do without a superstar TE and less production from the running game. And Tomlinson is more productive than Deuce. Or to this point he has been...

Brooks for Brees?
 

Pot meet kettle.

The Art of debate, 2/1/2005. GumboBC.

Brooks for Brees?
 

saintwhodi --

Look, this isn\'t as personal for me as it seems to be for you. This board is about agreeing and disagreeing. If you post something I agree with, I\'ll be the first one to agree with you. If you post something I disagree with, then I\'ll disagree with it and tell you why.

You have turned this in to something that has nothing to do with agreeing or diagreeing about football.

I don\'t wish to carry on our personal likes or dislikes about each other.

You\'re right, we should not respond to each other. We tried to work it out and it didn\'t work. That\'s the way it goes sometimes, I suppose. Happy posting. :clap:

Brooks for Brees?
 

i was gonna say the same as scotty gumbo but i know you like to use stats. in beisbol you can do that somewhat. but you propose the this qb or that, with this rb or this running defense or that group of lineman propositions ad nauseum. football is a team game which statistics only reflect a portion of what the team performance is. the hallmark of the first dynasty of the cap era, the pats is performance beyond stats. with no statistical examination i would bet they havent led the league in offense or defense the last 4 years. it is the teamwork and contributions from all corners as needed which sets them apart. a successful nfl team needs that more than ever before with the cap. i think you make some interesting posts dewd. i\'m all for examing stats as an aspect of analysis but it can often be quite distant from football realities. i\'m just saying the statistical extrapolations are usually stretched a little far for my little noggin. keep on shining tho bro.

Brooks for Brees?
 

LKelley67

It\'s all good. But, I only used stats as part of my evaluation for Brees.

I also pointed out why I felt Brees had his ONLY productive year:

The main thing I wanted to point out is how vastly differnt the Saints and Chargers offense is.

In San Diego, the passing comes from the TE and running back primarily.


The Saints offenses stretches the field with their speedy WRs. Can Brees adapt to that? Maybe. Maybe not. He hasn\'t proven he can.

[Edited on 9/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Brooks for Brees?
 

you know-i\'m not one to go with trends..but I like the use of the TE in alot of offenses. I think that is a valuable weapon.

Brooks for Brees?
 

You two need seperate and go to opposite corners. I can hear the blood boiling from where I am sitting.
If I catch either one of you taunting each other, via post, I\'ll wipe the boards wit yah, capeesh? ;)

Brooks for Brees?
 

at least one more that we needed to get into the playoffs with...

Brees\' Heart > Brooks\' heart that is the only stat i care about...

Brooks for Brees?
 

Gumbo,

I think in college Brees was in a system which utilized wide receivers more. In his college career he had 88 tds to 42 ints. That\'s a pretty good number.

And I don\'t think he\'s had much of a choice to use the TE, as the WR position hasn\'t exactly been filled with stars in San Diego.

Keep in mind that I\'m not for or against Brees coming here, just wanted to say that if he did he might be able to have some success.

Brooks for Brees?
 

S.D has confirmed that they will keep both Rivers and Brees and have no plans to trade them....

Brooks for Brees?
 

Hell I don\'t agree with Gumbo all the time and I know he doesn\'t agree with me all the time, that\'s interesting to me, if we all agreed on everything here I wouldn\'t come because it would be boring to me.
If I don\'t agree with someone I comment on no matter how bad I disagree with that person to try and make a point with that person and we\'ll go back and forth until one of us get tired with it....
Cool site here, no matter how much we agree we\'re all fellow Saint fans...(tissue please)
Gumbo..I don\'t agree with the user name you chose, don\'t you think that you would be better off with another name? :)

Brooks for Brees?
 

I could have come up with another one...

In fact, I have had other names... but that a long story.. ;)

Brooks for Brees?
 

Me thinks this would be wonderful, although I don\'t see it happening...this would be an indication that winning is just as important as making money. It would also be admitting that someone made a mistake in judgement. There certainly isn\'t any harm in dreaming, though.

Brooks for Brees?
 

This comment was not directed at Saint_LB. Rather there are some members who can make a good post into a personal conversation about themselves which is something that no one wants to read anymore. Those who have a PM know who you are, everyone else, esp. Saint_LB, our sincerest apologies.

[Edited on 2/10/2005 by Halo]