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ChrisXVI 09-13-2015 06:46 PM
A Thread for the non-Chicken Little's
 
Look, of course we looked awful today. Yes, the window most definitely looks closed. Who saw something positive today? Argue in other threads... This is for how we build off of what we saw today.

NOLA54 09-13-2015 06:48 PM
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We build by starting fresh with a new GM & HC.

spkb25 09-13-2015 06:48 PM
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Didn't think we looked awful. Thought we looked young and thought we played very hard. Am excited that with that effort and no major ijuries we have a real shot at winning the division this year. I think we played a team that people are going to be surprised how good they are (if they remain relatively healthy).

I think, unlike last season, we have a lot to be excited about and are headed in the right direction.

ChrisXVI 09-13-2015 06:49 PM
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I made a thread about how Swann looks fantastic... That's one positive.

Danno 09-13-2015 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 667665)
Didn't think we looked awful. Thought we looked young and thought we played very hard. Am excited that with that effort and no major ijuries we have a real shot at winning the division this year. I think we played a team that people are going to be surprised how good they are (if they remain relatively healthy).

I think, unlike last season, we have a lot to be excited about and are headed in the right direction.
Agree, there were a lot of things to be excited about

dizzle88 09-13-2015 06:53 PM
Re: A Thread for the non-Chicken Little's
 
Positives

Swann
Kikaha
Anthony
Snead
Ingram and Khiry catching the ball

Negatives

O line - especially run blocking
Colston - just cut him now
Sean Payton and his so called "expert play calling"
No WR's who can consistently get open and catch

We should have drafted WR's instead of Peat and Grayson.

burningmetal 09-13-2015 06:57 PM
Re: A Thread for the non-Chicken Little's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 667660)
Look, of course we looked awful today. Yes, the window most definitely looks closed. Who saw something positive today? Argue in other threads... This is for how we build off of what we saw today.
Why start a thread asking people to find something that wasn't there? There's really nothing to build on from this. Everything has to be vastly different from what we saw today, bottom line. The injured guys need to get back quick, and who knows how effective they'll be right off the bat.

I saw a couple individuals do some things, but that's not enough to build on. Swann seemed good, Snead made one big play, and Kikaha was either close to getting a sack or completely out of the play all day. I like him, and the fumble caused was obviously nice, but he doesn't have any pass rush moves. He is quick off the edge but if he doesn't beat his man immediately he has no change of direction and just flies off the screen.

ChrisXVI 09-13-2015 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 667676)
Why start a thread asking people to find something that wasn't there? There's really nothing to build on from this. Everything has to be vastly different from what we saw today, bottom line. The injured guys need to get back quick, and who knows how effective they'll be right off the bat.

I saw a couple individuals do some things, but that's not enough to build on. Swann seemed good, Snead made one big play, and Kikaha was either close to getting a sack or completely out of the play all day. I like him, and the fumble caused was obviously nice, but he doesn't have any pass rush moves. He is quick off the edge but if he doesn't beat his man immediately he has no change of direction and just flies off the screen.
What did I say in the original post?! This isn't a thread for you... Reading comprehension 101.

blackangold 09-13-2015 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 667672)
Positives

Swann
Kikaha
Anthony
Snead
Ingram and Khiry catching the ball

Negatives

O line - especially run blocking
Colston - just cut him now
Sean Payton and his so called "expert play calling"
No WR's who can consistently get open and catch

We should have drafted WR's instead of Peat and Grayson.
agree with all but the o-line... run blocking wasnt good but drew had all day to throw even when he got sacked.

burningmetal 09-13-2015 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 667677)
What did I say in the original post?! This isn't a thread for you... Reading comprehension 101.
I read, comprehended and responded to your post, funny man.

You don't BUILD off this. If it were a better effort, I could see saying "hey, we're right there, just clean up a few things and build off this". This wasn't that kind of performance. I gave you my individual positives, did you comprehend that?

AlaskaSaints 09-13-2015 07:07 PM
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The topic renders me speechless. With this coaching staff, anyway.

darksoul35 09-13-2015 07:18 PM
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What happened to the Payton that kicks onside kicks after halftime? I want that guy back and we need some playmakers to stretch the field and not drop balls. Defenses just have to pull safeties to the line and key on Ingram. Hopefully Spiller will provide that and it also sucks not having Lewis and the one who never plays which im too upset to mention names. Its only one game and its early. I still see 9 wins I just hope its enough to get in.

K Major 09-13-2015 07:23 PM
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I have a different take...

Our offense was below average a lot of times today. YES, the offense. Colston is simply not the player he used to be. Far too many drops by BC and Colston. Slick Willie needs to be more involved in the offense. Our defense has a ton of new guys who held their own today... They'll get there. We often kept providing opportunities for the offense to score points (yet was stalled in the red zone). With more playing time, we will do a better job. Penalties kept drives alive and subsequently turned into point for the Redbirds. No shame... Arizona is a quality team.

One solid lock and positive is the kicker. Those balls were straight down the middle :bng:

CharityMike 09-13-2015 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 667693)
I have a different take...

Our offense was below average a lot of times today. YES, the offense. Colston is simply not the player he used to be. Far too many drops by BC and Colston. Slick Willie needs to be more involved in the offense. Our defense has a ton of new guys who held their own today... They'll get there. We often kept providing opportunities for the offense to score points (yet was stalled in the red zone). With more playing time, we will do a better job. Penalties kept drives alive and subsequently turned into point for the Redbirds. No shame... Arizona is a quality team.

One solid lock and positive is the kicker. Those balls were straight down the middle :bng:
Hooker looked great!

spkb25 09-13-2015 07:27 PM
Re: A Thread for the non-Chicken Little's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 667693)
I have a different take...

Our offense was below average a lot of times today. YES, the offense. Colston is simply not the player he used to be. Far too many drops by BC and Colston. Slick Willie needs to be more involved in the offense. Our defense has a ton of new guys who held their own today... They'll get there. We often kept providing opportunities for the offense to score points (yet was stalled in the red zone). With more playing time, we will do a better job. Penalties kept drives alive and subsequently turned into point for the Redbirds. No shame... Arizona is a quality team.

One solid lock and positive is the kicker. Those balls were straight down the middle :bng:
they really are a very good team, i mean like sb good. when healthy

darstep 09-13-2015 07:28 PM
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13 dink-and-dunks for 149 yards.
If we can get a few more down the field targets that would be a positive.
Brees had time, just did not see anyone open.
Play calling has to get better.
Have to start running the ball with 1 back and spread set.
I think the almost sacks have to just close the deal.
We've got talent. Limit the mistakes. Make plays in the moments that matter.
Zona was 7-1 before Palmer went down...and their cover guys are top shelf.

AlaskaSaints 09-13-2015 07:30 PM
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We look great after a turnover gift by the defense putting 12 on the field.
Otherwise, it would have been 31-12.

jeanpierre 09-13-2015 07:34 PM
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Apologies for quoting myself, but since the discussion has jumped here, well, here it is...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 667690)
Well, we fought a good game...

Only disappointment I saw was in, of all things, the veterans...

Marques Colston, God Bless Him, the olde warrior doesn't look like he's got anything left in the tank...

Jahri Evans, former all-pro has had one foot out of the door the since that big contract and is mailing it in...

Zach Strief, wily, big-hearted guy, lacked the athleticism and committed a crucial holding penalty...

Cam Jordan, absolutely ridiculous he isn't finishing plays; said it was a mistake committing the scheme to him, and it was...

Brownwer, see why he wants to return to Seattle and why Pats benched him - he's not worth a sh*t after five yards and can't make an interception (despite two gifts) to save his life...

On the positive...

We've got some great rookie, youngster play today...

While Stephone Anthony has to learn to play quarterback on defense and flow better through blocks, he was tremendous on coverage in the middle...

Hau'oli Kikaha may just be the best strong outside linebacker prospect since Rickey Jackson; relentless motor, always trying to make a play...

Someone cloned Fred Thomas and renamed him Damian Swann as the rookie plays with fire and heart, and is setting the bar by example...

With the exception of a poorly executed chip block while moving to the next level, Tim Lelito held up very well against a varied group of stout defensive linemen...

We better find a way to get Willie Snead on the field more as we got another Lance Moore (maybe even quicker) and we didn't utilize him nearly enough...

Finally, I'd like to have gotten Marcus Murphy at least five touches instead of Ingram on those obvious passing downs...

Really believe Murphy would have converted with his size, quickness and been the difference in the game...

voodooido 09-13-2015 07:41 PM
Re: A Thread for the non-Chicken Little's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 667660)
Look, of course we looked awful today. Yes, the window most definitely looks closed. Who saw something positive today? Argue in other threads... This is for how we build off of what we saw today.
SP needs to go with Colston. The score was 17-16 at one point and we still refuse to run the ball. It's like the opposite of Les Miles. 50 passes compared to 20 runs is stupid. We are not Baylor or TCU. This is the pros. It's almost like he is strictly trying to get Brees records instead of wins. The young defense did appear to have talent and a bright future.

spkb25 09-13-2015 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 667711)
SP needs to go with Colston. The score was 17-16 at one point and we still refuse to run the ball. It's like the opposite of Les Miles. 50 passes compared to 20 runs is stupid. We are not Baylor or TCU. This is the pros. It's almost like he is strictly trying to get Brees records instead of wins. The young defense did appear to have talent and a bright future.
out of curiosity how many yards did we have from those 20 carries?

burningmetal 09-13-2015 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 667704)
Apologies for quoting myself, but since the discussion has jumped here, well, here it is...
I agree about Snead and Murphy. Snead didn't just play well enough to make the team in the preseason, he was our best receiver in camp, other than maybe Cooks. Why on earth is Coleman playing ahead of him? Or Colston, for that matter?

And Murphy absolutely should have seen some third down snaps with Spiller being out. It seems like young guys can't do enough great things to convince Payton to let them loose when it matters. He never trusts them, but he has no problem letting guys who are old and slow, and young guys who HAVEN'T done anything great (Coleman) get all the playing time. That worked out really well today.

voodooido 09-13-2015 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 667713)
out of curiosity how many yards did we have from those 20 carries?
54!

pherein 09-13-2015 07:58 PM
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We are missing coaching and heart. Running the ball so much for wasted downs was a mistake. We should have gone to pass to open the run, but never did. D kept us in the game because of bad play calling on offense, but D should have had 1 of 4 turnovers.
This was not a very good OL, and D could not get much pressure.
Kicker was great.
But realisically the Rams beat the Hawks. Watch that game, because we would have gotten our ass kicked bad. So we are worse than the Rams, because I am not seeing the heart either.
I see a bunch of guys showing up for work on sunday, and not looking to win the Lombardy.
Saints are now being seen as should wins, for other teams, thats how bad its gotten.

spkb25 09-13-2015 08:07 PM
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coudnt help but think if we had spiller today and we hit him on the play that ingram went for 59 yards on he would have been gone.

we get healthy and we have a pretty good team.

Cards were 8-1 when Palmer went down last year and finished 11-5. This team is seriously (if healthy) probably SB bound and we hung with them at their stadium. they had injuries to their d too, last year I am talking about

Rsanders24 09-13-2015 08:15 PM
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Positive:

Swann
Anthony
Unger

Negatives:
D line
Safeties
ENTIRE OFFENSE GAME PLAN

clintonrebel 09-13-2015 08:16 PM
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Field goal kicking was stellar. This guy is good and he's cheap.

Breaux played well.

I'm worried about our shots down the field. We can't dink it every play.

burningmetal 09-13-2015 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 667724)
coudnt help but think if we had spiller today and we hit him on the play that ingram went for 59 yards on he would have been gone.

we get healthy and we have a pretty good team.

Cards were 8-1 when Palmer went down last year and finished 11-5. This team is seriously (if healthy) probably SB bound and we hung with them at their stadium. they had injuries to their d too
They were 8-1 before Palmer's injury, but it was still mostly on defense. Without Palmer they simply had zero offense with those highschool QB's.

We made them look much better than they are, in my opinion. There was no better example of that than the lack of pass rush against that horrible offensive line they have. I can't really give our D a pass on this one. We didn't score many points, but we held the ball long enough to give them rest. Our offense failed consistently to finish. And I blame it on bad throws, bad drops and bad play-calling.

I'm never a happy camper after a loss, but I usually stay off the boards til the next day to cool down. But the things I saw today can't be over-stated, regardless of how irritated I may be. It really was just a weak performance on every level. We'll get better, I think, but we look further off from contention than I originally thought.

spkb25 09-13-2015 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 667730)
. We'll get better, I think, but we look further off from contention than I originally thought.
HA, so funny how we see things completely different. Last year we provided such a lack of effort I loved our fight. I didn't think we would be this good...

Now everything has to be taken into account with that statement- it means if we continue giving the effort we gave today, Lewis comes back, and our d doesnt play like they did when they let up the first 2 td's.

so we'll see, their oline isn't weak, but they had two rookies starting today and we couldnt get there..that does concern me too. we need lewis and swann starting, in my opin.

Anyway we will see, but I thought we looked headed in the right direction, but we are definitely not heading to the sb, but i never thought we were. we can compete for the division though with everything i said above being taken into accunt

RaginCajun83 09-13-2015 08:28 PM
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Brees had a TD pass

burningmetal 09-13-2015 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 667732)
HA, so funny how we see things completely different. Last year we provided such a lack of effort I loved our fight. I didn't think we would be this good...

Now everything has to be taken into account with that statement- it means if we continue giving the effort we gave today, Lewis comes back, and our d doesnt play like they did when they let up the first 2 td's.

so we'll see, their oline isn't weak, but they had two rookies starting today and we couldnt get there..that does concern me too. we need lewis and swann starting, in my opin.

Anyway we will see, but I thought we looked headed in the right direction, but we are definitely not heading to the sb, but i never thought we were. we can compete for the division though with everything i said above being taken into accunt
Yeah I'm holding most of my hope on the return of Lewis, Spiller and maybe (huge maybe) Byrd. I just wonder how much even a healthy secondary will do if we can't get to the quarterback. I don't remember reacting so strongly to the first game of a season, but it was the knowledge coming in of how much trouble they've had protecting Palmer that had me thinking we'd get to him a few times. The end result really changed my outlook, but like you said, we'll see.

The Dude 09-13-2015 08:37 PM
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I took alot of positive away. Probably because my expectations were very low coming into it. I thought the defense played well for a bunch of rookies once they got settled in. I think they will continue to improve as they gain experience. Pair that with the fact we will get some guys back from injury and they might actually be decent.

The Cardinals are a good team. A lot better than any team the rest of our division played. Offensive line did a better job of pass blocking. I will give them a pass on run blocking because the Cards have been tough to run on.

Anyway as far as building I think the foundation is in place with our defense. It was their first game against a very capable offense and most all of them didnt play here last year. Hell most of them hadnt played a down of NFL football until today. If they can play well enough to keep us in it until we start getting people back from injury this team might be alright.
You wanna fire the coach? Im listening. Who out there is better? Name a better candidate and I might not argue but I cant think of any.

NOLA54 09-13-2015 08:58 PM
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My expectations were low as well and they were met.

saintfan 09-13-2015 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 667665)
Didn't think we looked awful. Thought we looked young and thought we played very hard. Am excited that with that effort and no major ijuries we have a real shot at winning the division this year. I think we played a team that people are going to be surprised how good they are (if they remain relatively healthy).

I think, unlike last season, we have a lot to be excited about and are headed in the right direction.
One I got over my anger (which didn't take long) I pretty much came to the same reasoning. We're young, and we looked it at times, but we have something to build on, and Arizona is stout - they're a good football team. We held our own for most of the game. We aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year barring really speedy improvement, but we're on the right track.

neugey 09-13-2015 09:45 PM
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My positives would be -

Saints first half coaching (second-half we got outcoached)

Hocker - no kicking problems thank God. And that first-game is very important for a young kicker.

Lelito - I think he might be a better guard than center. Played pretty well IMO.

Vaccaro - looked better than last year for sure

Snead and Coleman - These two seem talented enough we should target them more and let them make mistakes so they can get better.

Defense - Tackling was pretty good and new guys in the secondary like Breaux and Swann played hard. Anthony looked good. I hope we get Keenan Lewis back soon so we could play more press w/ him and Browner on the outsides.

And one negative I will harp on is the TE situation. We don't need to have a great TE, we just need to get the decent ones we have involved at the right times and let them win matchups against linebackers. Daniel Fells from this game is a perfect example.

blackangold 09-13-2015 10:23 PM
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Some positives and some negatives no doubt.

The biggest issue is the redzone offense. Can't go 1-4 in the redzone and expect a win. Brees and Payton need to find a way to score without JG.


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