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4everSaint 09-27-2015 11:05 PM

Please get off of Brees
 
It really is getting old. This man has done nothing but played his heart our for us. Won us a Super Bowl! A Super Bowl! He is not done. He is HURT! Now I don't know what to say about 0-3 at the moment. But it is not on Brees.

Hope you guys have a good week!

blackangold 09-27-2015 11:30 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Lol
This reminds me of that video...
Leave Brittany alone!
LOL

Cruize 09-27-2015 11:37 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Great guy. Great Saint. But, his time has passed especially with a rebuilding team.

dizzle88 09-27-2015 11:44 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Great player and even better guy, unfortunately it's best for the team in my opinion to start looking toward the future.

xan 09-28-2015 12:04 AM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Great guy, model person, but his injury will take a full year to recover, if he ever gets back to "replacement level". He's getting more than enough love from his $26.4 million contract, and I dare anyone say he's underpaid.

Encourage him to get out when he's on "top" and not drag the franchise through one of those Bret Favre "I'm a giant douchebag" fiascos.

jnormand 09-28-2015 12:23 AM

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Nope. 1 week to recover. DB will kick some ass this week.

WillSaints81 09-28-2015 12:23 AM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
If we have another losing season, then it is time to cut ways. It's not Brees, it's just the two needs some young energy. Grayson will give us that.

SaintFanQ 09-28-2015 02:47 AM

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Brees has done a fantastic job for this team and I don't see him wanting to hand over the QB spot without a fight!

Give him the time he needs to get this injury right and then watch him come out all guns blazing to prove the doubters wrong!

It's not his fault the Saints are 0-3, the whole team needs to move up a gear and get themselves playing how they know they should be and that includes the coaching staff!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!

Ashley 09-28-2015 06:39 AM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
It comes with the territory.

Danno 09-28-2015 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 671531)
It comes with the territory.

Glad we have him and love what he's done for the team, but he's not perfect.

Don't forget the players union crap he pulled.

Don't forget him holding the organization hostage for that contract, which prevented us from franchising Carl Nicks and keeping the best interior line in football together for several more years.

He might be a Saint, be he's no Saint.

leilung 09-28-2015 08:34 AM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Montana, Favre, Warner the HOF list goes on... We've all seen this movie before. When it's time to move on, you move on.

Time is the ultimate decision maker for a team. That and an outrageous price tag to keep a QB on the roster, more out of loyalty, than for what he contributes to a team struggling to move forward.

I love the man. I love the QB and what he has meant to the team and the NOLA region. But I struggle with watching his skills degrade.

It's like watching your favorite heavyweight fighter get in the ring when he's old. You want him to win, but deep in your heart, you know he's going to get banged up by a younger fighter.

spkb25 09-28-2015 09:15 AM

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warner was a mistake, the other 2 had good replacements. once we have our good replacement we will be in those boats

halloween 65 09-28-2015 09:57 AM

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Saints will always be the Saints no matter who is under C or what position is played. Brees has been a welcome sight for 10 years and has produced well for 10 years, he shattered Archies records, led us to NFC South championships, NFC title games and a big Superbowl which I never thought I would ever see, Drew Brees was there and did all those great and memorable things. I love him for that. He was in decline before he was hurt, as a Saints fan (meaning team first) paying any QB. or any position that amount of money on a declining player that has seen his better days is putting the Saints team last. Thats something I'm not willing to do. I was hoping he went out like Elway did riding off into the sunset smiling but Brees was dealt a different hand than Elway. If we restucture him we need to put in a clause that asures he can be traded and trade him for picks. I can't see cutting him and get nothing. Personally I hope he retires and enjoys his life and what he has accomplished which is more than alot of players can ever say.

SaintsBro 09-28-2015 10:25 AM

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I thought it was kinda refreshing to see Luke out there. Just as a fresh air, change-of-scenery, let's-take-a-vacation type thing. That last drive, he started at the 29 and moved the ball efficiently all the way to the Panthers 23 before the pick. I thought it was a bad/impossible playcall rather than a really bad throw by McCown. Throwing a jump ball to a tiny 5'4" receiver covered by a 7'4" defender in the corner of the end zone, you run that play 5 times in a row and probably 4 of them will be picks or broken up.

Seems like since these doldrums set in about 12 games or so ago, with Drew in the game, when we get to those do-or-die drives late in the game, seems like the offense usually stalls out in those late desperation drives, with either a 3 and out, penalties, or a stupid turnover or whatever. At least this time they got down to the other end of the field and were threatening before the flop!

Colston just looks like Colston.... He was fumbling and dropping the ball like this at the beginning of last year as well. Maybe he gets it together.

brees84 09-28-2015 10:38 AM

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Extend Brees with lower cap number and give him a chance to win games. Look at Denver. Peyton Manning is not playing his best football but they are winning games. Why? Let's see. They have two great wide receivers in Thomas and Sanders. Catches they made last night were unbelievable. Cheap serviceable RBs. They don't overpay that position. Shaky O-line but they are getting better. And yes, they are having DEFENSE! Best pass rushing duo in NFL (Miller, Ware), big nasty guys in the middle, two shutdown corners in Talib and Harris. Not to mention young guys that are constantly improving (Bradley Roby).

Last but not least: Wade Phillips and GM Elway. (guy actually understands football)

I won't kid myself that we are talented team and our perfomance on sundays is bad luck or that we are 1-2 players away of being relevant again. We are poor coached team with lack of talent on multiple positions. In order to have better players on both sides of the ball (better team) there are two things that must happen. GM with b**ls and new coaching staff. If Payton survives coaching changes he needs to stay the f*** away from defense (unlkely, his ego won't let that happen).

leilung 09-28-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 671578)
warner was a mistake, the other 2 had good replacements. once we have our good replacement we will be in those boats

And that's the rub. If management had vision, they would have already been grooming the 'heir apparent' who would have benefited immensely from Brees' teaching. As it stands, in Star Wars terms, any Padawan who learns under him may not have the Jedi Master long before he moves on.

AsylumGuido 09-28-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 671498)
Great guy, model person, but his injury will take a full year to recover, if he ever gets back to "replacement level". He's getting more than enough love from his $26.4 million contract, and I dare anyone say he's underpaid.

Encourage him to get out when he's on "top" and not drag the franchise through one of those Bret Favre "I'm a giant douchebag" fiascos.

It takes you a year to recover from a bruise? Seriously? I'm sorry but that was either the most uninformed comment I have either read or the most asinine. I'm giving you the shadow of the doubt and just assuming you don't know crap. :whatever:

AsylumGuido 09-28-2015 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 671547)
Glad we have him and love what he's done for the team, but he's not perfect.

Don't forget the players union crap he pulled.

Don't forget him holding the organization hostage for that contract, which prevented us from franchising Carl Nicks and keeping the best interior line in football together for several more years.

He might be a Saint, be he's no Saint.

No. He is a professional and handled all of those situations better than 99% of the people on these boards. That so called hostage situation was for a contract that is being dwarfed by below average starters today.

AsylumGuido 09-28-2015 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 671605)
And that's the rub. If management had vision, they would have already been grooming the 'heir apparent' who would have benefited immensely from Brees' teaching. As it stands, in Star Wars terms, any Padawan who learns under him may not have the Jedi Master long before he moves on.

Groomed feces is still feces. The NCAA is producing a franchise caliber QB at a rate of about one every three years in the recent years. Brees, today, is better than virtually every available QB coming out. I have seen zero from Grayson and cannot ever see him as more than a backup, if that.

It is all good and well to want the QB of tomorrow, but give me Brees for four more years instead of moving back to the days of Aaron Brooks and beyond. Simply put, you don't replace a part until you have a working part to use in its place.

Yes, McCown did well this week. Brees would have done just as well. In fact, I believe McCown played as well as he is capable ... and he lost.

You know the old saying, "beware of what you wish for, you just may get it." Personally I not wanting to go through another 30 year stretch of mediocre to poor QB's that have no shot of breaking .500 in any given season. No thank you.

lumm0x 09-28-2015 12:04 PM

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Yep. We will be back to the old QB carousel before long crying about that instead. This team has decent RB's, one weapon as a receiver who is an amazing #2-3 but not a #1. Right side of our o-line is a disaster and our defense will make any opposing team look hall of fame worthy.

K Major 09-28-2015 12:09 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
I'm appreciative for everything Drew has done for the Saints organization & the city of New Orleans.

Rell&Gold 09-28-2015 02:39 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Some of you are worse than the media, are any of you working for NFLN

UK_WhoDat 09-28-2015 03:06 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
We can't win without him.
However the big question is: can we win with him? We do have a number of issues that probably cannot be overcome by any great QB.

WillSaints81 09-28-2015 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanQ (Post 671515)
Brees has done a fantastic job for this team and I don't see him wanting to hand over the QB spot without a fight!

Give him the time he needs to get this injury right and then watch him come out all guns blazing to prove the doubters wrong!

It's not his fault the Saints are 0-3, the whole team needs to move up a gear and get themselves playing how they know they should be and that includes the coaching staff!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!

What was his excuse against Arizona?

AsylumGuido 09-28-2015 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 671698)
What was his excuse against Arizona?

Perhaps playing against arguably the best team in the NFC at their home? So far he is one of possibly 12 different QB's that will lose to the Cards this season.

WillSaints81 09-28-2015 06:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leilung (Post 671605)
And that's the rub. If management had vision, they would have already been grooming the 'heir apparent' who would have benefited immensely from Brees' teaching. As it stands, in Star Wars terms, any Padawan who learns under him may not have the Jedi Master long before he moves on.


Most people don't think Rodgers benefitted from Favre. He was already good.

WillSaints81 09-28-2015 06:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 671616)
Groomed feces is still feces. The NCAA is producing a franchise caliber QB at a rate of about one every three years in the recent years. Brees, today, is better than virtually every available QB coming out. I have seen zero from Grayson and cannot ever see him as more than a backup, if that.

It is all good and well to want the QB of tomorrow, but give me Brees for four more years instead of moving back to the days of Aaron Brooks and beyond. Simply put, you don't replace a part until you have a working part to use in its place.

Yes, McCown did well this week. Brees would have done just as well. In fact, I believe McCown played as well as he is capable ... and he lost.

You know the old saying, "beware of what you wish for, you just may get it." Personally I not wanting to go through another 30 year stretch of mediocre to poor QB's that have no shot of breaking .500 in any given season. No thank you.

Then why the hell did we draft Grayson?

Danno 09-28-2015 06:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 671704)
Then why the hell did we draft Grayson?

My opinion is that he'll be an above average QB, in about 2 or 3 years, when Drew Brees starts his father time decline.

pherein 09-28-2015 06:36 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Trade for Colt McCoy from the redskins, basically a Brees clone that needs time, and have Brees work him in before retirement.
Like Im right about Spiller Im right about this kid. he would kick butt in our offense. No QB did well on the Browns.

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McCoy weighs in at 216 pounds according to the Browns' site.

Brees is 209 pounds according to the Saints' site.

Some of the doubters have said that McCoy may not be able to take a beating in the NFL, but at his current weight there is no reason that he cannot take a beating, especially if Brees, who weighs in a bit lighter, can take it.

Just another example of the doubters fishing for any excuse they can find.

McCoy is the winningest quarterback in the NCAA's history, and his stats are better than those of Brees when he was in college at Purdue. This could be a result of better players at Texas with McCoy, but the point is that both had good college careers, and Brees has been able to transition to the NFL successfully.

Brees's Purdue stats: 11,792 yards, 61-percent completion percentage, 90 touchdowns

McCoy's Texas stats: 13,253 yards, 70-percent completion percentage, 112 touchdowns

Both Brees and McCoy were Heisman Finalists two times each.

McCoy was a finalist in 2008 and 2009.

Brees was a finalist in 1999 and 2000.

Both McCoy and Brees won similar awards at the college level, including both the Maxwell Award for most outstanding college player and the Davey O'Brien Award for the nation's top quarterback.

Brees won the Maxwell in 2000 and the O'Brien in 1999.

McCoy won both the Maxwell and O'Brien in 2009.

Brees has been known for his high football intelligence, and McCoy has said to have a high football IQ as well.

Back in 2000 Brees, along with one other player (Kyle Vanden Bosch), was named to the National Scholar Athletes list in its second year of naming college athletes.

McCoy was named to the National Scholar Athlete list in 2009 alongside other notables like Tim Tebow and Eric Decker.

It is well-known (or should be by now) that McCoy has looked up to Brees and that Brees was one of his idols while he was growing up and playing at Texas.

Brees even reached out to McCoy while he was at Texas to give him advice, tips, and whatever else mentors give to their fans and pupils.

Brees is a class act, and since McCoy has followed Brees closely and has been a fan, his career could closely mirror that of Brees'.

This also is speculation, but the key to success in McCoy's case is not only the advice he has already received from Brees while in college, but also the fact that Holmgren has decades of quarterbacking knowledge to share with McCoy.


Boutte 09-28-2015 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 671698)
What was his excuse against Arizona?

If his receivers weren't dropping everything that hit their hands he wouldn't need one. Go back and watch that game. It was one of the worst performances by a group of WRs that you'll ever see.

pherein 09-28-2015 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 671713)
If his receivers weren't dropping everything that hit their hands he wouldn't need one. Go back and watch that game. It was one of the worst performances by a group of WRs that you'll ever see.

They drop them with Brees also, your right. WR coach is sucking

The Dude 09-28-2015 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 671488)
It really is getting old. This man has done nothing but played his heart our for us. Won us a Super Bowl! A Super Bowl! He is not done. He is HURT! Now I don't know what to say about 0-3 at the moment. But it is not on Brees.

Hope you guys have a good week!

Yea he played his heart out and got us a SB. I want another one, with or without Brees. Im not just going to go on hoping we keep him even when he cant play just as a thank you for a ring we got 7 years ago.

WillSaints81 09-28-2015 08:01 PM

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I see my post didn't go through regarding franchise QBs. But it has not been once every three years. Today franchise qbs are coming out more and more. You just have to be smart enough to know one that runs a lot isn't one unless it's Wilson. Cook this year, last year Mariotta(he went toe to toe with Luck), the year before Carr(the others was a partyboy, and a bunch of primarily running QBs including him), the year before was a joke year and we knew about that beforehand(no name draft), the year before was Luck and Wilson, the year before that was Newton(franchise for their team but he's not great) and Dalton, the year before were QBs from system offenses(Tebow, McCoy, Bradford). But QBs now are more prepared than ever.

pherein 09-28-2015 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 671729)
I see my post didn't go through regarding franchise QBs. But it has not been once every three years. Today franchise qbs are coming out more and more. You just have to be smart enough to know one that runs a lot isn't one unless it's Wilson. Cook this year, last year Mariotta(he went toe to toe with Luck), the year before Carr(the others was a partyboy, and a bunch of primarily running QBs including him), the year before was a joke year and we knew about that beforehand(no name draft), the year before was Luck and Wilson, the year before that was Newton(franchise for their team but he's not great) and Dalton, the year before were QBs from system offenses(Tebow, McCoy, Bradford). But QBs now are more prepared than ever.

I dont think so, teams are not willing to develop QB's anymore. Brees didnt do well 2-3 years in SD. Your not seening that anymore. They want an instant super star with bad coaches. Luck looks awful because of coaching, 49ers lost a SB switching to trendy kaepernick and dumping Alex Smith, a good pocket passer.
Its always Brady, Rogers, Brees, Manning, and etc..
All given a chance with good coaches.
Running QB's like Cam are ridiculous, they never amount to anything or last. Like RG3, they have no football intelligence or great passing, pocket presence. Look at Cam's #'s and passer rating , its laughable.
Coaches need to take guys that have pocket presence, very accurate, leadership, and high football intellegence like they did Rogers, and teach them the game.
McCoy is one that can be developed in the right system to be great, but probably never will be. because there are not that many good coaches anymore.
But, I am not seeing more and more elite QB's comming out, accually Im seeing less and more bust QB's, and the old dominate QB's hardly being challenged.
Unfornunaty the days of developing a Starbuck, Brady, Brees, Rogers, Bradshaw, and etc are comming to a close, because coaches want fast wins.
and the idiot running QB's are filling up most of college teams.
Pocket passer will always beat a running QB, that will never change.

Boutte 09-28-2015 10:14 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 671719)
Yea he played his heart out and got us a SB. I want another one, with or without Brees. Im not just going to go on hoping we keep him even when he cant play just as a thank you for a ring we got 7 years ago.

yeah, we'll do a lot better with our a HoF QB. We'll find another one, no problem. They're a dime a dozen these days.

NOLA54 09-28-2015 11:09 PM

Re: Please get off of Brees
 
Should Drew recover fully from this latest injury, he will be around for another 2-3 years with the Saints.

UK_WhoDat 09-30-2015 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 671756)
Should Drew recover fully from this latest injury, he will be around for another 2-3 years with the Saints.

He is going to have to be.

UK_WhoDat 09-30-2015 03:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 671619)
I'm appreciative for everything Drew has done for the Saints organization & the city of New Orleans.

In all honesty, I think we all are


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