New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight

WhoDat!656 · 09-24-2015, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

Sounds like there are others that agree with what we have been saying.

It appears Payton & Loomis think too highly of themselves. The Pats can do what they do because they know what they are doing. Payton & Loomis haven't earned it yet. Unfortunately that has become painfully obvious.

Since our owner spends his time in litigation these days, he probably hasn't been paying much attention to the team. I don't think he is capable of making decisions to pull us out of the fire. We can't count on Loomis who is part of the problem. Who's left? We might be in this mess a long time to come.

I doubt Benson has ever had enough football knowledge to make a decision that would help the Saints.

Boutte · 09-24-2015, 10:07 PM

This sounds amazingly like what was being posted in 2008. Back then though it took more than two games before we got to this point.

Mardigras9 · 09-25-2015, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

What happened to the great Josh Hill?

Hill did show some promise late last season, not that he is even close to replacing Graham. Moreover, where is Watson also?

To me, the part of the article I liked was

Rumors of Brees' demise are exaggerated and premature. He is the youngest of the "Big Three" future Hall of Fame quarterbacks in his age group: Brees is 36, while Tom Brady is 38 and Peyton Manning is 39. He takes great care of himself and has the complete support of his coach.

Some perspective for the Brees is a has been .

darstep · 09-25-2015, 01:04 PM

I disagree with the irreversible part.
As long as there is breath there is a chance.
The left side of the O-line looks fine.
The Strief side is what Brees is seeing constantly and
fogging up all he sees even when looking down field.
Tunnel vision is wonderful when the QB has no worries but when there
is all kinds of commotion in his face, it's hard to walk through progressions.
Brees is running through his progressions and guys aren't getting separation anyway.
I read where Strief apologized so hopefully he's ready and will make it right.
Running the football is where me a SP fall out.
I think it is and has been his word-only commitment to the run game that has been the problem.
He gives up way too soon. The Brees success factor has not help that aspect of the game at all.
There are issues, but I don't think any of them are beyond repair.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-25-2015, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It's obvious that our O-line has been on the decline for years now. Grubbs was sub par and Goodwin was just too old to produce the second time around. Our LT and LG are old and their skills have been deteriorating for the last couple of years(from where I sit). Unger isn't exactly a spring chicken either. But he's not in decline yet. However, we will most likely give him an incredible extension.

RG (Evans) and RT (Strief) right? The young guys are on the left side.

SFIAH

st thomas · 09-25-2015, 01:52 PM

strief, if you se whats going on with him is he beats out anyone trying to replace him in camp, then he gets pummeled during games at times. coaches back him like no other. that's M.O.anyway.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2015, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

What happened to the great Josh Hill? Everyone including Payton talked this guy up as the second coming of Jimmy but those who knew football knew better and so far they were right. The guy is nonexistent in the offense, great job Sean.

Nobody that knew anything ever talked up Hill. A few talking heads assumed he would be the man, but anyone with half a ounce of knowledge would know that Ben Watson is far better than Hill will ever be.

MarchingOn · 09-25-2015, 10:23 PM

Well written article and well analyzed by Brian Billick. So, this is why the NFL network hired him.

Normally, on TV he offers mostly cliches. Couldn't stand hearing his "insights" during the draft...couldn't wait til he stopped speaking so someone else could chime in.

Better writer and coach than TV pudit, maybe. Wonder if our front office will take heed.

09-24-2015, 10:07 PM	#11
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight Originally Posted by NOLA54 Sounds like there are others that agree with what we have been saying. It appears Payton & Loomis think too highly of themselves. The Pats can do what they do because they know what they are doing. Payton & Loomis haven't earned it yet. Unfortunately that has become painfully obvious. Since our owner spends his time in litigation these days, he probably hasn't been paying much attention to the team. I don't think he is capable of making decisions to pull us out of the fire. We can't count on Loomis who is part of the problem. Who's left? We might be in this mess a long time to come. I doubt Benson has ever had enough football knowledge to make a decision that would help the Saints.

09-24-2015, 10:07 PM	#12
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight This sounds amazingly like what was being posted in 2008. Back then though it took more than two games before we got to this point. Halo likes this.

09-25-2015, 10:37 AM	#13
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 What happened to the great Josh Hill? Hill did show some promise late last season, not that he is even close to replacing Graham. Moreover, where is Watson also? To me, the part of the article I liked was Rumors of Brees' demise are exaggerated and premature. He is the youngest of the "Big Three" future Hall of Fame quarterbacks in his age group: Brees is 36, while Tom Brady is 38 and Peyton Manning is 39. He takes great care of himself and has the complete support of his coach. Some perspective for the Brees is a has been .

09-25-2015, 01:04 PM	#14
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight I disagree with the irreversible part. As long as there is breath there is a chance. The left side of the O-line looks fine. The Strief side is what Brees is seeing constantly and fogging up all he sees even when looking down field. Tunnel vision is wonderful when the QB has no worries but when there is all kinds of commotion in his face, it's hard to walk through progressions. Brees is running through his progressions and guys aren't getting separation anyway. I read where Strief apologized so hopefully he's ready and will make it right. Running the football is where me a SP fall out. I think it is and has been his word-only commitment to the run game that has been the problem. He gives up way too soon. The Brees success factor has not help that aspect of the game at all. There are issues, but I don't think any of them are beyond repair.
	SaintSince67

09-25-2015, 01:38 PM	#15
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It's obvious that our O-line has been on the decline for years now. Grubbs was sub par and Goodwin was just too old to produce the second time around. Our LT and LG are old and their skills have been deteriorating for the last couple of years(from where I sit). Unger isn't exactly a spring chicken either. But he's not in decline yet. However, we will most likely give him an incredible extension. RG (Evans) and RT (Strief) right? The young guys are on the left side. SFIAH

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight strief, if you se whats going on with him is he beats out anyone trying to replace him in camp, then he gets pummeled during games at times. coaches back him like no other. that's M.O.anyway.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 What happened to the great Josh Hill? Everyone including Payton talked this guy up as the second coming of Jimmy but those who knew football knew better and so far they were right. The guy is nonexistent in the offense, great job Sean. Nobody that knew anything ever talked up Hill. A few talking heads assumed he would be the man, but anyone with half a ounce of knowledge would know that Ben Watson is far better than Hill will ever be.

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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight Well written article and well analyzed by Brian Billick. So, this is why the NFL network hired him. Normally, on TV he offers mostly cliches. Couldn't stand hearing his "insights" during the draft...couldn't wait til he stopped speaking so someone else could chime in. Better writer and coach than TV pudit, maybe. Wonder if our front office will take heed.

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