CCS: 5 Take aways from saints loss
 

I actually agree with every one of them.

1) Something is Wrong with Sean Payton
2) Brandin Cooks is Not Ready to be a Number One Receiver
3) The Saints' Defense is Going to Get Better
4) Running Backs Will Have An Outstanding Season Catching the Ball
5) This Might be it for Marques

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POLL
What was the main cause of the Saints' loss at Arizona?

10% Payton's punt on 4th and 6 in the fourth quarter
(171 votes)
60% Brees and the offense's inability to score TDs
(1011 votes)
14% Defense was softer than hot butter early and late
(239 votes)
12% This team is simply still too young
(204 votes)
3% At least we didn't give up a 40 burger
(55 votes)

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1st 2 are BS, but 3,4 and 5 are on spot.

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My big take away is that while it was very discouraging, it was just one road game against a team we've struggled with in the past. I need to see more before passing judgement off of one game.

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I can answer the first two...

1) Sean Payton is a complacent alcoholic

2) Brandin Cooks was covered by one of the best CB's in the league.

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#1 I think you'd have a tough time arguing against. Payton is definitely not the same play caller he used to be. Personally I think it's very bland and predictable over the last 2 years. The best our offense has been was in 2011 and he wasn't the one calling the plays.

#2 Is hit or miss, but Peterson did shut Cooks down. We'll see how he rebounds against Tampa.

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Payton has always been a questionable play caller. Parcells nailed it when he said he gets the fever (passing).

Its the same Payton we've seen since he became our coach. He just went against a good defense on the road, with a 50% roster turnover, and we still put up 408 yards.

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Pete Carmichael was calling the plays in 2011... Just saying.

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Agreed. Although I'm not sure Cooks is really "ready" to be #1, but we're throwing a lot of guys to the wolves this season, particularly on defense. I see no reason not to include Cooks in the deal. It's clear he has what it takes, so just give him the job and roll with it. We have the makings of a really good team, but it's going to take some time. Count me in (but I reserve the right to complain sometimes).

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#6. We went toe to toe on the road against a very good defensive ball club.

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Enough is enough... We all know Payton is an egomaniac who refuses to let Carmichael call the plays because when Carmichael did we surpassed the "Greatest Show on Turf." Now Payton will just continue to call one screen pass after another until we suck enough to where he can blame it on Rob Ryan's defense.

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The screen pass will work once Spiller is on the field. He would have absolutely burned Arizona yesterday on a couple plays. And trust me one game changer like that will be a difference it will bring excitement back. Thats what we need something BIG to happen.

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No SP has a field of new faces and 25% of his cap walking the streets. he is feeling this out like we are. Trust

Never will be. As a Number two or slot he might have all pro written all over him. The saints have never had a true #1 WR under SP

Compared to what? 2015? gesshhhh

saints RB heavily involved in the passing game? Ya think????

He's getting older and he has taken a beating over the years. It been showing for the past 3 years. But he is still better than most of what we have right now.

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Some seriously shallow thinking in this one

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I am not ready to throw Colston under the bus, especially after 1 game; Saints already broke my heart when they released PT!

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id be interested to find out who ws calling the pays sunday because i thought i saw pete calling them

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There is someone on the board that can reason things...


I am interested to see us provide the same effort at home. We hopefully get a win against the Bucs, but this will be a fight because it is divisional and they got throttled last week. I expect a better result this week. Now if we do not put forth the same effort and look like last year then I will get worried about SP.

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Speaking of alcoholics...

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408 yards sure. I read this somewhere yesterday and thought it made the most sense when describing the offense on Sunday

152 of the Saints’ 408 total yards came on just three of their 70 plays. Almost forty percent of their yardage came on four percent of their snaps. They earned very little and sustained almost nothing

Truth

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408 yards is nothing when your 1-4 in the redzone.

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You just hit it....

http://i.imgur.com/VytJKje.gif

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All are legit points, ineffective red zone offense was a killer, missing opportunities for turnovers was a killer, but come on, it was the first game on the road against a good team. If the Saints had somehow pulled it out, this board would look so different.

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If anyone wants to things of Cooks as a number 1 WR is a fool. We don't utilize an offense with a clear #1 WR. You get open when your number is called period. They even it out... you make a play when you are called.

I think Cooks is a deep threat and needs to be just that. He doesn't need to be a number one nor should we expect him to be. I don't see him as a possession WR even. We need him going for the shots that we take deep down field.

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We could work on our run blocking off the line.

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1. Saints suck
2. defense sucks
3. WRs suck
4. play calling sucks
5. 5-11 sounds about right

:banana:

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I'm surprised he hasn't been used more often down field. Payton used to love to streak Devry and Meach down the field almost every other play. It keeps the safeties honest and if the defense has a miscue it's a touchdown. I figured Cooks was going to be used more in that capacity. Too bad Stills didn't work out.

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I am waiting on Spiller to return then we will have a better idea of what Cook will do as a WR.

It all rest on Spiller. I am betting the Atlanta game is the must game target for his return.

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Yeah spiller is going to make a huge impact. Hes alot better than people think. A born natural runner. Its why SP is treating him with kid gloves I think, he knows he is great. He just needed a good team and OL to explode. Really amazing what he did on a crap team like Bills.

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He might walk on water but if he's made of glass it won't matter.

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-The punt was a horrible decision. Go down swinging with Drew. If you can't get 6 yards, you might as well pack it in. He lost last years team and I just don't see improvement.
-Cooks is a really good player. Injuries cut shot his rookie season and game 1 of season 2 he was almost invisible. I personally never see him as a #1 WR in the NFL.
-The Saints have some good young talent on defense. Not a fan of the coaching. And, they lack a dynamic player at any position. The "No Name" defense will never happen again in the current NFL where the rules strongly favors the offense. A great like Ronnie Lott wouldn't last in today's league. The safeties aren't allowed to hit anybody.
-The RB's will get more chances to catch the ball than run it in Payton's offense. No surprise there.
-It is it for Colston. Can't separate at all. Takes too many hits when he does catch it. Great Saint. Should go in the ring of fame while he's still playing.

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Good grief, seriously?

After 1 game, on the road, against a Superbowl contender?

Wow.

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Hes the best runner we have ever had I think, but your right if he gets hurt alot wont matter.
The thing to remember though is Bills have had one of the worse OL in the NFL for years, so its expected that he is going to take huge hits all day. He will take less hits here. He ran on a very tough to nearly imposible team to run with.

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Marcus Murphy should have been given snaps on offense

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Agree.
Colston has taken a beating at times in the middle of the field and due to his size he was able to keep playing. If Cooks takes hits like that he won't be in the league for very long.

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This is just a taste of what a good not great D can do to our O. On the defenseless side of the ball this is a taste of what a middle of the road O can do to them, it;s going to be a long season. NT and a scheme change might work for the D and play action with a little to lot of game management for the O(ground and pound).

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If Brandon Cooks is gonna be great, he's got to beat the top CB's in the league.

Payton's been a stubborn coach from the beginning.

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I agree with him, we just look too similar to last year. It's like a continuation of the same ol' bull-@&$?! Why should we have any hope? This is a "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately-league," right???


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Similar to last year? How so?

I saw speed and passion on defense and our patchwork DB's looked better than they did in any game last year.

Looking at our schedule I'd rank the 5 toughest games as

1. @ CAR
2. @ AZ
3. @ PHL
4. @ ATL
5. DAL

We lost a close game on the road against what I'd consider our 2nd toughest game on the schedule, with 25 new players on this team, 11 rookies seeing their 1st NFL action, and several of our star players missing.

This looked nothing like last year.