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And Payton has gained 30 pounds. He obviously is not running marathons or doing cross fit. Maybe the fire is gone.

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How's my hot seat post looking Now?

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Cut Marques Colston

Used to love the guy but he's done, he cannot catch, what good is a WR that drops every pass thrown his way.

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First off let me say how bad Colston looked. I would rather cut him and pick up Jones. He dropped 2 passes on the second to last drive which made them go 4 and out(Payton chose to punt like a freaking retard).
Second, the play calling was horrible. Down by 2 scores and you run 10 yard crossing routes??????????? Granted we played a really good team but this was all on Payton. He chose to run these piss poor plays and keep people like Colston. The defense looked good considering they are down to practice squad players.

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Agreed. Colston time is just about up. He just doesn't have it anymore.
Father time has caught up with him.

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What does the Bronco's QB have to do with the Saints?

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Like you are still an idiot. Why?

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I thought the play-calling was quite good for the first 2 and a half quarters. It was late in the game where we just got too predictable with the screens and the offense went into a where-is-Jimmy mode.

And don't get me started on the chicken-sht punt.

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The punt at the end was just throwing in the towel.
What are you hoping to accomplish by giving away the ball,
needing 6, with only 2 minutes left on the clock.
It was just sad. I wish I could have jumped through the TV.

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That's funny Guido after all these years i still have to look up the spelling of Payton always want to spell it with an "e". Just can't get it through my brain for some reason.

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Yeah that was stupid. What the heck did he see in our defense that made him to believe they could stop the cards? You have a top 4 QB so you take the ball out of his hands and put it in a defense which has 4-5 rookies starting.

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Oh lord, after all the things I've been going on about in these threads I forgot to mention that Punt.... That was the freaking most bone-headed decision I can remember from Payton.

PUNT with the best case scenario (barring a lucky turnover) of getting the ball back at your own twenty, if the punter really screws up, with just under a minute left and no timeouts while needing a touchdown? Really? Is it that important that we stick to the old "don't go for it from that deep in your own territory" school of thought, that we won't go for it even with the game on the line? Just because, mathematically speaking, we could get it back? What's wrong with you Sean?!

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LMMFAO BAHAHAHAHAHA

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LMMFAO

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The case is growing against Payton. I think he has run his course with this team. I love everything Payton has done for us. It's just time to be realistic.

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That is a little excessive. Maybe some of yall are too young to remember every coach we had prior to Payton.

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Payton at his worst is still better than most of our coaches of the past at their best. He just needs to start wanting a Lombardy again, because Im not seeing it.
This was a piss poor coached game. Wasted plays running and screening when he should have went to the pass 1st to open the run. Punt was bad, and red zone plays were auwful.
I also think he cost us 7pts by calling a time out when the Cards were weak on the right side, and I think Brees saw that.

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It was bad math. Let's say we punt it to the Cardinals and they do 3 QB kneels and punt the ball back to us. We use both timeouts, Cards run as much clock as possible. Sure, we'd get the ball back at around our 20 yard-line, but with only 30 seconds, 0 timeouts and needing a TD. No chance in accomplishing that against the Cardinals defense.

I cut Payton a little slack because other NFL coaches seem to over-punt too. But then again I cut him less slack because they had a whole two-minute warning break to make a good decision and yet failed to do so.

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When Payton decided to put the ball he was saying that he had very little faith in the offense to pick up a 1st down.

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Ahh, Football Season, it's back...

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It was a piss poor call, just like his play calling for most of the game.

Carmichael should be calling the plays not Payton.

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I liked this, but I dont know if I really like what you have to say, or
if I just like your avatar.

its hard to stay mad, when you're getting schwingy.

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It was sad indeed. Down by a TD and punt with 2 minutes left...who does that? I think he was just pissed with the offense the more I think about it. Your best players are Brees and Cooks. That's why they make big boy money; to make big boy plays!!!

If we are going win games we have to air it out. The short ball game is not going to work. Start doing that and we might have a chance. Make defenses pay for playing short ball.

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The team played hard yesterday. Arizona is a better team. They were at home. The Saints were in the game until the end. The Saints have always had a hard time against physical teams under Payton. Payton was out-coached yesterday.

The real measuring stick on this team comes this week against the Bucs. They showed up against Arizona. Will they show up against a clearly lesser team? Or, will they half-ass it and squeak by with a win or worse?

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Bum Phillips? Maybe more like Dick Nolan!

Look, we just recently had a lil' incident where according to the police report, they had as many as 10 Saints players ballin' it up in the club, at 4 AM. That's one fifth of the roster! And I know some people here brushed it off, acted like it was no big deal, oh this happens all the time.... Well I am old enough to remember the George Rogers/Chuck Muncie cocaine era of the Saints, and I personally know a guy who once saw Kenny Stabler out at a bar at 4 AM, blotto out of his mind on a Saturday night, before a noon kickoff in the Dome....and let me tell you, folks, the players may have had their fun, but those seasons weren't very pretty for the Saints... or their fans.

Right now we have a bunch of club rats and party animals on defense, and a bunch of gator-wrestling, intern-punching, butt-slapping, immature, disorganized DISTRACTIONS filling our roster, on BOTH sides of the ball. Not to even mention a Big Lebowski style defensive coordinator who is seen double fisting it at Miss Mae's on a regular basis.

And yesterday, the team looked like it! Arizona had already scored 14 points before the Saints even woke up and realized it was Sunday morning, and figured out they weren't in Lucy's or @ Republic anymore, or that they weren't living inside an episode of "HBO Ballers"...if this keeps up this way, it's gonna be a LONG year, folks. They can still turn it around, of course....they can crack down and turn it around. But historically, based on facts, the bottom line is that NFL teams that party too much, or have too much OFF THE FIELD DISTRACTION, they rarely ever amount to anything.

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Im not gonna blame Cooks for this. he was being covered exclusively by the best cover corner in the league. This is when others are suppose to step up. I remember not long ago, it didn't matter if the opposing team took away a weapon, we would just spread it around. Are those days gone?

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Thats what happens when your biggest need besides Linebacker is wide receiver and the so called "Head Coach" picks a God damn prospect Offensive Lineman.

Getting real tired of Sean Payton and his offense, yesterday was pathetic when we got into the red zone.

The defense gave us 3 consecutive three and outs and we wasted all of them.

We had the ball before half time and failed.

Swapping field goals for touchdowns will never win.

Payton isn't the aggressive coach he once was, he now points the blame at everyone but himself.

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We lost! :hott: Now let's look at why.

25 new faces on the team implementing a new scheme

Defense:
2 rookies starting at LB'er
We lost a starting safety(Bush) to a rib injury
Lewis and Byrd out
UDFA's played significant snaps
First year player Breaux was attacked early and often. He is still learning
Assignment errors gave up critically long plays :dunce:
Penalties sustained scoring drives:dunce:
Very little pressure from the front four

Offense:
Too many runs went for no gain
Drew has too put the ball in very tight coverage because our WR's don't get much separation.
Too many dropped passes:dunce:
Colston needs an eye exam now
Coleman needs to challenge for the ball at the point of contact
Cooks had minimal production because of spectacular coverage
Our TE's don't stretch the field
We don't have a legitimate red zone threat
Way too much pressure in Drew's face
Less than stellar clock management and play calling(predictability):dunce:

Reasons for Optimism:

Drew looked good
Ingram and Robinson can both run between the tackles
Ingram and Robinson both look good receiving out of the back field
Ingram and Robinson both run the screen plays well
Our O-line gets to the second level quickly and block aggressively
Max Unger:love:
Snead looks like the real thing
Coleman finally showing why coaches like him
Payton has film and a better feel for the team and how best to use them
We play at Dome Sweet Dome

Special teams:

Morestead
Hocker
Murphy
The Who Dat Nation!:bng:

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Cards defense is very good. No need to panic.

Decision at end of game was a no win situation. Both choices were long shots subject to second guesses.

Our special teams stack up against anybody's.

Play calling was overly conservative. And I still say Sean looks fat, which leads me to wonder where his head is. But this is a young team that will make the playoffs and with some luck and good health could be a contender next year.

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The passes out of the backfield were abused. Refs were calling PI, why not take some shots, bound to connect or get a call at some point. Sick of this conservative play calling and short passing game. Peterson is good but no Deon. Hoping to see this develop next week because the offensive game plan was way too conservative.

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Just gonna throw this out there... I was super critical of signing Spiller to be that Bush/Sproles type of back because it's been so obvious that defenses have figured out our use of the screen pass. Then week one rolls around and we throw tons of screen passes and check downs to RB's to very little success. Spiller isn't gonna be Sproles from 2011... The league has figured us out.

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This is one of the reasons why I feel Payton has reached his peak, as a coach, with this team. He keeps doing the same thing & expecting different results, which is the definition of insanity. I'm not saying he is insane but ever since he was suspended for that year he has not been the same coach. The teams productivity has gone down. We haven't won the division since 2011? This in it's self is a statement of how far we have sunk even with Drew. It's time to start a new chapter.

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Our screen passes were at their most effective when we had a downfield passing game that was effective. Everyone was so scared of our deep game they came balls out in pass rush to get there and it opened up our screens. Our screens don't open up anything when we don't have a run game that needs respect and our downfield passing is no threat either.

Bottom line we ran into a top 5 defense yesterday with a very good secondary. Our receivers didn't get any separation, our running backs couldn't threaten any respectable runs and we got stuck in an underneath offense that the Cards could control.

But I do think Spiller helps this team when healthy. I think we are athletic enough in our run blocking to make more use of outside runs and I think Spiller will fill underneath check downs with more escape-ability for bigger plays than Ingram or Robinson provide in that area. He's a guy who can make LBers miss or fake them out of the play.

We need to work on our intermediate to deep passing game and take shots more often. I was surprised at the lack of attacking the seam with Hill or Colston.

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Cue Coach Cliche! " We have to stay focused, keep improving. It's a marathon not a sprint." "The sky is up." "It is what it is except when it isn't" "You wouldn't know a good pass rush if you saw one." "We have to correct the mistakes." "We'll remain positive." Ect, ect, ect, ect!

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All game plans look bad when skill position players can't win individual matchups. Patrick Peterson bottled up Cooks except a couple decent plays and no one got any separation all day. We need more touches for Ingram and Robinson in my opinion.

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"we're going to review film and see about cleaning some of these
things up."

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Payton has run his course?
Fire Sean Payton?
Has anyone ever heard of rebuilding? I'm sure we tried to avoid it but no doubt we are right in the middle of it.

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I don't agree with that. There is a big difference between a guy like Sproles/spiller coming out of the backfield over Ingram. Spiller coming in will create match-up problems for the D again, we need him back and healthy as much as we need Lewis.

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You missed my point that teams completely figured out our use of Sproles. It doesn't matter if it's Ingram or Spiller... Teams have figured us out. Sean Payton has become one of the most predictable play callers in the league.

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It all depends on if Payton turn this grab bag of talent into a team. If we can make a run in the second half of the season my faith will be restored in him.

If it turns into a twenty car pile up like last year it's time to move on.