Brooks for Brees?

saintswhodi · 02-09-2005, 11:27 AM

Anyone? San D. can not wanna pay all that money to Brees and Rivers, and Rivers has sat a year so he knows the system. If it is about having two starting NFL QBs, then Brooks can fill that role for them and we could get a younger, better Brees. He could be a long term answer and would show a definite commitment by the team to improve. If we have to add Pathon or someone, so be it. Or maybe Brooks and Howard for Brees and their second number one. Not that would be phenomenal. What thinks yous guys?

baronm · 02-09-2005, 11:30 AM

I\'d do it-but I don\'t think san diego would.

ScottyRo · 02-09-2005, 11:45 AM

Howard for Brees (with some give and take) is more probable. If SD doesn\'t want to pay Brees and Rivers, why would they want to pay Brooks and Rivers?

While I would love to get Brees, you\'ve got wonder whether SD would part with a known asset (Brees) and go with an unknown (Rivers).

GumboBC · 02-09-2005, 12:01 PM

Anyone? San D. can not wanna pay all that money to Brees and Rivers, and Rivers has sat a year so he knows the system. If it is about having two starting NFL QBs, then Brooks can fill that role for them and we could get a younger, better Brees. He could be a long term answer and would show a definite commitment by the team to improve. If we have to add Pathon or someone, so be it. Or maybe Brooks and Howard for Brees and their second number one. Not that would be phenomenal. What thinks yous guys?

You think San Diego is convinced that Rivers can outplay Brees? They can slap the fraschise tag on Brees this year and they have the cap space to do it.

Then I\'m not so sure they think Brees can have another season like this past year.

I thought you were all in favor of stock-piling QBs?

What if the Chargers shipped Brees to us and Rivers failed. I think if you were a Chargers fans you\'d be screaming to the top of your lungs and tell us how stupid the Chargers were.

I like Brees. I think he\'s got a lot of potential. Am I convinced he\'d be a winner in NOLA? Not at all. But, some competetion sure would be nice...

[Edited on 9/2/2005 by GumboBC]

LKelley67 · 02-09-2005, 12:14 PM

sounds good but the more i have read the more i think no way for sd. they are probably in the best shape of any team situationally: just won their division, have 22mil in cap space so they can afford two spendy qbs, also they have 2 first round picks on the board. i think they franchise brees, pay him app 9mil and see if he has indeed matured and become the real deal. if yes, they keep on winning and trade rivers next year to a team wanting a young stud to start over with. if no, they let rivers take the helm and let brees float away next year. if i was sd king i would get rid of rivers now to a sf, arz, etc that wanted him for a first just to get rid of his cap number. then sd would have 3 first round picks and 25-30 mil in cap room!. they could trade 1 of them for a pressing need- a pass rusher like howard. combine the other two picks to get braylon edwards (and a low rd) to team with gates and mccardell. or 2 firsts for randy moss if they were ready to deal with him. (i doubt schottenheimer would) they would be quite a team to deal with then in \'05. should be no matter what if brees doesnt roll over n die.

saintswhodi · 02-09-2005, 12:23 PM

Scotty, cause Brooks makes less than a franchised Brees would. About 3 or more less. That\'s why. I just asked if anyone liked the thought though, not whether San D. is dumb enough to fall for it.

Gumbo, where have I ever said I wanted to stockpile Qbs? Huh? You must have me confused. I said I wanted to get rid of AB, I don\'t know how you could ever forget that.

Also, the situation is similar to the Brngals. Kitna went 8-8 and had a phenomenal year. But Palmer was there and he took over the following year cause they really had no other choice. They drafted him to be the guy, and he played well. And Kitna makes nowhere near as much as Brees would, although San D. does have the room to afford it, why would they wanna?

LKelley, I am aware of their cap situation, but just cause a team has the money doesn\'t mean they wanna spend it like that. HArdly any team outside of Washington spends to the limits of their cap yearly. It\'s just not plausible. So while they have the money, they may not wanna devote that much to one position, and they may be comfortable with Rivers. This whole we are keeping Brees thing could be a ploy to drive up the asking price. Just a thought.

GumboBC · 02-09-2005, 12:33 PM

Gumbo, where have I ever said I wanted to stockpile Qbs? Huh? You must have me confused.

LMAO!!

Nah, I don\'t have YOU confused. But, YOU are very confusing!!

Wasn\'t it YOU who criticised Haslett for getting rid of Delhomme?

Arent YOU the one who said Haslett needed to do like the 49er\'s and keep a lot of good QBs on the roster like Joe Montana and Steve Young. You know .... stockpile QBs!!

Now you think the Chargers should do something completely different than what you preached yesterday?

Boy, am I confused. Well, I\'m not confused. But someone is.......

baronm · 02-09-2005, 12:45 PM

here\'s a question-would you trade our first rounder for brees?

personally I\'d love to swap howard for brees straight up..maybe throwing in a later pick.

the trade brooks/pathon to someone like the cowboys or cleveland.

GumboBC · 02-09-2005, 01:10 PM

Instead of annointing Brees as the \"savior\". Let\'s examine Brees a little closer ... shall we?

Brees has been a starter for 3 years. So, we\'ve got something to go on:

Brees first year: Yards:3284/ TD:17/Int:16/Rating: 76.9
Not too bad.

Bress second year:Yards:2108/TD:11/Int:15/Rating: 67.5
He had a terrible year and the Chargers were about ready to give up on him and drafted Phillip Rivers.

Bress third year: Yards:3159/TD:27/Int:7/ Rating: 104.8
Had a very good year. The main thing he did was improve his TD to Int ratio.

But is that TD/Int. ratio going to continue? We all know how that can go!!

And let\'s not forget these facts:

1. San Diego had the 3rd ranked rush defense. What\'s ours?
2. Most of the production in San Diego\'s passing game came from the TE (Antonio Gates) position. Not the wide receivers. Antonio Gates accounted for 934 yds and and almost half (13TDs) of Brees\' 27TDs. Think Boo Williams is capable of that?
3. LaDainian Tomlinson rushed for 1335 yards and a WHOPPING 17 TDs. And Tomlinson caught 53 passes for 441 yards and 1 TD.
4. The Chargers offensive line was very good.

You put Brees behind our offensive line. Give him Boo Williams instead of Antonio Gates and take away all those TDs that Tomlinson made. And give Brees our defense ... and how many more wins to we get with Brees? Hmmmmm.... Tell me guys?

saintswhodi · 02-09-2005, 01:47 PM

Wait, now I know NEVER again to listen to you, ever Gumbo. holy crap. You took TWO SEPERATE arguments and made them into one WAY WRONG OBSERVATION. In the Pats thread, I said teams cannot stockpile QBs like Montana and Young these days cause of the cap. IN ANOTHER THREAD, I said Jake Delhomme was run out of town without a chance to compete. OH MY GOD!!! I was so shocked when I read that I have come to realize that either A) you do not listen to people when they disagree with you but make your own assumptions B) you like to make outrageous assumptions based on pieces of what people say just to piss them off or C) you just really have no clue. I went against my better judgment after Halo e-mailed me and started responding to you again but that was so off I won\'t even waste my time any more. Please for good this time, do not respond to me again. Or if you do, don\'t expect a response back. For me, that was just too unreal and I see why spk went off. That ain\'t gonna be me though.

02-09-2005, 11:27 AM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Brooks for Brees? Anyone? San D. can not wanna pay all that money to Brees and Rivers, and Rivers has sat a year so he knows the system. If it is about having two starting NFL QBs, then Brooks can fill that role for them and we could get a younger, better Brees. He could be a long term answer and would show a definite commitment by the team to improve. If we have to add Pathon or someone, so be it. Or maybe Brooks and Howard for Brees and their second number one. Not that would be phenomenal. What thinks yous guys?

02-09-2005, 11:30 AM	#2
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Brooks for Brees? I\'d do it-but I don\'t think san diego would.
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02-09-2005, 11:45 AM	#3
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Brooks for Brees? Howard for Brees (with some give and take) is more probable. If SD doesn\'t want to pay Brees and Rivers, why would they want to pay Brooks and Rivers? While I would love to get Brees, you\'ve got wonder whether SD would part with a known asset (Brees) and go with an unknown (Rivers).

02-09-2005, 12:01 PM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks for Brees? Anyone? San D. can not wanna pay all that money to Brees and Rivers, and Rivers has sat a year so he knows the system. If it is about having two starting NFL QBs, then Brooks can fill that role for them and we could get a younger, better Brees. He could be a long term answer and would show a definite commitment by the team to improve. If we have to add Pathon or someone, so be it. Or maybe Brooks and Howard for Brees and their second number one. Not that would be phenomenal. What thinks yous guys? You think San Diego is convinced that Rivers can outplay Brees? They can slap the fraschise tag on Brees this year and they have the cap space to do it. Then I\'m not so sure they think Brees can have another season like this past year. I thought you were all in favor of stock-piling QBs? What if the Chargers shipped Brees to us and Rivers failed. I think if you were a Chargers fans you\'d be screaming to the top of your lungs and tell us how stupid the Chargers were. I like Brees. I think he\'s got a lot of potential. Am I convinced he\'d be a winner in NOLA? Not at all. But, some competetion sure would be nice... [Edited on 9/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-09-2005, 12:14 PM	#5
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Brooks for Brees? sounds good but the more i have read the more i think no way for sd. they are probably in the best shape of any team situationally: just won their division, have 22mil in cap space so they can afford two spendy qbs, also they have 2 first round picks on the board. i think they franchise brees, pay him app 9mil and see if he has indeed matured and become the real deal. if yes, they keep on winning and trade rivers next year to a team wanting a young stud to start over with. if no, they let rivers take the helm and let brees float away next year. if i was sd king i would get rid of rivers now to a sf, arz, etc that wanted him for a first just to get rid of his cap number. then sd would have 3 first round picks and 25-30 mil in cap room!. they could trade 1 of them for a pressing need- a pass rusher like howard. combine the other two picks to get braylon edwards (and a low rd) to team with gates and mccardell. or 2 firsts for randy moss if they were ready to deal with him. (i doubt schottenheimer would) they would be quite a team to deal with then in \'05. should be no matter what if brees doesnt roll over n die.

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02-09-2005, 12:23 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Brooks for Brees? Scotty, cause Brooks makes less than a franchised Brees would. About 3 or more less. That\'s why. I just asked if anyone liked the thought though, not whether San D. is dumb enough to fall for it. Gumbo, where have I ever said I wanted to stockpile Qbs? Huh? You must have me confused. I said I wanted to get rid of AB, I don\'t know how you could ever forget that. Also, the situation is similar to the Brngals. Kitna went 8-8 and had a phenomenal year. But Palmer was there and he took over the following year cause they really had no other choice. They drafted him to be the guy, and he played well. And Kitna makes nowhere near as much as Brees would, although San D. does have the room to afford it, why would they wanna? LKelley, I am aware of their cap situation, but just cause a team has the money doesn\'t mean they wanna spend it like that. HArdly any team outside of Washington spends to the limits of their cap yearly. It\'s just not plausible. So while they have the money, they may not wanna devote that much to one position, and they may be comfortable with Rivers. This whole we are keeping Brees thing could be a ploy to drive up the asking price. Just a thought.

02-09-2005, 12:33 PM	#7
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks for Brees? Gumbo, where have I ever said I wanted to stockpile Qbs? Huh? You must have me confused. LMAO!! Nah, I don\'t have YOU confused. But, YOU are very confusing!! Wasn\'t it YOU who criticised Haslett for getting rid of Delhomme? Arent YOU the one who said Haslett needed to do like the 49er\'s and keep a lot of good QBs on the roster like Joe Montana and Steve Young. You know .... stockpile QBs!! Now you think the Chargers should do something completely different than what you preached yesterday? Boy, am I confused. Well, I\'m not confused. But someone is.......
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02-09-2005, 12:45 PM	#8
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Brooks for Brees? here\'s a question-would you trade our first rounder for brees? personally I\'d love to swap howard for brees straight up..maybe throwing in a later pick. the trade brooks/pathon to someone like the cowboys or cleveland.
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02-09-2005, 01:10 PM	#9
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks for Brees? Instead of annointing Brees as the \"savior\". Let\'s examine Brees a little closer ... shall we? Brees has been a starter for 3 years. So, we\'ve got something to go on: Brees first year: Yards:3284/ TD:17/Int:16/Rating: 76.9 Not too bad. Bress second year:Yards:2108/TD:11/Int:15/Rating: 67.5 He had a terrible year and the Chargers were about ready to give up on him and drafted Phillip Rivers. Bress third year: Yards:3159/TD:27/Int:7/ Rating: 104.8 Had a very good year. The main thing he did was improve his TD to Int ratio. But is that TD/Int. ratio going to continue? We all know how that can go!! And let\'s not forget these facts: 1. San Diego had the 3rd ranked rush defense. What\'s ours? 2. Most of the production in San Diego\'s passing game came from the TE (Antonio Gates) position. Not the wide receivers. Antonio Gates accounted for 934 yds and and almost half (13TDs) of Brees\' 27TDs. Think Boo Williams is capable of that? 3. LaDainian Tomlinson rushed for 1335 yards and a WHOPPING 17 TDs. And Tomlinson caught 53 passes for 441 yards and 1 TD. 4. The Chargers offensive line was very good. You put Brees behind our offensive line. Give him Boo Williams instead of Antonio Gates and take away all those TDs that Tomlinson made. And give Brees our defense ... and how many more wins to we get with Brees? Hmmmmm.... Tell me guys?
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02-09-2005, 01:47 PM	#10
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Brooks for Brees? Wait, now I know NEVER again to listen to you, ever Gumbo. holy crap. You took TWO SEPERATE arguments and made them into one WAY WRONG OBSERVATION. In the Pats thread, I said teams cannot stockpile QBs like Montana and Young these days cause of the cap. IN ANOTHER THREAD, I said Jake Delhomme was run out of town without a chance to compete. OH MY GOD!!! I was so shocked when I read that I have come to realize that either A) you do not listen to people when they disagree with you but make your own assumptions B) you like to make outrageous assumptions based on pieces of what people say just to piss them off or C) you just really have no clue. I went against my better judgment after Halo e-mailed me and started responding to you again but that was so off I won\'t even waste my time any more. Please for good this time, do not respond to me again. Or if you do, don\'t expect a response back. For me, that was just too unreal and I see why spk went off. That ain\'t gonna be me though.