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Ihave given RR a ton of **** and defended sean like crazy, but I am really at a point where two years in a row of this garbage is a trend. I think Sean is done. I hope I am wrong and somehow this turns into a wake up for us, but I kept thinking that last year too. I don't see it.

Halo, where's Bill Cowher?

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Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden.

We need to start from scratch, but the frustrating thing is we all know we'll be watching this disappointment all year and all next year too.

Khiry is so much better than Ingram
Sean Payton is done
Brees too, he's no longer a threat to defenses and throws the ball into triple coverage

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-Forced the ball to Spiller early.
-Get two TD's down, THEN wants to run the ball.
-Results. Six straight home losses.
-Brees may be in great shape, but his arm is lacking.
-Lelito and Strief were whipped today.
-No pass rush.
-Bucs are not good.
-Saints look worse.

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well, he wont feed roobinson, and i dont knnow why, then drew has no protection. I actually think he got hurt way early in the game on that hit.

pass rush is an absolute joke

just terrible. And worst then all is the lack of frigan energy

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Payton and Loomis are done. Giving them the benefit of the doubt based on past success has crippled this team. Time for them to go.

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There was that hit at the begining of the game. looked like he was hurt (shoulder). I hope it's nothing.

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looked like he was hurt to me

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Since we saving money let's unload Brees too and then we can really start from scratch...he is done...no zip on any of his passes...everyone pass comes out the same...he better start using his legs.

Everyone on here wanted to resign Ingram when he wasn't our best RB last year....he just got the most touches.

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cant say for certain but it looked like drew got hurt today way erly in the game

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If we are really going to be this team, in my opinion, Brees should be traded at the end of the season and SP should be fired.

Let's rebuild for real, Seattle did it with a rookie QB because they had a great defense and running game

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The entire coaching has to go. At the very least the play calling has to be taken away from Sean.

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Believe me, I was never one of those people. I've never been in Ingram's corner. I gave him marginal credit last year for at least learning how to run through a hole, even though he still didn't show much ability to create.

He just wasn't worth the money. Lot's of mistakes made by this team.

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I've been defending Ingram since the start, but it's easy to see Khiry is the better player

When Khiry is in the game our offense moves. We should move forward with Khiry in my opinion.

Sean Payton is the real problem, but in typical Payton fashion he will fire someone else (Probably Rob Ryan) to shift the blame from himself.

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Yeah...I saw that play where afterwards he seemed to be moving it like he was trying to loosen it up. Even before that he was off on throws he usually would make.

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Shotanheimer? or however you spell it.


Look 2 years ago Carolina went 0-2 and looked HORRIBLE. They wound up righting the ship and going to the NFCCG. They were ready to fire everyone. Crazier things have happened.

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Carolina has not gone to the NFC Championship game with this team and lucked into the playoffs with a 7-8-1 record. they have looked awful offensively just like us so far this year but look who they have played? A Jacksonville team that is still in growing mode and Houston without their best offensive player. Yeah we could lose next week but I'd like to think we don't forget about the last game.

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Sean won't use Robinson who is more productive and never gives up because he drafted Ingram and paid him. Can't show your own error

Just like when Chris Ivory was productive but ignored then flourished in New York

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Saints weren't wearing the right cleats.

https://media.giphy.com/media/u0lxld5ndiHlu/giphy.gif

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Six straight loses at home. We don't score first or last anymore and we don't score enough.
The time has come.

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Gruden signed a big contract with ESPN last year IIRC.

Not sure if Cowher has the desire to coach anymore.

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Coaching staff should sing this:

"i hate to say it i hate to say it but it's probably me"

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The thing that really annoyed me was when the D got off the field with 2 minutes to go;

1. Every other team barely needs 50 seconds to march the ball against us
2. Stephone Anthony was that fired up he went up to Brees and Payton to help motivate them, they both looked at him as if to say "we probably won't score and you'll be back out here soon"

Then what happened

Clock ran down to 1:20 and how far had we moved I hear you asking? 4 yards....4 yards in 30 seconds....

I personally hope this is the end of the Payton era, unfortunately that means Brees too but we have to look to the future

I'd fire SP and trade Brees.

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I can not disagree more about Brees. We have no running game and he has been running for his life. Look at our Wr's. We have 1 32 yr old, 3 undrafted and 1 1st rd pick with less than a year under his belt. Name me 1 qb that could deal with that and have a winning record.

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We had a chance and didn't adress this problem. That's on Sean.

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Aaron Rodgers.

The problem isn't the WRs the only dropped pass today was from Johnson, but there were a dozen awful throws. Brees seemed to have more time in this game but held on to the ball. Even on the Sacks Brees had over 3 secs with the ball.

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The line hasn't been real good, and it's true we are thin at WR, but he has had enough time in spots and still made horrible throws. We are definitely bad in many ways. But Drew gets no pass from me.

I know we're all tired of hearing this, as well, but it bears repeating that Drew wanted that huge deal, and that has a lot to do with the problem. But it certainly isn't the only reason. Everything has been mismanaged, lately.

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Sean needs to give up play calling. Loomis needs to go.

What is Mora doing these day?

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Drew had plenty of time on a couple of throws

Go back and watch the pick he threw
Play action, plenty of time and he threw an absolute wounded duck down field and into double coverage - interception.

Drew is not without blame, its time to move on from them both, our offense is not feared because every team (especially those in our division) have figured us out!!!

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Ha! Great song!

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Our franchise has a tendency to clean house, get hungry and reach another level of success, and then soon after that our leadership goes south. Happened under Mora, Haslett, and now Payton. Well technically, I'm too young to remember if we 'cleaned house' before Mora's arrival.

I'm sure this problem isn't unique to our franchise, but it damn sure is true with us.

Please no Cowher. He's been away for far too long, and I think it would turn out pretty poorly, like Ditka.

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damn shame Harbuagh went to college. we need toughness. What about ken norton jr, is he headed in that direction?

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i was kidding cause halo always says it to me, but we need that type of toughness.

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All we have is Cooks at this point but he's covered by the best DB so that leaves us with pretty much nothing. Nobody else can get down field or get open. Cooks had to create a pick to get Snead a TD and even that was borderline penalty. Very disturbing situation. Counting the gift from the Bucs last year, that's a real losing climate of 7 games in a row with PS. This situation does not looked like we are going to be able to fix it.

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hard to rebuild with cap max out for the next few years then add to it 25% of that cap is out walking the street or playing else were is a killer.

draft history
2014 1 player
2013 2 players
2012 1 player
2011 2 players
2010 ZERO

6 players still on the roster after 6 years

THERE IS THE ISSUE!

We need 2 solid years of drafting before 2017 or this could be a really stretch

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I'm starting to think the Stills trade was where we really fugged up.

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I blame a lack a vision from the front office.

I've been saying for the past year that Brees has lost his ability to see the field in depth and his deep pass. Without those, he's average...but his stats are deceptive due to the high number of passes (all short of 15 yards by the way).

Much like Favre, Montana, Warner, and others at the ends of their careers, his shelf life is expired and the team needs to look to the future. Dump him and his top heavy contract and get to rebuilding. Otherwise, we have another 2 years of watching a team in decline unable to rebuild!

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I would've like us to start building with Ryan Griffin but that is out the door. I am still trying to figure out why draft Grayson or P.J.Williams while Sammie Coates was still on the board

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Seattle's 0-2 just like we are.